exscaped_pyscho Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 WARNING SPOILER ALERT: Don't read this until you've read Diametric ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was just wondering what would happen if they were to fused together? definatley a power house! I know not likely to hapen unless Zagam is restored to Jason (without removing the W'Kar enhancments to the Red Matrix). If they never Fuse I'd at least love to see a knock down, drag out, no holds bar, there can be only one, who's your daddy, kick in the nuts battle between the two
W'Kar Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 Zagam discussions are only to be held in GWOTG area. He doesn't exist in the Warrior Guyver universe. As for fusion, hardly. Zagam is a Lycanlord, Jason is human. Two matrixes would conflict as well. Far as the fight goes, "No Comment"
Guest Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 Zagam is 60x at base level, Dreadnought is 25x at base level, they have very similar abilites though Zagams matrix is now limited I think Dreadnought would be toast. So all of the W'Kar reproductions are active, not counting reproduction's 5 & 7, the next fic will rule.
Guest Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 I noticed in the Zagam file that he has the "darmon" based ability, where did this come from?
guyverfanatic Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 Zagam has W'Kar/Darmon enhancements to his unit, plus he is more than twice the power of Jason, Dreadnought would be toast, unless Jason was willing to sacrifice his humanity in order to let the Matrix change him into a more powerful being.
exscaped_pyscho Posted August 28, 2003 Author Posted August 28, 2003 The Warrior unit's all have a backup power system if their HSL fails. If it fails they become like Life Force Guyver, Anubis has altered this to better suit his requirements (if I remember correctly). The original Darmon back up power system has been modified by the energy draining system to provide subject with a seperate power boost system that draws its power directly from an opponent and is capable of temporarily doubling subject's maximum power, depending on how much energy can be drained from an opponent. Quite from Zagam data file
Guest Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 Wait, didn't Sully say that Darmon tech was just from WG universe? Or is that just the Darmon Crystal? I'm confused how that tech got into GWOTG universe. Was there Darmon tech somewhere in the Meeting of the Warriors fic or something? Please clarify this for me.
Guest Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 The Warrior unit's all have a backup power system if their HSL fails. If it fails they become like Life Force Guyver, Anubis has altered this to better suit his requirements (if I remember correctly).The original Darmon back up power system has been modified by the energy draining system to provide subject with a seperate power boost system that draws its power directly from an opponent and is capable of temporarily doubling subject's maximum power, depending on how much energy can be drained from an opponent. Quite from Zagam data file so if Im reading that correct jason and all warrior units had darmon abilities like crystalite had
guyverfanatic Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 Wait, didn't Sully say that Darmon tech was just from WG universe? Or is that just the Darmon Crystal? I'm confused how that tech got into GWOTG universe. Was there Darmon tech somewhere in the Meeting of the Warriors fic or something? Please clarify this for me. Did you read exscaped_pyscho's post? If a Warrior Guyver's HSL fails, their back up system is used, so they now rely on feeding off their enemies bio-energy.
exscaped_pyscho Posted August 28, 2003 Author Posted August 28, 2003 Any Warrior unit that HSL fails becomes like the Life Force unit, who's life draining system was designed similiar to the Dark Being Darmon. (Life Force Guvyer's data file) The units Control Medal is a three sided pyramid and is assumed to be composed of three partial C-Units that have been combined to produce a more powerful tri-way processing unit. This is why the unit can function at such a high power level but ultimately failed to fully control the high power levels of the unit causing the loss of the HSL system. However it's not likely that the other's HSLs will fail because of the advancement from LFG's unit to Warrior's unit. LFG has a three sided control medal, Warrior has a four sided control medal. Hope this clears things up. So the Darmon System is unusable to WG's, or has been so far. The only way for any WG unit HSL's to fail (that I see) is if their control medal is damamged (NOTE: Even after a power overload from fighting the Guvyer Zoalord WG's HSL was still fuctional, although he was powered down for awhile).
Guest Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 Ok, well, I want a litttle more the just a post from escaped psycho. I mean just because it is a life draining power doesn't make it Darmon tech. But IS that what it is? Where does it say so if it is; or has this already been a discussion somewhere? :EDIT: I was reffering to the WG life draining ability in the absence of HSL systems in this post. Not Zagam himself.
guyverfanatic Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 Ok, well, I want a litttle more the just a post from escaped psycho. I mean just because it is a life draining power doesn't make it Darmon tech. But IS that what it is? Where does it say so if it is; or has this already been a discussion somewhere?:EDIT: I was reffering to the WG life draining ability in the absence of HSL systems in this post. Not Zagam himself. Well the most liekly answer you will get about those questions is "No Comment :twisted:" from the admin. We don't know much about Darmon right now, Brian will probably address that sometime soon.
