Alkanphel's Abilities

[Shenzon]

I have a question, how powerful was Alkanphel before he got the unit? I know his full power level is around 30x, but when he was having to constantly rest, where was his power level around? It was mentioned that he could easily defeat one Warrior Guyver, but two could possibly overwhelm him. I'd always figured him to be between 12x - 16x before being healed.

Also, now that he is healed, if the unit was removed would he still be at his full potential without the unit?

[Juggernought]

He would be at full power but having to always fight even more powerful beings with virtually limitless stamina he would have to use large attacks that would drain his energy, without the units basic ability to increase his durability and replenish his energy reserves he won't last too long.

Before the unit i think he was around the same power range of Dreadnought or just a bit stronger than him.

[Shenzon]

As powerful as Dreadnought? Even though he was damaged? I'd always thought he was alot less than that. When he captured Warrior Guyver in his powered down mode, he told Jason "You are no where near a match for me in that condition" as if he would be a threat if fully powered. It was also mentioned that two Warrior Units could take him out in his previous damaged form.

[Juggernought]

As a warrior guyver you have unlimited stamina....even with a being as powerful as alkanphel he doesnt have that advantage...Jason would have kept coming and coming and alkanphel would have grown weaker as he used more poweful attacks to kill him and unable to regenerate.

As Dreadnought the power gap closes as Dreadnought has more abilites and is able to summon much more power to counter alkanphels natural state.

[Shenzon]

So Alkanphel didn't really loose any power when he got damaged, just was unable function long periods without rest?

[Juggernought]

Whatever the creators did, weakened his power. His body and mind were in a constant struggle to try and fight its effects, that is why he is unable to function for long periods because concentrating on multiple things other than his condition weakened his concentration and accelerated the degenerative process. Without the unit, eventually he will die.

[*zeo]

Consequently it also effected his stamina, for example in the Manga when he piloted the Ark by himself. A task that would normally take all 12 Zoalords. And manuevered it to use it's 6 months of stored solar energy to revitalize Imakarum.

It took so much out of him that when Imakarum came to the Ark he found Alkanphel on the verge of collapse and barely got him back to Silha before he entered Hibernation.

So even with his full power he could not use it for very long before the strain got to him and he had to hibernate again.

We can be pretty sure of his power though since it was said that he could take on all 12 Zoalords and win and none of the ones the Gigantic has faced have been easy to fight.

Some like Khan seem to even rival the Gigantic in their full powered form.

So one can only imagine the power Alkanphel must still have despite his handicap.

And now in the fan fic we have removed that handicap.

[Aranor]

I'm just curious, if the creators gave Alkanphel their powers, how powerful could we guess a single creator is? I'm sure they would have left some means of overpowering him? Unless it was by shear numbers.

[Weltall2]

On their own the creators are weak as hell. However that is why they rely on the Kavzar in the fan fic. In the manga last I checked I haven't heard much if anything on the creators themselves. Takaya seems to be leaving a blank spot to be filled later.

[*zeo]

Physically, even with the Bio-Boost Armor they were no more powerful than a normal zoanoid. Being 1/10th the power of a human hosted unit.

Telepathically though they were the equals of Alkanphel.

As for overpowering Alkanphel, you have to remember despite that power he is still a zoaform and like any zoaniod he has the overwhelming urge to obey their commands.

It takes a strong act of will for him to overcome this.

The Creators though don't have that problem so can put their full effort into controlling Alkanphel.

[Aranor]

I know about their physical weakness. I guess my question should have been, is it possible they are many times more powerful energy manipulation wise than Alkanphel. I know he was their "Prime" creation but I have not heard if that was simply physical or both.

[Juggernought]

Think of him as being a child of the creators...blessed with their immense mental capability as well as endowed with strength and he was meant to rule all warriors under the creators. When they left him he even formed a 'collective' of minds similar to the creators by creating his 12 zoalords. So in a sense he is very much like them but can be controlled if they so desire.

[Shenzon]

I'm guessing through processing, he has prevented himself from being controlled by them again, should they return...

[Juggernought]

Sheer will power as Zeo1234 stated above. Main reason other zoalords and zoanoids were reprocessed is because they don't possess that ability to resist.

[Aranor]

Ok, let's say Alkanphel and a creator came one on one. Alkaphel summons a black hole to suck the creator to who knows where. Would the creator be able to over power him and close the black hole?

They did summon a big assed rock to destroy earth. We know now of how much energy or how many creators it took to summon it. Or is they used tools to do so.

[Juggernought]

Why would a creator fight when they have warriors easily multiple times their own strength who could take Alkanphel on? If the creators constantly bombard Alkanphel with pyschic attacks he may not be able to get an attack off. And i'd think the creators probably used something to redirect that moon sized asteroid, why waste personal energy?

[Aranor]

For the sake of story wise. Are the creators weakiling in both physical strength and mental abilitis thus they created something extremely powerful knowing they could control it until the guyver effect took place or are they themselves strong mentally and just don't want to fight thus they created powers similar to theirs only not as strong so their creations could be controlled? Either means could have two very different outcomes.

For all we know under their armor they could look like Flan's (Final Fantasy) with the mental ability to make earth ripple like tidle waves.

[Juggernought]

No the creators have immense mental capabilites, they have even evolved to the point where they no longer have physcial bodies naturally, the bio-booster armor was created in order to give them physical form again. Their physical power is limited, they wanted more power because of what they saw the armor did on a human. Such power could defeat them, so they wanted to protect themselves. The only reason the kavzar project was started was because the human/zoanoid project proved to be to uncertain and unstable and ultimately uncontrollable.

[Aranor]

That is what I am trying to get at. But are Alkenphals mental abilities equal to a single creators?

[guyverfanatic]

That is what I am trying to get at. But are Alkenphals mental abilities equal to a single creators?

No, they are not.

[*zeo]

I know about their physical weakness. I guess my question should have been, is it possible they are many times more powerful energy manipulation wise than Alkanphel. I know he was their "Prime" creation but I have not heard if that was simply physical or both.

Alkanphel was only given their mental power, and as far as we know this only applied to their ability to control other beings with their mind.

So as far as that goes he was their equal but being a Zoalord he has many other abilities they did not have.

After all he was created to be their ultimate weapon and head general of their army of zoanoids. Even the Zoalords they planned to create after him would not be his equal.

So Alkanphel was right on the edge of their comfort zone, since he was powerful enough to resist their commands, being an equal mentally.

But like all zoaforms he still had a strong urge to obey them and only with a strong act of will could he overcome those commands.

However the reason he's hibernating more and more could mean he's losing that mental battle with the Creators last command to him in which they paralyzed him.

[Frost]

If he allowed himself to be processed would that help to remove that command?

[Juggernought]

I don't think so, the command had already been given a millenia ago and its effects are already having drastic results on him. The solom type 1 warrior unit is healing him and is removing what damage it caused.

[Frost]

Yes..but if he had himself processed he would not have to spend precious energy to override that command granted that unit is healing him but would it not be best to get rid of it?

[Juggernought]

He is designed to obey creator commands, it's part of who he is so i don't think he'd be able to remove it completely just dull its effects to the point where it is not a factor. Like having a mosquito constantly buzzing in your ear and you can't swat it away to get rid of it.