SAVE THE INTERNET!

[W'Kar]

Ah. Censorship. It should be a four letter word. America's first amendment reads as follows:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Now sit down and read that sentence over and over again. Six or seven times. Go ahead, I'll wait.

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Done? Good.

Pity it's already happened, and continues to happen. Radio, Television, News, all the time and all across the states. Oh they hide it with further censorship, they do. The Federal Communications Commission, or FCC, has us Americans by the balls. Though they cannot dictate what can and cannot be seen by any indivdual they do have the right to heavily fine or even seek jailtime to any who do not abide by their 'Ethics' code. It's constant. I don't even have to post it here. Go and look around on any site and there are lists upon lists of these actions. Any who read this are avid viewers of Anime. That stuff is so censored it's barely recognizable in the states. There are even reports that the government is censoring scientists?!?!?! If your American, I'm sure you just stood out of your chair with eyebrows flared and collectively screamed a WTF!?!?! (WTF = What the ****?, censored for those adults and children who hear naughty words and fall down and cry)

But, AH! There is a light in America over the collective take-it-up-the-butt we've all been recieving so often. The Internet. Unregulated, unfiltered, and uncontrolled chaotic swarms of information and media. YouTube, BitTorrent, Google, Wikipedia are just examples. I can get on the net and talk to a man in Russia about the cold war. I can debate World War II atomic bombings in Japan with a Japanese man my age. I can freaking post anything about anyone or any ground I dang well please.

Well, that is slowly coming to an end. Already we are seeing the fines and penalties and threats posed against the aforementioned companies for their unsupervised distribution of information. Governments, big business, they are working to keep their pockets full and their swords aimly kept at our throats.

Here is an example:

Comcast is one of the largest companies providing Broadband internet service to the United States. They've been caught red-handed blocking loads of content from reaching their subscribers using technology from Canada created by Sandvine (http://www.sandvine.com) which allows them to change the packet flow of data depending on it's source and usage. AT&T is currently seeking to have the government allow them to charge certain companies like Google so that they can allow their datastreams to transfer faster. Those that do not pay these fees will have their datastreams slowed, even shut down completely.

Goodbye Information Superhighway, hello Fee-controlled interstate roads and dirt paths for the poor.

You know what I believe. America had it right. We had it perfect. Anyone can say anything so as long as it does not interfere with the rights of others.

Here is the problem, we have a right to free speech. Suddenly people believe they have a right to 'Stop speech they do not like'.

Here is where alot of people will either love or hate me. I support the right for hate groups to speak their messages. I support the right to curse, swear and yell in front of people. I support heresies and blasphemies against governments and churches of all kinds. I want people to speak their racism, heresies, and any other ignorant spews they want to say. As Voltaire once said, 'I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it'.

Yes, hate speech, cursing and other such things are rude and obscene. No, personally I do not want to hear that crap. I do not believe people have a right to shout this things in public while walking down the street. I believe they DO have the right to print flyers and books voicing their opinions and have open talk of it in front of people. Wrong as I believe they are, I truly do believe they have the right to have and speak of their opinions.

At the same time, I have the right not to have to listen to it. Like everyone else I can just turn it off or walk away.

That is the glory of the internet. Though television, radio, news and all sorts of other media outlets have been censored and made 'Safe' for American public consumption, the internet still has not. I'm forced to wear a condom everytime I turn on the TV. Personally I like unprotected sex with my Internet, how about you?

I may one day have the feeling that I need to post nude pictures of myself covered in banana pudding getting slapped with a flyswatter on the butt. Would I do that, No, but I have the right to! I have the ability to! And as god is my witness the day may come that I want to and I'll be damned if I'm going to sit idly by and watch as my ability to do so is taken away from me!

They say 'Censorship is for children!' I say 'Screw the children!' Fact is by the time we're done debating this the Children will be in high school and quite aware of anything we sick bastards of this generation have come up with. Not to mention they will be lobbying to add some of their own new and ingenius naughty things to add to that list of obscenity. If parents do not want their kids watching things, don't let them. If they act up because of something their saw on TV, stop them. If they are violent or acting rude, Slap the crap out of them. Your raising children that will become adults, not children who remain children forever.

Anyway, I've voiced my prodigious and loud opinons in spite of censored speech and feel like eating a McDonalds hamburger.... oh wait..... they're outlawing food soon. Well, up the butt once more America. Thank you!

Here are some links for ya'll to see

http://www.savetheinternet.com

http://www.freepress.net/docs/comcast_b ... tsheet.pdf

http://www.sandvine.com

http://www.freepress.net/news/28309

[Spartan Warlord]

preech ma brotha...i can feeel ya...bless the uncensored lord!!...

