Acear Bonding

[Shenzon]

What happens to the human body under Acear units since they are not bonded to their hosts? Are organs recessed? Or are they literally just wearing armor?

[Sully]

What happens to the human body under Acear units since they are not bonded to their hosts? Are organs recessed? Or are they literally just wearing armor?

They are just wearing armour for the most part but there is some bonding has the unit does heal light damage to the host to the point where it would regenerate a limb if given time but if you suffer a fatal injury you're dead.

The Aceaer unit itself gives all the fighting ability you read about. Which is why if it Alkanphel used it (pre-getting a prototype unit with a HSL) it would only give him some extra powers that come with the Aceaer (e.g. rail gun) but it would have the same effect that it would have on a human. Main reason Alkanphel would use one is because it would increase regeneration, that’s about it.

The only time an Aceaer is boosted in anyway is if it is linked to a WG / other HSL type units. Even then it's not a huge boost. So for example it would only give Dreadnought a marginal power increase and would not be much us to him while to WG2 it would be a 25% increase. The weapons from the Aceaer itself though wouldn’t be affected too much even then though. Main bonus to WG2 for using one is that it increases his power intake for using abilities he already has from been a WG.

[Shenzon]

Ahhh...ok, so for a human, their just wearing armor, their bodies aren't changed underneath like a Guyver unit. Would an Acear Human still need to eat?

What about the Giant Guyver unit that Warrior Guyver C later took to use an add-on? Is the host boosted as well? I'd always assumed so because of the size of the unit.

[*zeo]

Do they have to eat?. . . Eventually but the regenerative quality of the Aceaer can keep the user going for a long time.

The Giant Unit is still just an Aceaer, though it has some special modifications that let's it work with a Warrior Unit better than normal.

It was its huge size that gave it its high power level.

Just think of it as the Hulk Buster of Aceaer Unit's

[Shenzon]

Would the Giant Acear unit generate its hosts if only the control medal survived?

When the hosts merged with the Giant Acear unit, would it have been painful for him like a normal merger, or would it have been like a normal acear merger?

[*zeo]

Essentially think of Aceaer Unit's like biological exo-armors.

Aside from the biological factor they aren't that different from say Ironman.

So no pain, they just go onto the user.

But without bonding not even the Giant Unit would be able to regenerate the host if the host died.

[Shenzon]

Ahhh....I see. But if it doesn't bond, how could it increase the size of the host body to that of 16 feet when activated? I thought that kind of change to the host's body required bonding?

Another question, could Dreadnought activate the Giant Unit on himself and if so, what kind of increase would it give him? (Not that he would, just wondering)

[W'Kar]

You also have to remember, when the crew made alot of the stuff we had about 10% of the knowledge about the guyver that we do now. Leeway is needed

[Shenzon]

Ahhh...okay, I forgot about that.

[*zeo]

The host is not altered with the Giant Unit, it's just a big Aceaer Unit that goes on the host.

Really no different from say an advance Mecha type armor.

Rather the Giant Unit itself alters itself to the person using it.

Really Aceaer Unit's are basically shapeshifting unit's that configure themselves as power armors for the user.

The only thing it does to the host is provide life support, including enhanced regeneration, and a neuro link to control the Aceaer with.

As an Aceaer though the Giant Unit provides a set power increase to the user, but it was designed to work with Warrior Units to a degree, which is why it gained some additional abilities when it linked with WGC.

Basically the CM ring allowed it to support a more complex form with higher than normal Aceaer Power levels.

But it doesn't really have a CM like a Guyver does, it's just an augmentation.

So the power increase percentage was similar to a normal Aceaer and Warrior pairing.

But since the Giant Aceaer is more powerful the resulting combined form resulted in Ultimus.

For Dreadnought it would provide the same increase in power but Jason could always potentially use the Matrix to enhance it further if he wanted.

But Dreadnought is extremely powerful so there is the chance he could overload the Giant Unit and destroy it accidently.

It would be like if Superman put on a power armor, even though it can add its power to his if he uses too much of his own power he could just tear through the armor like it was tissue paper.

So remember, Aceaer Units may be useful but they have their limits as well. They were never intended to replace actual Units and even among the Kavzar it is only a stepping stone in their development as they are trained to become Kavzar.

Incidently the Kavzar are those who perminently bonded with their Aceaer Units and had been given control crystals. Only then does the Aceaer Bond.

