Zagam's unit removing ability.

[Juggernought]

I've always wondered at something since Dreadnought/Zagam now, have the ability to remove units, would that extend to the W'kar prototypes as well? I know that in the WG universe Dreadnought had trouble trying to stop Greg from teleporting since it was an unusual way for any being to teleport(similar to a unit's blast field being formed due to activation...this could conclude that Zagam would experience a similar occurance, althought warrior, normal and possibly nova type units don't seem to be a problem.

[*zeo]

This is due in part because W'Kar units are not Guyver Units.

Additionally the W'Kar element's dimensional energy interferes with the function of the Matrix. Providing any being so equiped with a natural barrier against the Matrix and its power. Though this mainly applies to W'Kar and Anubis since most of the other W'Kar reproductions aren't equipped with the W'Kar element.

[Juggernought]

Hence Zagam will be able to remove them so that Anubis can fiddle with them at his pleasure....

[McAvoy]

Well it seemed that he had that ability anyway (Anubis) Remember he removed Malice's unit. But that was after Zagam was made. I highly doubt Zagam did it because Zagam seemed to be pretty new to the Order at the time. I also think if Anubis wanted the unit removed by Zagam, he would have done it in the arena for Zagam to test his abilities. Not do it again afterwards.

Zagam might even have trouble with remvoing the W'Kars just because they are much higher in power levels, very advanced and the Red Matrix is actually inferior to the Blue Matrix in these types of abilities.

[largo]

Right the red matrix was designed to make Zagam more powerful not more universal, but this brings up a question what happened to the blue matrix as its obvious that the red and blue matrices are two completely different devices.

Side note is it matrixes or matrices?

[*zeo]

The Blue Matrix was damaged and converted into the Red Matrix, Anubis never removed it. And it's Matrixes

[McAvoy]

Remember how he captured Dreadnought? He forced alot of energy into the control medal. He damaged the control medal and the Matrix so he that's why he was even able to make Zagam. If he didn't, the Blue Matrix is capable of restoring anything Anubis might have done if it was undamaged.

Though you could think the Red and Blue Matrixes as seperate now.

[W'Kar]

The Matrix's are like different models of the same thing. The blue matrix had more versatility, but was very slow to gain power. The Red has the ability to gain power far quicker, but is less versatile. So a red matrix can do many things very quickly what would take a blue longer to do, but there are some things a blue can do that a red cannot.

[Thunder Demon1472669266]

So, Allen, here's a relatively intersting, and not to mention completely theoretical in its entirety. What would happen if you could have both on one person?

On a side note, it's spelled 'matrices'. No 'X', just lonely ol' 'C'.

[W'Kar]

Hypothetically, I would say that the two may just merge and create the all powerful Purple Matrix which leads to ultimate cosmic power. I mean seriously, how scary is that, a purple matrix!

On a serious note, I would think one of two things, either the two would find a way to work together, or they wouldn't. I mean if you think of the matrixes in the most simple terms as tools (closely related to the swiss army knife of the creators) both have many of the same tools, only the red matrix is electric and has only a few different tools, the blue is hand held and self powered but has all sorts of gizmos. It's alot easier to cut down a tree with a chainsaw, not an axe. But it is alot harder to carve art with circular saw than it is a whittling knife.

[Juggernought]

My 2 cents....i think they'd work together. Being advanced as they are they would probably deduct they are extensions of the same thing. As Allen said, one being able to do things faster than the other...and the other capable of doing more. So they would work in concert..getting the job done, quickly.. efficiently.

[largo]

Well for my 50 cents I think the combination of the 2 matrixs would create a matter anti-matter type reaction. Only difference is that instend of taking several miles around the intial reaction to kingdom come. It would disable the frabric the very frabric of the known universe. Being that the reaction would take place on a quantum level.

[Juggernought]

2 matrixes have worked together before....nothing happened as what you're describing...why should it happen in this scenario when the only change is one can obtain power more quickly.