[Aranor]

Not to add fuel to your fire, but...here some fuel for your fire.

The other day playing an online game I tried to use the word Dork. Wasn't using it aggresively either. The program said it was unsuitable language............

Saw this on Yahoo home page the other day. This is rediculous.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/magaz ... ium-t.html

Instead let your kids drink government approved genetically altered milk and foods so they grow fully mature bodies at twelve. But that's ok.........

If you want crue muppets check out "Greg the Bunny show"....Hilarious.

And any of you catch this thing with Dog the bounty hunter? If you listen to the video he says they use the N word down there, and to risk having N said with a black woman around and have her run to the producers saying they're calling me N is something He was not going to risk. He didn't actually call her it. This world blows up at the smallest things.

Back to the internet, I say if these companies are trying to do this, seek alternative methods of internet access.

W'kar, if you do ever have those urges. Could you please inform us as to where they are so we don't come across them by mistake?

[W'Kar]

Fan freaking-tastic. Sesame Street is not suitable for children. Read that over and over again so that we can truly get a grip around the level of stupid that had just entered out memories, tainting our very minds with ignorance. Sesame Street is too dangerous for the modern child.

Either I was one rambo of a kid with the rest of my generation, or people are treating children like glorified pansies.

However, the evil's of sesame street do seem to overshadow the current wave of gansta's and ho's we currently have for children to watch.

Let me demonstrate.

Bratz- Aside from the fact they dress, act, and talk like dumb floozies we should understand that these prostitutes in training are being peddled to young girls between the ages of 4-8, and even older for collectors. Mini-skirts, fishnet clothing, halloween level eye and lip makeup. Yes, yes! THAT IS HOW I WANT MY FUTURE 5 YEAR OLD TO IDOLIZE! We are talking a multi million dollar (possibly billion, I have not seen the exact figures) product line that is showing that gold-digging, early sexualization, and stupidity is good, and children eat it up. Kids don't see them as such, frankly as far as most girls think they're just pretty. But they want to be attractive, as every human being does, and will mimic that which they find attractive. Which means they'll end up idolizing and mimicing scantly dressed gold diggers for the better part of their childhood and possibly even further.

However we dig deeper and find that Bratz not only sells sex to pre-teens, but encourages overseas factory workers to produce these little monsters for .17 cents per doll. 3 dolls an hour. I don't have to go into it so much, suffice to say it is all here for perusal:

http://www.nlcnet.org/admin/media/docum ... Report.pdf

Poor working conditions, crappy pay, abusive contracts, it's sick and scary.

Check out more of nlcnet.org, it's got a very interesting report on my favorite company, Gap. Ooh, forcing factory workers to get abortions, sexual abuse of younger workers male and female, pay equating in the pennies, and why are these things allowed to continue? Why? In the interests of free trade. We buy the goods, but do not questions where they come from.

So, read these articles, peruse their knowledge. And then tell me let me know why you buy from companies and product lines that support these things. It's not like your really saving money. Cost of production and shipping on a single bratz doll in this situation is like $3.10, but we are paying 15-20, sometimes even 30 dollars a piece for them.

Or explain to your 15 year old daughter that the GAP jeans she wears are being made by a 15 year old girl her age that is under her third forced abortion from being sexually assaulted after her 15 hour shift.

Yeah, Sesame Street over shadows this evil by a longslide.

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Yeah, Dog the Bounty Hunter didn't deserve it. Yeah he probably is a jerk, but that doesn't mean he needs to be publically villified.

Dork is not a curse! Else our advanced board filters would have caught that

And indeed, should I ever feel the need to behave in such a manner I will be sure to inform you all where not to go and see it.

[Aranor]

I had no intentions of trying to overshadow. Just pointing out a whole lotta stupit in this world. Another prime example is freewebs.com signed up hoping to connect with other writers only to find have of them are fifteen year olds telling you how they like to orgasm...... (I closed my account after that) Where the internet filtering there? Might be ran by Gap.....

he reason American made products are so high priced is because we pay people to come to work and not do their jobs. I see so much of it at work it drives me nuts. My manager sits in his office nearly a hundred yars away from our work area spending all day talking about hunting and sports games...(caught him many times) I try to about certain concerns and get directed to our lead whom in my opinion manages the dept. I go to the head of our Fab and speak about management concerns and he tells me to tell my manager about it....... Ok. There is $150,000.00 a year I could be saving the company. And then they complain because Intersil and some other folks are doing the same stuff for 1/3 less cost. Hmm, how much waste is in their walls.

