Guest Posted March 20, 2004 Posted March 20, 2004 Ok let me get this straight. Alkphanel wont let any Zoalord get a guyver unit cause the creators are using sensors and if they saw this then theye would send countless troops. Ok, but what if he gave a unit to each zoalod and himself then upgraded with warrior Tech. Then they would be unstopible right?
guyverfanatic Posted March 20, 2004 Posted March 20, 2004 Yes, they would be unstoppable but seeing as how the creators would sense all of the zoalords bonding with a guyver unit, they would send billion, upon billions, upon billions to earth and kill them before they grow too powerful.
Thunder Demon Posted March 20, 2004 Posted March 20, 2004 Oh yeah, I can see roughly 30 trillion sitting on our lovely little planet that's the size of a freakin' pimple!! Not! Okay, seriously, yeah, pretty much so Astroguyver. But like what GF said, they'd interfere before the water even got lukewarm. And a wasted planet is pretty much useless to anyone who'd want to occupy in the first place.
guyverfanatic Posted March 20, 2004 Posted March 20, 2004 So that is the exact reason why none of them bond with a guyver unit. How can you have an army if they are all dead?
Frost Posted March 20, 2004 Posted March 20, 2004 Hmm I dont think those kavzars could destroy Alkhanphel and his Zoalords why? They will have warrior units and only Chronos has the remover.Or the Matrix could be used to remove it and I dont think that option is available to the Creators of this universe A Warrior Guyver Zoalord could easily take them on especially if he is a Master zoalord, would anybody care to do the maths about how powerful Alkhanphel would become? His telekinetic ability would alone crush a planet! and not to mention the Kavzars he could simply crush them in the same way you know close fist and they all get squished...
*zeo Posted March 20, 2004 Posted March 20, 2004 Hmm, seems many have forgotten what was said in the WG2 fic. Namely the Creators can simply make the sun go Nova, or worse super nova, not even a Warrior Guyver Zoalord could survive that as such an event would also effect hyperspace. Not even the power to destroy a planet compares to that level of destruction. guyverfanatic is also correct in that the Creators have the advantage of numbers. In part the attack on Alkanphel shows the Creators know what is at stake, but the situation is more complex than is readily apparent at the moment.
guyverfanatic Posted March 20, 2004 Posted March 20, 2004 Hmm, seems many have forgotten what was said in the WG2 fic. Namely the Creators can simply make the sun go Nova, or worse super nova, not even a Warrior Guyver Zoalord could survive that as such an event would also effect hyperspace. Not even the power to destroy a planet compares to that level of destruction.guyverfanatic is also correct in that the Creators have the advantage of numbers. In part the attack on Alkanphel shows the Creators know what is at stake, but the situation is more complex than is readily apparent at the moment. Ack! How could I forget about that the creators could make the sun go supernova!
Guest Posted March 21, 2004 Posted March 21, 2004 Why not something worse like a black hole or something you think the creators could collapse a star or two.
Frost Posted March 21, 2004 Posted March 21, 2004 So If Alkhanphel merges with a warior unit the chances are the entire planet could be toast hey tat means if Chronos develops an exteremly strong warrior cast for themselves or cross an invisible boundry which the Creators deem 'danger level' they will attack anyway this is so unfair. On a note on Alkhanphel and his current state in the cacoon i so hope he doesnt permanently bonds with his unit as this would be following in the tracks of another universe fic and no to mention it would kill the fun i want him etting bigger and badder you know Bad to the Bone type...
*zeo Posted March 21, 2004 Posted March 21, 2004 Why not something worse like a black hole or something you think the creators could collapse a star or two. Requires more effort, also turning the Sun into a black hole would only put us into the dark and freeze us. They would have to increase the Sun's mass to make it suck us in from our present position. Alternatively they could just create a moon size black hole and throw it at Earth. Not to mention the tried and true method of bombarding us with moon size projectiles. Do I really need to go on?
guyverfanatic Posted March 21, 2004 Posted March 21, 2004 Requires more effort, also turning the Sun into a black hole would only put us into the dark and freeze us. They would have to increase the Sun's mass to make it suck us in from our present position.Alternatively they could just create a moon size black hole and throw it at Earth. Not to mention the tried and true method of bombarding us with moon size projectiles. Do I really need to go on? Nope, I think you pretty much summed it up. Frost, I am no mod, but please use proper grammar, I have a hard time decyphering what you just posted there.
Guest Posted March 21, 2004 Posted March 21, 2004 Ok, but when the zoalords get the tech then there zoalord powers would get inhanced also. Then say they try to make the sun go Nova, I bet they could at least prevent it. Cause then there zoalord powers would grow also. I know that some can create black holes. But since there zoalod powers also increase then i bet they could take on trillions of creators. And if they try that black hole thing, wont Imakarum with a warrior unit be able to stop it? Plus by the time they have the tech and the recourses to get so many units i bet they are going to be big and Badder zoalords. Or even more then the 13 and master.
xtro guyver Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 Well what you have to remmeber is that any guyver zoalord would time time to reach full power and the way the creaters are monitoring earth they would detect it in less than a second and could easily wipe out he solor system as Zeo described. Even a warrior guyver zoalord would have a hard time surving a super nova. Also don't forget even a warrior guyver zoalord would fall to the kavzar army eventualy, either they would over power him or keep him busy so they can send the sun nova
Thunder Demon Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 Speaking of Black holes, to over simplify them (I think) all one has to say is that they are a star imploding on itself, only, not losing any mass at all. And, from what I understand, Brute force and abilities don't always mean everything. Same goes with numbers. Also, keep in mind that both will have some sort of plan that uses both advantages and disadvantages to their max. And just so you know, a seemingly disadvantage can be made an advantage. Case in point, during the American Revolution, at one point the English Army had so few soldiers on a route that they made fairly large circle and just walked around in the circle to make it seem like there was a huge number of them. Back to my point, numbers and brute force of one soldier (regardless of the number of soldiers) isn't the whole equation. One more thing is missing. Tactics. Every military has some sort of plan for battle. The US had one for Iraq, WWII, etc. A small force can overcome a large army by using their brains to the maximum limit. Even then, resolve and willpower can aid as well.