Guest Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 (edited) Sully has already said that the Darmon Crystal is WG only. I'll go find the link and edit this post... :EDIT: It turns out that Matt said that first, but I was right, sully backed him up too. Here: http://warriorguyver.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1202 Edited August 28, 2003 by Guest
exscaped_pyscho Posted August 28, 2003 Author Posted August 28, 2003 ah I see I'm not good anuff for you ?Alright you want specifics huh? http://www.warriorguyver.com/wgfanfic/d ... guyver.htm Read his discription If that ante anuff for ya http://www.warriorguyver.com/wgfanfic/b ... ings03.htm use the find function to find this "I want access to the Warrior Guyver project." Here Krullnar and Jason are talking about it they don't say it is here but they talk about the HSL system failing here which is what activates it in regular WG units Now em I good anuff for ya? Peace out Player. Alright I'll take this slow.... The Darmon Infection is what they were talking about. Not the Energy draining system BASED on the Darmon beings. Besides Zagam IS WG tech! He's just been perverted by Anubis into a W'kar/Dreadnought hybrid of sorts. Or more precisely a Dreadnought unit with W'kar tech. that's resulted in a mutation of the Darmon BASED energy system.
Guest Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 The Guyver Supreme, was a Test Unit that had faced the three previous Units and had managed to defeat all three in limited test combat. That was until this subject. Though the HSL system had failed. Solom had designed a backup energy system based on the Dark Being Darmon. This is in the description. In no place does it say that it includes the Darmon crystal or anything. Maybe we were just on different pages, but I was taking it as in Darmon tech referring to something that had Darmon Crystal in it. My bad, I see now that you refer to that in the description as Darmon tech. Damn, I gotta get this stuff clarified, My job is getting tougher at 100 degrees F. out and working up to 7 hours a day fries my brain! Sorry for the miscommunication if thats what it was.
Guest Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 The Guyver Supreme, was a Test Unit that had faced the three previous Units and had managed to defeat all three in limited test combat. That was until this subject. Though the HSL system had failed. Solom had designed a backup energy system based on the Dark Being Darmon. This is in the description. In no place does it say that it includes the Darmon crystal or anything. Maybe we were just on different pages, but I was taking it as in Darmon tech referring to something that had Darmon Crystal in it. My bad, I see now that you refer to that in the description as Darmon tech. Damn, I gotta get this stuff clarified, My job is getting tougher at 100 degrees F. out and working up to 7 hours a day fries my brain! Sorry for the miscommunication if thats what it was. Dont feel bad i was thinking of the darmon crystal to, all this stuff is kinda new to me and Im trying to learn it all to catch up to where yal are at, guess I need to slow down
*zeo Posted August 29, 2003 Posted August 29, 2003 Yes, exscaped_pyscho is correct, all WG's have the Darmon based energy draining system as back up in case the HSL fails. Just read the LFG Data File... http://www.warriorguyver.com/wgfanfic/datafiles/dfcreator/lifeforceguyver.htm And right in the description part you will see it clearly stated... Solom had designed a backup energy system based on the Dark Being Darmon. and then the LFG unit... It was then improved on for the final 5th generation unit, now called Warrior Guyver. Meaning the backup is in all later WG's. This is tech made to replicate the Darmon ability to drain energy from other lifeforms, it in no way means there are any actual Darmon Crystals in WG units. It only means WG units can replicate one of the Darmon Crystal's abilities if it had to. What happened to Zagam is that this ability has been mutated to become a secondary power boost system. So just think of it like a super leech version of the WG2 CPM's.
McAvoy Posted August 30, 2003 Posted August 30, 2003 If he can do this now, can he actually enhance other abilties now? If Dreadnought and Zagam fought, Dreadnought would loose. Simply put, Zagam is Dreadnought but at a slightly modified 60x power level. The only way Dreadnought could win is if his own Matrix found some way to repair any damage than Anubis has down to him. Now the question is what would those two Dreadnoughts do, if Anubis can easily diable Dreadnought? Would they do their mutual fusion? We don;t know how a fusion like that would produce, perhaps a permement fusion of the two producing a single powerful Super Dreadnought. But if Anubis can do what he did to Dreadnought, then he can do it to the other Dreadnought.