America in general has grown lazy and it is this laziness that is forcing us to neglect the things that truly need to be fixed. I seem to recall a while back when Cathy Lee Gifford was in trouble for having a sweat shop making her products that a new law was to b put in place that would not allow importing of products from countries using such practices. Where is that law now? And who administrates it? Some guy sitting in an office not doing his job.

Now something to realy piss people off.

A famiy I know through aquaintances, husbad wife and daughter. I recently heard the daughter got pregnant at 16 and had the baby with the boyfriend taking no responibilities. At 18 months the baby found a percaset left over from the wife (Not prescribed and usually ingested through the nose...) swallowed the pill, vomited throughout the night and died. No charges have yet to be pressed. This was four months ago..... So first that 16, now 18 year old s growing up knowing it is ok to have drugs in the house. Ok to have unprtected sex whenever. Ok to be a single mom. If your baby dies don't worry about it.

Now, how many people opened a new window and went to freewebs?

[xtro guyver]

the hell seasmi street not suitable for children, are we trying to raise our kids like Ned Flanders these days or somthing cause you can't put children in a bubble all there lives, they have to grow up somtime. Reminds me of a story I read about of a boy who asked his parrents to buy him vol 1 of evanglion cause he thought the cover was cool, of course the problem was they were heavy christans, and after watching it the boy tried to kill him self

as for compaines trying to edit the internet to make it safe for us all they will do is make people come up with ways round there system, I really do wish the people in charge of the world would stop with the belfie that their way of thinking is right and no one else can think any differently

[Thunder Demon1472669266]

Hey, I believe that the government is censoring scientists. I heard that a group was doing a study, and I forget what it was about, but the results came back and the results stated the exact opposite of what they wanted and expected.

They say 'Censorship is for children!' I say 'Screw the children!' Fact is by the time we're done debating this the Children will be in high school and quite aware of anything we sick bastards of this generation have come up with. Not to mention they will be lobbying to add some of their own new and ingenius naughty things to add to that list of obscenity. If parents do not want their kids watching things, don't let them. If they act up because of something their saw on TV, stop them. If they are violent or acting rude, Slap the crap out of them. Your raising children that will become adults, not children who remain children forever.

You are not getting arguments from me my friend. They say that it's the TV companies that produce shows are responsible for the violence that's a result. That's like saying that the storm is responsible for the 500 deaths that comes from the flooding. That may be true, to a degree, but there are things in place in regards to safety in that instance. Here, inaddition to doing what you mentioned, parents can watch it with them once, and explain what makes it such a bad show to watch. Like some parents will find South Park offensive. I do, but I try not to watch a lot of violent TV. I know it's not real, and I know that in SP's case, it's a cartoon, but I still won't because violence sometimes scares the crap out of me. I hear about it on the radio, on the TV, over the internet, all part of the news. That's real violence, but, to my mind, it still is violence. I don't condone it all the time. But, at the same time, I'm not going to call up their network, or calling up Congress to tell them to ban the show, because there are fans of South Park. I know a few myself. I do something else or leave if I don't want to watch it. Granted there are a few episodes I have seen, but in general those were the far less violent ones. The same idea for Family Guy, and the Simpsons. It's who I am. People can find other ways to avoid the shows with out resorting to censoring them, because of the censored content.

The whole hate speech thing is interesting. Yes, there are words that probably be used because they're offensive, yet, at the same time, the 'n' word was perfectly acceptable back in the 1800's. Hate speech is just that. Speech. They're words. It doesn't mean that they're going to put it into action necessarily, because that would negate their free right to assemble. There are limitations on the First Amendment that limit 'the right of the people peaceable to assemble'. By breaking any law, whether breaking and entering, assault and battery, destruction of property, public or private, that violates the First Amendment on the side of the assemblers. That is, in the stated cases, it would be perfectly legal, even under the first amendment to arrest, and try the whole group. There is legislation in place for hate crimes. The First Amendment isn't a stomping ground for a hate group. It doesn't give them free reign. Honestly, if they want to express themselves peaceable I have no problems, truly. It's when the words get placed into action that I have problems with hate groups. And the sad thing is, is that some of the hate groups (KKK, Neo-Nazi), have rather idiotic reasons to hate a particular group anyway. DOn't just give me words. Pretty words to me are white space when trying to convince me. Use numbers, proven facts, studies (actual studies done by the professionals), and scientific data to convince me. They can't do that. They can't convince me.

[Thunder Demon1472669266]

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Sorry about the double post. My computer's being stupid about the forum right now.