The Guyver Technology

[*zeo]

Here's an open ended topic in which anyone can voice their opinion on how they think Creator tech works or ask questions about it, such as how does the Gigantic produce the Power Punch, etc?

[Destroyer Guyver]

I have a question about the Guyvers defence mode is it a reactive system that only attacks if it feels threatend or does it attack everything within a certain radius(i can see alot of dead pets with this one ).

If its the former would it attack someone if they had enough power to hurt it or only if they attacked.

[Armageddon]

I have a question about the Guyvers defence mode is it a reactive system that only attacks if it feels threatend or does it attack everything within a certain radius(i can see alot of dead pets with this one ).

If its the former would it attack someone if they had enough power to hurt it or only if they attacked.

I think I can answer that for you. The unit Sho has, for example, if you've seen the original 12 ep anime, shows Tetsuro backing backing back from the newly formed Guyver 1 and was thus no threat, while the zoanoids were hostile and got fragged.

There could be many people or animals around but as long as they don't make any threatening movements, they'll live to see another day.

[largo]

Armageddon that's exactly right also for instance when Black Nova gets upgraded by FWG while the prosses is taking place she just sits on a rock and is not harmed. While a biotitan attacked her and got obliterated so I have to agree with Armageddon in that the unit only attacks those who make any threatning movements.

[*zeo]

Well Black Nova is a fan fiction example and is not cannon but yes, it seems that the Guyver will only attack if threatened.

Though in the original OAV series G1 did attack G3 before G3 had the chance to do anything so the self defense mode may have a level of tolerance depending on how dangerous something is.

So if something is powerful enough to harm it then it may not take any chances. But G3 may have been a special case since it may have saw him as competition or sensed aggression from him since G3 was already fighting his way through Chronos.

Since G1 did not attack Murikami later on we can leave that open to interpretation.

Kinda like Predator, if you're harmless (Pregnant or Dying) then it'll let you go but if you attack then it doesn't matter it'll kill you automatically. Like Bishop in Aliens vs Predator, it saw that he was already dying so let him go but then he attacked it and then it killed him.

[Destroyer Guyver]

Thanks for the replys people

Though in the original OAV series G1 did attack G3 before G3 had the chance to do anything so the self defense mode may have a level of tolerance depending on how dangerous something is.

It was this bit that got me thinking if the defence mode would only protect itself if threatend or attack anything that could harm it but as you say Zeo it could be that the defence mode classified G3 as a threat because he was powerful enough to harm it.

[McAvoy]

I agree unless provoked, the unit will do nothing. But I think Guyver 3 was an exception in the fact that perhaps the link between units may have given off some agression towards Guyver 1. Just my theory as least.

[*zeo]

It's a valid theory. . .

Though for all we know G3 could simply have been in his way since G1 was already tearing a path through the building.

Maybe like the new anime suggests the unit was following some primitive instinct of the host?

After all in the new anime G1 did find his way to Tetsuro's cell before awakening.

[Juggernought]

Correct me if i'm wrong on this...but the guyver organism is simply a parasite, and in its original state the potential to be symbiotic with a host. I think that because it usually just ate every living thing that it came into contact with it gave off a huge amount of energy and it could survive in basically any environment and adapt to it, which would have attracted the attention of the Creators. So in a way i guess you could say the defense theory probably is due to both the organism and host reacting to a threat....whereas the organism may attack anything, being bonded to a human host (or otherwise) would give it some level of "intelligence" so that basic instinct would be more refined by the host mind.

My idea on the control medal tech.. i think that it is basically a link by which the host and the organisms both benefit from the joining. The organisms is kept alive and strong because it feeds of the bio-energy and the host draws power from it. The control medal can be seen as a conduit to regulate this power and how much energy is transfered. Altho it is way more sophisticated than that. I also think that the host acts as an extension of the guyver organism.....

As mentioned before, the extent of threat from the parasite is any living thing being devoured..having a host and mixed with the nature of humans, gave it some increased level of sentient and gave it the power to "evolve" in a way that it has the ability to now attack.