[McAvoy]

The Giant unit is too small to be like a Mecha, or too big to be used like a exo suit. For example, Warrior Guyver C's arm and leg joints would have to pulled out of their sockets in order to match up with the joints of the Giant unit.

Dreadnought probably would burn out the armor, but he would be a 31x Guyver until then, and very massive and heavy.

[*zeo]

McAvoy, Mecha armor aren't directly linked to the pilot's body.

The pilot doesn't have to directly control the limbs.

It's either linked to controls or the pilot's nervous system or just their mind.

You know like Robotech, Gundam, etc.

And Mecha category starts at around 15 feet tall. So the Giant Unit qualifies.

[McAvoy]

What I meant the Giant unit is too small. Many Mechas are big enough for the pilots to be inside the the chest cavity, either standing up or sitting down in some sort of ejection seat.

The Giant unit is just too small for someone to be side the abdomen, without the Giant unit being bigger itself, or the Giant unit acts like a Gigantic unit. The only way I see Warrior Guyver C fitting into the Giant unit is:

1. The Giant unit expands, or gets bigger to fit Warrior Guyver C inside.

2. Warrior Guyver C basically is inside with arms down to his side and his legs are brought up to his chest. The legs would get in the way of the hip movement, and the shoulders of the Warrior Guyver C are not as wide as the Giant untis.

[Shenzon]

What I meant the Giant unit is too small. Many Mechas are big enough for the pilots to be inside the the chest cavity, either standing up or sitting down in some sort of ejection seat.

The Giant unit is just too small for someone to be side the abdomen, without the Giant unit being bigger itself, or the Giant unit acts like a Gigantic unit. The only way I see Warrior Guyver C fitting into the Giant unit is:

1. The Giant unit expands, or gets bigger to fit Warrior Guyver C inside.

2. Warrior Guyver C basically is inside with arms down to his side and his legs are brought up to his chest. The legs would get in the way of the hip movement, and the shoulders of the Warrior Guyver C are not as wide as the Giant untis.

That was what I was wondering. The hosts body would have to be altered to fit and function within the body of the Giant Acear unit. Which means it must bond to the hosts on some level. I doubt if you blew a chunk of the ribcage off, you would see the hosts looking back at you. So it must bond to the host and then boost the body to some level. Same with WGC, his body and WG unit, must boost like a normal Gigantic Unit.

[McAvoy]

I don't think it bonds like a Gigantic. But I do think that this Aceaer type should bond more closely than your run of the mill Aceaer

[*zeo]

Uh, McAvoy, 15 feet means the torso is already nearly as high as the person inside.

I think you're assuming the pilot has to be center mass.

But remember the unit doesn't bond to the host so the host still has to be near the audio/visual sensors of the head for optimum efficiency.

So the head is the starting point.

From the head to the legs there is about 7 feet of space. So unless the pilot is a basketball player they can fit in there.

Besides which the Aceaer is as I said a shape shifting armor so a larger pilot will of course cause the Giant to adapt and get bigger as well.

And with a neuro link they don't have to move so that's more than enough space.

On a normal human the Giant Unit is 15 feet tall.

On WGC Ultimus is 16.4 feet tall.

WGC is 7 feet tall after all, which is about a foot taller than the average person. So the Giant adapted accordingly.

[Shenzon]

True Zeo1234, but we're talking about what happens to form of the human inside. They would have to be boosted some how to be able to operate the giant unit. Their body must be boosted to the size of the unit for it to operate correctly. How else could the unit function.

[McAvoy]

I agree. I mean the host unit's limbs are the issue. I know that the mass of the body is big enough to fit even a 7 foot Warrior Guyver. using the head as a starting point, I got 8.5 feet going down to the crotch.

But the problems I see is weapons like the mega smasher or the two gravity orbs on the chest. Those weapons are from the Warrior Guyver C, since the Human hosted Giant Guyver does not have the two extra orbs. Also, the hyper smasher cells do not match up with the host units, and even if they are of the Giant's. The host unit would get in the way of them when fired.

[*zeo]

True Zeo1234, but we're talking about what happens to form of the human inside. They would have to be boosted some how to be able to operate the giant unit. Their body must be boosted to the size of the unit for it to operate correctly. How else could the unit function.

Please don't take this the wrong way but...

What part of shape shifting armor do you guys not understand?

A human pilot doesn't have to do anything.

The Giant Unit is not a Gigantic!!!