Guest Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 Your Right Thunder Demon tactics play an important role if not more important than brute strength. Case in point our country has enough Nukes to blow up the world three times. However we do not use it against our enemies. Why? Well for one we aren't insane no matter what Jaque Chirac would have you believe, and two our nukes are more useful as a psychological weapon. Think about it ever since the H-Bomb was developed by other countries have they dared use them against us. No they have not. Why don't they? The simple answer is no matter what bluster they are trying to push to save face in their country they know we have more bombs than them.
Thunder Demon Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 That also known as Deterrance. A very useful tool. Also, keep in mind, that even those aren't the only bits. You have to throw in a little luck, stealth, finesse, and pray you get help from the Great Pumpkin. Seriously, all of those except for the last also play a role. Just think, you could get out of a really tight spot with no scars with only a pinch of luck... granted, Alkanphel has a nice amry, but te Creators have a nice Armada. Big difference. Also, Alkanophel would prbably have a bit of an advantage. Why? Remember, he's been on Earth through seven important wars. in Chronological order, they are: WWI, WWII, the Cold War, korea, Vietnam, and the First Gulf War. He has some basis of human tactics and can base some strategies of of these. However, if the Creators had been paying attention throughout all of those years (more likely than not) then those tactics won't work quite as well. Why? They'll know how to counter them. Keep in mind also that once you throw in strrength, numbers, technology, luck, finesse, and stelth, you can end up with a very natsy war, even between two mjor powers. Oh yeah, don't forget, if umanity were to ever discover what was happening, then more likely than not, who would they side with?? That is the big question. Because as of right now as I am writing this, there is probably roughly 6.050 billion people on Earth, abd that number keeps skyrocketing. Then take off the number of people already siding with alkanphel, and you still have roughly the same number. over 6 billion people ripe for war. ("War is Hell " by the way)
Guest Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 True tactics do play a big part. Like what if cronos finds a way to trick the creators sensors. That would be one possibliity
Guest Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 Alkanphel has seen more human wars than just those in the 20th century. He's been a round for the last million years or so, which means he's probably seen the battles of the American Revolution, Nepolean's campaign, Alexander the Great, and pretty much every historic military figure we know to date. Truly if knowledge is power, than Alkanphel is a god.
Guest Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 okay, yeah, Alk has been around forever. but he's also been in hibernative sleep, and he didn't come around until some time ago.
Thunder Demon Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 1597 AD to be exact according to the Calender. Also, this means that yeah, he did see more than the wars in the 20th Century, but those wars in a way defined the entire planet to date. Probably more important than the American Revolution, American Civil War, the Mongolian Empire and Ghengis Khan, Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire and Attila the Hun.
Guest Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 But dont creators have one thing more. Cant they control any human being/zoanoid, Unless they are guyvers?
Juggernought Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 But dont creators have one thing more. Cant they control any human being/zoanoid, Unless they are guyvers? Yea guess they could, but remember Chronos' most zoaforms have been reprocessed to reject the Creator's telepathy, especially the zoalords. If they got under Creator control then all of Alk's plans would go down the drain.
Sully Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 Some times you guys do miss the abvious and that is what is Alkanphel trying to do (or at least what has been strongly hinted at). First off most of you miss the point to the unit Alkanphel merged with. The uncomplete Warrior Unit has the basic systems there to be upgraded to something not to far behind that of the unit of Warrior Guyver. You have to look at the situation before Guyver 2 messed things up changing events of the fan-fiction. Alkanphel knows enough to already have the Prototype V5 and to stay away from it. Yet he decided to keep the V1 and not use the Battle Guyver unit, or any other unit. Why? I'll not say from here but there is enough of a hint given. What does that point to in the end if things had happened the way Alk wanted? So then ask yourself if you can figure out the above, what does he want with the Clanship?
Frost Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 Well Sully i think he wants to first of all have it throughly searched for any units and other bits of tech he can use and secondly to grow another Ark.And V5 is Jason's unit Secondly Wg 2's universe Alkhanphel had the opportunity to merge with the Battle unit but he chose not to as there was no time and I guess he hasnt merged with any other unit is because he isnt so lucky enough to get one. Besides Guyver Fanatic said earlier that if any zoalord merges with any unit type the creators would send all their forces to destroy him and Earth may possiably get destroyed. And sure Alkhanphel knew the location of the prototype unit but the reason he didnt merge with it was because of the Time War paradox.
Sully Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 Well Sully i think he wants to first of all have it throughly searched for any units and other bits of tech he can use and secondly to grow another Ark.And V5 is Jason's unit Secondly Wg 2's universe Alkhanphel had the opportunity to merge with the Battle unit but he chose not to as there was no time and I guess he hasnt merged with any other unit is because he isnt so lucky enough to get one.Besides Guyver Fanatic said earlier that if any zoalord merges with any unit type the creators would send all their forces to destroy him and Earth may possiably get destroyed. And sure Alkhanphel knew the location of the prototype unit but the reason he didnt merge with it was because of the Time War paradox. Ok.... Not a good go at guessing what I am hinting at.....
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