Guest Posted August 30, 2003 Posted August 30, 2003 Zagam would win hands down. His matrix may not have all the abilites it used to but I am sure it has enough left to counter dreadnoughts and he is now much more powerful. Also I have a theory based on a few ideas that Zagam will not stay a badguy.
exscaped_pyscho Posted August 31, 2003 Author Posted August 31, 2003 Dreadnought could win in an unconventional way He could travel back in time to WG2's universe and kill Krullnar before he went to W'kar's universe, thusly stopping the doubling of all the Guyvers (including himself) and the ascension of Anubis and thusly either destroying the universes (via fatal paradox) or saving them both and possible killing himself (that version of him anyway) NOTE: It's my theory that Krullnar's travel to W'kar's universe and the creation of Atrahasis that has perverted W'kar's time line to the point Anubis evolved. I could be wrong about this and there obivously more to it then that but I can't type it all out now. Gotta go
Matt Bellamy Posted August 31, 2003 Posted August 31, 2003 Dreadnought could win in an unconventional way He could travel back in time to WG2's universe and kill Krullnar before he went to W'kar's universe, thusly stopping the doubling of all the Guyvers (including himself) and the ascension of Anubis and thusly either destroying the universes (via fatal paradox) or saving them both and possible killing himself (that version of him anyway)NOTE: It's my theory that Krullnar's travel to W'kar's universe and the creation of Atrahasis that has perverted W'kar's time line to the point Anubis evolved. I could be wrong about this and there obivously more to it then that but I can't type it all out now. Gotta go Remember, Time and Inter-Dimensional Travel is not absolute. If he did that, he'd just go a create another parallel dimension, that yes, would be saved from Krullnar's wraith, but the one he tried to save would still be screwed.
McAvoy Posted August 31, 2003 Posted August 31, 2003 The creation of Anubis will always happen. Think about it, W'Kar was already on verge of hgis next evolution. The Atraphasis incident only accelerated it. Only this time it would have taken a little bit longer. It's not like his own unit has some sort of limiter that during the Atraphasis incident was lifted. He will always evolve until his unit is fully healed. One more thing, Dreadnought seems to possess a second Matrix, if he could he could use that second Matrix to disable Zagam. However then he would have to get past Anubis as well. matrix has little effect near him. Perhaps it could adapt.
exscaped_pyscho Posted August 31, 2003 Author Posted August 31, 2003 Anubis was NEVER supposed to happen. The Kregen state this in From The Shadow's fic. The fact is that yes it was inevitable in the story that something like Anubis would acure but Greg wasn't saposed to have become this being so say the Kregen. Also I think the Kregen are whats stopping W'kar from going home because of the Temperal repercussions that would exsue if W'kar were to get angry at Anubis and become another Anubis himself think about that TWO anubis's . Dreadnought wouldn't create another time line by killing Krullnar if he stoped Krullnar from ever leaving his demension. It would be like cutting a branch off of the, ever branching, multiverse. Which would more then likely destroy himself in the process. At least that version of himself and the Versions of W'kar and Dreadnoought's universes Every decision anyone and everyone makes causes another time line to form, like there are un countable universes were mankind was made by the Creators. The parallel time lines where man is in existence are by products of their (the Creator's) actions. So then what if someone went back in time to the ORIGINAL time line and prevented the Creators from coming to Earth......no more Humanity, no more story, no more anything (for Humankind anyways). I'm not saying Dreadnought will do this, or even go back and kill Krullnar (it'll probably never even accure to him to do this) but it's a possibility. In fact it'd be alot easy to use two Matrix to pry the W'kar tech from Zagam or any other sorce of W'kar tech and then use it to upgrade himself and kick Zagam's ass from here to kingdom come. (Started writing this paragraph pryer to McAvoy's edit/post) My veiw of your guys' view of the multiverse might be WAY wrong in which case I'm way off base. If I am off in my theory I'd very much like it if you've tell me you perspective on the Multiverse.
McAvoy Posted September 1, 2003 Posted September 1, 2003 Anubis will always happen, however if you think about it, Kregen could have meant Omni W'Kar of the WG fic. Think about it, Omni W'Kar now could meet Anubis see his own daughter and girlfriend warped by Anubis who is W'Kar if ever becomes like him. So therefore W'Kar could in fact do a full 360 and become pure good. I once compared blue and red, angel and demon. Anubis is a red deomon both considered evil in their own right. Red is the color of blood, and color of evil if not black. Blue is a good color, everyon likes the color blue. So W'Kar could evolve into this blue angel to fight off Anubis the red demon. It would be the contrast of good vs. evil. But the two of them would be fighting themselves. The inter battle. Just a thought.
exscaped_pyscho Posted September 1, 2003 Author Posted September 1, 2003 Yes the W'kar unit was and is reparing itself from the damage done to it by Ai-Talis. But that doesn't mean that Anubis was inevitable. Greg may never have evolved into Anubis. We still don't know were the personality of Anubis came from. Anubis isn't a hybrid and Greg and the unit, it's a completly different life form. Theres no trace of Greg's DNA in Anubis. Anubis isn't even the final form of the true W'kar superbeing we know next to nothing about who or what Anubis is. Until Allen spills the beans as to what Anubis is (besides an uber powerful Guyver like being) this is kinda pointless. If the circumstances of W'kar's healing/evolving where different he might not have been Anubis. I guess what I'm trying to say is until we know what hapened to turn Greg into Anubis, you can't really say it was inevitable.
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