And how the gigantic produces its power punch attack....somehow i dont think those huge orbs on its shoulder pods are just there to look cool. They probably serve a significant purpose in being some kind of catalyst for that kind of attack. Much like how the Eliminator's 2 large shoulder control medals perform, but of course that is from the fan fic. But perhaps because the gigantic armour is simply a mutation of the regular escape pod of the relic, i think that the power punch may be a more direct and refined defense mechanism. Here's my line of thought...in a regular instance the pod would eject with the pilot, i dont think it would want to be totally defenseless whilst escaping from some threat. But because of the nature of humans once again, causing it to mutate, this defensive attack could have been warped into the form of an offensive attack.

Phew. thats all i'm gonna say for now

[*zeo]

Well officially we don't really know that much about the Guyver organism aside from the fact the Creators discovered it before coming to Earth and that they use it for the control units (Guyver is only when used on a human) that served as their standard equipment space armor.

Everything else we know is derived from observations from the Manga which is of course open to interpretation.

But personally I think the Guyver organism is a little more than just a parasite. It assimulates the properties of its host/victim. Essentially absorbing them and becoming a hybrid lifeform. Allowing the organism to essentially become the host to a limited degree.

This allows the organism to adapt to any environment by simply assimulating the lifeforms already adapted to that environment.

The organism also appears to have the ability to alter its mass, which is why I think the clone monster of Sho was called the Bio-Boosted Clone monster. Essentially it seems the organism can naturally tap the boost dimension for energy to alter its mass.

The organism still needs to feed off a host though as the energy is only applicable to altering mass.

Incidently I think this is also how zoaforms work, perhaps the creators took that property from the organism and applied it to their zoaform processing. Allowing zoaforms to alter their mass when they transform and thus explaining how a human can turn into a T-Rex, etc.

But this power is seperate from the normal biological functions of the body so zoaforms still need to eat. Normally this is enough to sustain them but for some like the Libertus who have hyper metabolisms they need to be put into Bio-Tubes and infused with neutrients in order to recover after a transformation/battle.

The Guyver however has a workaround for this. Basically the translations say the Gravity Control Orb syphons energy from the boost dimension and infuses it into the host continuously.

This provides a trickle charge that constantly tops out the Guyver's power reserve. Though it does not provide as much energy as a Bio-Boost which can only be taped during activation apparently. It does allow the Guyver to have extended stamina provided it does not over use its more powerful weapons like the Mega Smasher, which require time between use.

Since the organism can naturally Bio-Boost this could explain how the unit can regenerate from just the CM in a matter of minutes though it has been estimated the regeneration occured about 11 hours after the CM had been ripped out.

As to the self defense mode, it appears to be the CM primarily that handles this. In the new anime it was also shown the CM accesses the host brain before taking action. Even when the host is unconscious, allowing the unit to protect his friends. Like when the unit vaporized a bullet with the head beam that would have hit Tetsuro in the new anime.

Only when the Sho was brain dead did the unit ever attack someone he cared about.

Whether the CM reacts to the instincts of the organism is still a possibility but not that likely considering the tight control the CM maintains over the organism.

[*zeo]

Well no one has posted any more questions in awhile so here's one.

What do you guys think Sho is up to in the latest issue of the Manga.

He's fighting a Godzilla sized Zoalord btw.

So what could Sho be planning to do that would cause the Gigantic Power Amps to all glow and start expanding like balloons?

[Juggernought]

Either all that power is going to be transferred into the hyper smashers for a god-almighty attack or he has discovered an unknown weapon or a different way of utilizing all that energy

[Destroyer Guyver]

Either all that power is going to be transferred into the hyper smashers for a god-almighty attack or he has discovered an unknown weapon or a different way of utilizing all that energy

I dont think its for the Hyper-Smashers from the little ive seen of this fight (random images on different sites) there are people around which means Sho wont be using them.

I think that he could be charging up for some type of "Super Power Punch" as this would be "safer" for the people that are still around but not for Sho because he has to get near Khan to hit him with it .

