Balcus zaoform origin

[Guest]

Im not sure if this has been brought up, i know that people have guessed what his abilites are. But i was wondering since balcus found alky before their was any modern technology 2 produce a zoaform, was their any left over creator tech that was used 2 process him? If thats the case wouldnt that mean he would be somewhat stronger than the other zoaforms that he processed?

[Armageddon]

I would believe there was something left behind by the Creators. After all, Alkanphels resting place is a creator ship if i remember right.

I would think Valcus found Alkanphel, he established mental control over him, then processed him using equipment/resources in his resting place. Then, from that time to present, Valcus was left to develop the current processing technology and process the 12 Zoalords.

That's the way i see it. Any other interpretations?

[Matt Bellamy]

Officially, thus far, Balcus does not have a battleform, nor has he even tried to fight. From what we've seen, he's a powerful telepath, able to control an entire army of Zoanoids, and as well, can create energy techniques ( he was able to do the same technique Guyt did to close the Black Hole etc...).

But his most potent feature seems to be his brain. I almost think it's safe to say that Alkanphel allowed Balcus complete access to the creators memories about Zoaforms, and how to create them.

Of course, the technology used in the manga wasn't created way back when, but no doubt, organic blue prints where, and it was only a matter of making metal and glass versions. Even then, early 1900's ma have been when chronos itself was started.

As for the timeline between the 1400's or so when Balcus found Alkanphel, to the 1900's when Chronos started it's dealings... no one can really say. IMO, most of the Zoalords probably have not been Zoalords for over 100 years. If anything, only Alkanphel, Balcus, and Waferindos seem to be older, while others like Guyot, and Purg'stall seem much more recent.

I mean there has to be a reason why the final Zoalord was finished in the late 80's or early 90's.

[McAvoy]

I think some of them have. My reason? Valcus had 400 to 500 years to create ten other zoalords. That's an average of 40 years per zoalord. Plenty of time to test and implement zoalord designs into the final body. The only zoalords IMO, that probably did not need this amount of time is Imakarum and Vlacus. Both of them processed by Alkanphel himself. It could be assumed that Imakarum is just reprocessed design using Gyro's design and Murakami as a base.

I think Valcus did one zoalord at a time. On the other hand, if he could come up with zoalord designs like that, how come it's only recent that he's come up with some really powerful zoanoid designs? Probably because zoalord design does not directly translate into zoanoid design without making them zoalords as well.

It is possible, that Valcus could upgrade the zoalords now using their latest teechnology and zoaform design that probably can beat the Gigantic Guyvers one on one.

Aside from Alkanphel, Valcus is the oldest of the zoalords. The first, therefore he might not have all the abilities save his mind control, as the other zoalords have. He might not even have a zoalord design. If he did the closest I think he might have is something like a Overlord from WG fanfiction.

[Guest]

Yeah but i started thinking about this because of agito going after the fossilized relic, Alk would not send Balcus if he couldnt defend himself because he isnt expendable well to me anyways, but if he has no form how can he live that long without being processed? well ok he had 2 have been processed with a zoacrystal showing in his forehead, but i think hes actually stronger than all the zoalords except maybe for imakarum. Also being evil lackys i would think that he would have spent time always trying upgrade his form after all hes probably looking for ways 2 restore Alk 2 his full power.

[Guest]

In the flash backs we see Alkanfels birth pod inside a relic. It became the basis for Zoanoid processing tubes. Strange though, after Alkanfel saved the Earth from the creators, the surviving zoa built a pyramid, and only his pod was in the room in the pyramid. Does that meen that his pod was cut out of the pyramid? How much of the relic was cut to fit inside the pyramid? The pod is still alive to this day, so obviously enough for life support.

When Alkanfel told Barcus to recreate the zoanoid tech, I doubt he had all the science to carry it out. I bet Alkanfel bestowed immortality on him by shoving a crystal into his forhead then stuffed him into the pod. The pod I think is programmed for Alkanfel's DNA, and so it healed Barcus as a Zoalord. An Alkanfel-esk zoalord. I don't think it fully converted him, but with limited tech, I think that's how it was done.

I'd write more now, but I've just got a call and have to go. I was going to put up some translations in another topic too, but I'll do that later; sorry

[*zeo]

Well remember we are talking about an island that can freely submerge itself for centuries at a time, did it ever occur to anyone that the whole island could be a converted Relic? After all Relics are very plant like in their overall design and appearance so what would happen if one simply decided to take root?

Not an impossible idea after all the Ark was made from the remains of a Relic so the organism it is made from is not entirely locked into one shape and function, at least when not linked to a CM.

Speaking of the Ark, remember it was made from plans left by the Creators so Alkanphel could indeed have had access to at least some of the Creators tech and knowledge which he could then have passed on to Balcus.

As to Balcus having a battle form that depends on several factors we don't have the answer to at the moment. Namely, how much power would Alkanphel would have entrusted to Balcus who was the first human he had met since possibly when the Creators left Earth versus as YoungGuyver suggested the limitation to Alkanphel's resources at the time? Simply because he trust him now does not mean he originally trusted him that much.

Then there are factors like what abilities Alkanphel would have bestowed upon Balcus that would have factored into the appearance of the presently theoretical battle form for Balcus? We do know Balcus helped contain Guyot's black hole attack so he at the least has some gravitational power.

If Balcus purpose was simply to help form Kronos for Alkanphel then he may not have been given a battle form for the simple reason he would not have needed one for his intended purpose. Unless like suggested he upgraded himself over time.

Then there is the question as to how stable his battle form would be if he does have one. It could be he doesn't transform because it is too great a strain to maintain for long or worse it could threaten his life. On the flip side he could be Kronos's secret weapon

We'll just have to wait till Takaya feels like revealing it to us.

[Guest]

I always like to remember how he took special interest in Aptom, almost as if he was considering something for himself. But then again, he is a scientist, and overall curiosity is a prewequiset.

[*Jess♥]

is there any chance that he could have been adjusted by the scientist that is now with agito? if that is the case there could be a possibility that he may have a battle form similar to grizelda or libertus.

the scientist does seem to have experience in creating zoalord if he can make grizelda without a real zoacrystal... (unless someone knows something about that 'zoacrystal')

[*zeo]

Well we know from Murikami Kronos made several prototypes for Guyot and that advance zoaforms have a generally lower success rate than mass produced standard types, so it would only be logical to assume Kronos made test prototypes for each Zoalord before finalizing the design for each since they could ill afford failure and thus loss of a potential Zoalord.

So this scientist probably had access to even Zoalord level processing and thus knew enough to make his own zoa-crystals as was done for the other proto-zoalords.

It is doubtful though, IMO, that he would have had a hand in adjusting Balcus as otherwise he would have told Agito about it. The main reason he joined up with Agito was to prove he was the best Zoaform scientist. So he would have at least boasted about adjusting Balcus even if he felt no need to warn Agito about those adjustments.

We also know Griselda has a limited lifespan consistant with proto-zoalords so her Zoa-crystal is definitely artifical.