In fact it's over 50% bigger than a Gigantic. Even Dreadnought only comes up to 12 feet tall, with the regular Gigantic coming out to under 10.

The Giant Unit is 15 feet tall minimum and with WGC grew to 16.4 feet tall.

It's huge!!!

And the Mega Smashers can be channeled McAvoy, Neo-Zektole proved that when he shielded himself from the smashers using an EM field. Even Aptom used that trick using an electrical arc to redirect smashers beams around himself.

And the Giant unit was made to work with Warrior Units. So works better with them than normal Aceaers do.

For example the Shoulder pod weapons shows the unit was designed with special equipment that only activated when linked to a Warrior Unit.

Similarly there are other systems that allow the Giant to work with the Warrior Unit without getting in the way.

[McAvoy]

Shapeshifting is nice and dandy, but think about it. Those two gravity orbs do not match up with the Warrior Guyver C, they had to be lifted off of his unit.

[Takara]

Shapeshifting is nice and dandy, but think about it. Those two gravity orbs do not match up with the Warrior Guyver C, they had to be lifted off of his unit.

No they don't. When the Gigaceaer is forming over WGC, it merely has to shape-shift itself in order to take on a form relevant to his own WG Unit. Thus it could generate it's own Gravity Orbs and related systems, with WGC only having to instruct the armor to move via the neural link.

And if WGC would just be within the Gigaceaer's torso, wouldn't that cut some torso mobility? Unless his legs could be bent the wrong way, then Ultimus shouldn't be able to bend forward or maybe even backwards. Even his ability to lean his upper body to the side would be limited, wouldn't it?

[*zeo]

Nice to see you on this board Takara

But yes, you are correct about how the Giant shape shifting works.

As for the Torso, the shapeshifting allows leaway.

Also if you note, we really only bend at the point of our stomach area, our torso isn't that flexible.

Our ribcage is pretty set after all and the shoulders are further out.

So WGC's body's hips would allow him to bend since they would be near were the chest and stomach area meet.

Really, he doesn't have to move any more than our internal organs need to. And for the most part the Giant unit can just flow around him.

And like stated before the Giant has special components that were specifically designed to work with WG's.

[Shenzon]

So Zeo1234, your saying that the hosts are just simply within the torso and head, and not boosted to match the size of the Giant Unit?

It was mentioned before that the Gigantic unit when merged with Sho, would at first come out the cocoon the size of a normal unit as it wrapped itself around Guyver one or three, then boost to its normal size. (I'm guessing boosting the hosts as well). And its obvious its able to adapt to the hosts physical uniqueness as with Guyver one, it has his one blade. With Guyver 3, it has his three blades and horns along the head area. Now its obvious the Giant Unit adapts itself as well to its host physical uniqueness. Having WGC two forward blades and single eye piece(or eye unit) as well as adopting some of his color.

We are only asking because when you think about all this, you can't help but think of it as a Gigantic unit as it almost seems to do some of the same things. I guess the only person who can really answer all this, would be the one who came up with the idea of having the Giant Unit within the story. I'm guessing that would be Matt B or Sully. Again Zeo1234, not to say your wrong because your probably right. You seem to have a better understanding of the units more than mosts. You've answered alot of my questions on different posts. We are all just looking at this from different points and just trying to meet in the middle on it to better understand it. Me myself, I'm asking because I'm starting my own fanfic and want a better understanding of how the units work.

[Shenzon]

Shapeshifting is nice and dandy, but think about it. Those two gravity orbs do not match up with the Warrior Guyver C, they had to be lifted off of his unit.

No they don't. When the Gigaceaer is forming over WGC, it merely has to shape-shift itself in order to take on a form relevant to his own WG Unit. Thus it could generate it's own Gravity Orbs and related systems, with WGC only having to instruct the armor to move via the neural link.

And if WGC would just be within the Gigaceaer's torso, wouldn't that cut some torso mobility? Unless his legs could be bent the wrong way, then Ultimus shouldn't be able to bend forward or maybe even backwards. Even his ability to lean his upper body to the side would be limited, wouldn't it?

I see what your saying Takara. I didn't think of it that way. I've always assumed the two units would merge upon activation, and the end result would be what we see in the end, Ultimus. While we are on this subject, is that how the Gigantic units work as well? Or do they actually merge with the hosts unit to form the end result?

Sorry about the double posts

[W'Kar]

They merge, Shenzon. Completely and totally. Ya might as well have a 12 foot guy standing next to you. Well, short of organs and such.