[largo]

All I know is that it will be god powerful.

[*zeo]

It could be a new weapon, which seems to be the consensus on most of the fan sites.

But the possibilities I can think of, barring a new type of weapon, is. . .

1) A Super Giga Smash, Khan is on top of a skyscrapper so in a good position for this weapon without endangering the city below.

2) A Super Pressure Cannon. We know the Gigantic is capable of producing Pressure Cannons powerful enough to take down Skyscrappers already. Also recent translations show the pressure cannon is based off a black hole effect so would be very effective.

3) The Gigantic could be trying to mimic the Zoalord Black Hole attack in which case the power amps will rip off and form an artificial black hole to suck up Khan but that would be very dangerous to the city, not to mention the planet so probably not likely.

But it does show one thing that Sho can do with the Gigantic that Agito never could and that is raise its power level.

When Agito stole the Gigantic to knock down the Cloud gate building the reason he used the pressure cannon instead of the Smashers was because Sho had already used up most of the Gigantic's energy reserves and there was only enough left for the Pressure Cannon.

Sho just stole the Gigantic back from Agito so presumeably its energy reserves should be low but if he's building up for a major attack then he's doing something Agito couldn't have done with the Gigantic.

Interesting, no?

[Juggernought]

The gigantic was "designed" for sho's unit as well (by this i mean it was formed in order to best protect him from death)....he spent a year in a cocoon before awakening, there's no telling what other hidden techniques it has.

[Tyranthrax]

Man, this place has really friggen died.. Two, very small updates, in almost a year? Anyways, I'll give my thoughts on the questions posed.

The Power Punch has said to be power drawn from the shield and released into a directed burst. I've noticed the Gigantic's knuckles glow when preparing to use it, so mayhaps it's somewhat like a Zoalord's Gravity Bullet attack, but instead of smaller bullet-like blasts, it's one large eruption. A Gravity Canon rather than Bullet.

For the self-defense mode, both of the Guyvers had been fighting through the building, as zeo1234 had stated. Guyver III was already in a battle state-of-mind, and releasing a feel of aggression, I'm guessing Guyver I sensed this and seeing no other opponents felt such aggression aimed at itself. Determining him a threat, it attacked.

As for what Sho's preparing to do that's causing the Power Amplifiers to expand as they have: no clue, really. Maybe he's going to like, turn himself into a giant, vibrational Guyver or something and fly inside Khan, making his body just shake apart? >_>;

[*zeo]

Actually according to the translation the Power Punch is called the "Gravity Knuckles"

Basically the knuckles are the same power amp crystals as you see over the rest of the body.

Gravitational Energy is channeled from the three Gravity Control Orbs, amplified by the Power Amp crystals 20x and then is channeled to boost the Gigantic's abilities.

Essentially this is a suped up version of the standard Guyvers kinetic momentum enhancers which also operate by channeling the gravitational energy. Which boosts the Guyver's momentum by up to 10x.

The Gigantic is just far more powerful so is like getting hit by a cannon (a really big one). Most targets just get obliterated and only super tough armored characters like Neo-Zektole can even stay in one peice from a direct hit.

All that kinetic energy is also why even without a direct hit anything in the path of punch is effected like they were hit by an explosive shockwave.

The blow is even capable of penetrating blast doors and causing a shockwave powerful enough to even kill any surrounding zoanoids.

For the self defense mode, it was shown in the new anime series that the CM taps the host mind when ever possible, so even when unconscious the unit would respond when ever the host does not.

However if the host brain is damaged then the CM can't access the host brain in which case it defaults to cold hard computation. Which is why it killed Sho's dad since the host brain had been damaged so the unit could not know it was not suppose to kill its opponent.

In the original OAV remember G3 did not come to G1's aid when he faced the Enzyme so it could very well be the unit saw G3 as a threat/traitor. Though the aggression factor is also a possibility.

Unfortunely we will have to wait till at least April before we discover what Takaya has in mind with those expanding power amp crystals.