[*zeo]

Uh, a bit annihilistic there eh Largo?

But nope, unless Anubis did something that would specifically prevent it the two types of Matrixes can indeed work together.

On a side note, it's spelled 'matrices'. No 'X', just lonely ol' 'C'.

Actually you can use both an 'X' or a 'C'

"Inflected Form: plural ma-tri-ces or ma-trix-es"

But generally it's spelled with an 'X' since most people pronounce it with an 'X' . . at least here in the states.

[largo]

Ahh... how we Americans love to destroy and utterly annilate the english language. Oh how it warms the chocles of my still black heart.

[W'Kar]

As you can see, Zagam does have the ability to remove the units from W'Kars (as seen in the teaser), however the removal process is radically different. The host will not survive (even inside an atmosphere) and it takes time, Malice only survived because how advanced his bond was. Also, what effects would removing the W'Kar Reproduction have on the unit itself, speculations?

Edited February 16, 2007 by Guest

[Juggernought]

I think the unit will have a reduction in power or maybe some of its defenses will be compromised..Check out Oberon. When his unit was removed he still retained above human level strength as well as an incredible healing factor and the ability to call on his blast field..even anubis didnt expect that one. Put simply W'kar fuse with the hosts to remain that way. They want to be one with the host(Venom's ultimate dream for spiderman). To be forcibly removed would have to interfere with that bond.

Zagam is truly exacting as much pain as possible. But then again this could be also an example of how heavily bonded the w'kar unit is to its host. A son after Anubis' cold black heart....When it says

Not like a unit removal, but a process far more hideous. However it was done, the W’Kar Reproduction Unit was pulled out of his very bones.

sounds like Jason's rage is second only to Anubis'.

[Ultimate W'kar]

for a guyver to servive have the combined power of both matrixs they would have to have some pretty good ever evoling ability in order to build a resistence to that kind of power or energy. but they would have to evole right when it happens or the unit will suffure from a power over load unless they had some type of energy damping feild or system or have some way to regulate the energy. or have a anti over load system that send the energy in to a secert place as an energy storeage or have an infinate energy intake lake the warrior wizard unit which are a HSL system them selves sence the get power and energy from thing of their element( for instant Fire guyver my fisrt unit that was designed by my brother. get stronger from fire its self termal energy Ect,, Plant guyver My other brother, who is uder the alisa of CG1 Tempral, who get his power from plant and the earth, and the Kenitic guyver the creator and designer of the warrior wizard unit get his power from the Kenitic energy in the multi verse.)!

[*zeo]

Uhuh!?

I think Zagam's head just exploded

[Juggernought]

Back to what zagam did to kenji....that tearing the organisms from his bones effect. Does that mean that Zagam now has some degree of control over how he wants the organisms to react? So in this way he is capable of creating more pain, stress on the subjugated host.

[W'Kar]

No, it was partly metaphorical, partly truth. W'Kar units, reproductions included, bond far closer to the host than other units. While the reproductions can be removed, the process will nearly always kill the host. The organism in a reproduction really is in the bones, in the skin, in everywhere. When armored, a reproduction unit's host undergoes dramatic physical changes. Which is why Kenji was barely recognizable when the unit was torn off of him.

True W'Kar anyway, depending on his evolutionary stage, still cannot have his unit removed. Painfully hurt by the remover, but not completely. A fully bonded W'Kar you cannot make a difference out between host and unit, they are one in the same. Anubis is very close to a complete bonding, but he still has an armored and humanoid form. But that is why his humanoid form is still very powerful, the unit is closer to being completely bonded to the host.

W'Kar, as in 3rd stage, is close to the host but not near as close as Anubis. His unit could be removed, but the process would kill him. And you would need one hell of a remover to do so. The Warrior Unit remover would just tickle him, and the matrix has a difficult time affecting him. A red matrix, possible. Multiple blue matrixes working together, also possible.