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It's a good movie, I'll give you that. I haven't seen a movie that had me so riveted to my seat like that in a long time. Longer than I'd ever care to admit. Ledger had the Joker down so pat, it wasn't just scary, it's was freaking creepy. I mean, that would be what nightmares are made of.

The movie armor seems less bumpy. But yeah, it definitely does seem a lot like it. Very nicely done by the way.

See, that makes a whole world of difference. Granted, Twenty Thousand years ago, we were little more than cave dwellers who could paint and hunt, but at least we're not still climbing trees in Africa, or wherever. Oh yes, and let's not forget darts. Some 20k years ago is also when we first started domesticating the canis lupus into canis familiaris, and started developing cultures that would evolve over time, or at least according to history. At that point it was still the stone age. Little more than barbarians, we were.

Yeah, there's nostalgia. Glaringly familiar nostalgia. And faces. And a whole bunch of other fun stuff. Same ol' Indy. 'Nuff said.

In addition, our recorded history is a mere blink of an eye in the grand scheme of things. Evolution doesn't stop exactly. Ever. It always makes changes, it might be minute like in the army ants, or sharks, or it could make massive changes, like our own evolutionary line. However, there is a notable 'jump' in the frames based on when Earth has had large massive extinctions, while leaving a worldwide population that's decimated. -- There was a collision with a meteor at the Jurassic and Triassic transitioning period, dating about 200 Million years ago (MYA). It killed about a fifth of all life, mostly marine, and non-dinosaur, as well as the last of the giant amphibians. This was the last collision until their extinction approximately 65 MYA. -- At 251 MYA, there was another mass extinction, this time nearly all life in the marine families ( something like 95-96%), as well as about 70% or so of the land species. This moved the Earth into the age of the dinosaurs, lasting until 65 MYA. -- The extinction involving the dinosaurs wipe out about half of the land life, mostly the large reptiles we know as dinosaurs, and about a third of all sea life became extinct. This transitioned into another period, one that would lead to the rise of mammals and avians, which would ultimately lead to us. ---- In regards to the Library of Alexandria, yes, a lot has been lost. We've only just begun to regain some of that knowledge. The books and art, however, are forever lost to us. It has been rumored that Homer, the poet who wrote the Iliad and the Odyssey, had written a number of epics that were lost. It is also rumored that oil and gas deposits had all been mapped on the Earth's surface. As well as coal, gold, silver, copper, and iron deposits, which we now find essential. The Library was massive, and held any and all conceivable knowledge that could be gotten at the time. Instead of searching for contraband, they searched for knowledge. It was a library, and research center. It is unknown when precisely when the library was destroyed, but it did happen during the Roman Empire period, and it does seem to result in the dark ages that would last for so long. As for the possiblity for being a second generation human, I find that implausable if not highly unlikely, simply for the fact that even though we do not have some of the features present like those in say, Alkanphel, those features that we do not have would have likely been phased out one at a time, regardless of any meteoric collisions or other catastrophes. For instance, a prolonged famine would only cause a genetic line's body systems to become much more efficient than they all ready were at energy usage and consumption. And while there may be nothing apparant to tax one's brain doesn't mean there wasn't. At any rate, if evolution held true, and features were bred out one or two at a time, then it is far more likely we're looking at least fifth generation humans, at least to me.

Which on some level is actually quite cool. But on the other hand, it's not such a great thing. Of course, I'm willing to bet that the change is fairly gradual, considering how long Greg had the unit to begin with. Of course, adding everything else it... Hate, power, a seriously screwed up host, and a unit that is essentially eliminating whatever is left of Greg's sanity, and humanity for that matter. Fate sucks. Or the writer has a simply twisted mind. Whichever you prefer. And McAvoy, you make it sound like the unit and host are going to come to a point where not even a remover would release the Unit from the Host.

52 meters? That's what 170 feet? Regardless of how you cut it up, that is big. I kinda got the feeling, but uh, wow. Anyway, he does look like he's slightly bigger than 52m. That's definitely a wake up call regardless of who you are.

Mmm. Yet "Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely." While he may have started out doing it for the betterment of all, his power has corrupted him considerably. If the W'Kar unit (and verbally I still can't spit it out) still is "regenerating" so to speak, healing itself, then the corruption will likely continue and has likely all ready spiraled out of control. Which means that while he's not in top for yet, he is still more powerful than I care to think about, and he literally will be a god by the time this is all finished. Frankly, I'm twisted enough to want that particular unit, for all its faults, for myself. Not for the power mind you, but for the absolute sheer craziness and genius behind the d*** thing. Seriously, back to the original question, Greg's brother being killed was simply the last straw, and he couldn't cope. Plus the fact the Unit itself is slightly demented, and that he was desperate enough to wish for more power, and the Unit responding to that need... Well, let's just say the old saying "Be Careful of What You Wish For" certainly applies as that is probably partially what happened. Frankly, at some point, the unit would have evolved, and stretched again, maybe not so maliciously, but still...

Which is bad enough. And if that happens on a sortie... Well, 'fireball' might not be enough to describe it. And for all of their redeeming qualities, all of the planes have some flaws in them. And within the thirty years they need for to complete the plans, things will have changed a lot by then. The Super Carriers (typed 'SCs' here on out) are incredibly large. Even if they wait, retrofitting them to fit the needs of the new era's. With CVN-79 and CVN-80 yet to be named (CVN-78 being designated USS Gerald R. Ford), both replacing one carrier, the older Nimitz class carriers would need a refitting well before the 30 years expire. As for planes, like I said, every type has some sort of flaw. Here's the thing: any new technology will have some sort of problem that will cause all sorts of problems and wreak havoc all over the place. I've said this to a lot of people I know, but for what I'm studying at uni, both pilots and I are in the same business. Just on opposite ends of the stick, so to speak. I'll be designing 'em, they'll be flying 'em. I, however, have a far less potentially fatal job.

I agree, sometimes, even combining the two doesn't exactly work, especially if the two styles conflict with each other. At any rate, while the martial arts do take a while to reach the first dan, it does not mean it can't be done in a relatively quick pace. I have heard of people taking less than five years, and people who have taken twenty years to reach the first dan. That's not to say that the learning styles of each person aren't different, or that their learning paces weren't different, but it also indicates how dedicated they were as well. (A dan is a black belt level in the martial arts) So, a dedicated person could in fact reach the first dan if they started at the beginning of high school, by the time they finished their first degree in college.

[Admin Note: Political and Military Conversation between Zeo and McAvoy was moved to its own topic in General Topic Section under "Military Tech & Politics"] Uh, getting back on topic... ANYWAY... It may be that Anubis truly believes that what he is doing is right. if so, there really isn't much one can do, except hope to live another day. Besides the whole thing got started when a race started to play God. When that kind of thing happens (at least with humans anyway) there's SOMETHING that a) hasn't been accounted for and will be you in the ass, b) it will come back to haunt you, and c) no mortal is perfect. Neither is an immortal for that matter. Besides, that kind of thing is to be expected when your creating what amounts to a superweapon. Something causes the s**t to hit the fan, and all of a sudden, you're in the middle of not s**t creek without a paddle. Except that "creek" is more like an ocean. But, overall, the question is a very good one. Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

And money. Don't forget the money. Yup, money and might. Kinda makes one wanna vomit. Don't underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Definitely Faye. No question. C'mon, she's had a lot more experience in the older ways and newer ways. Besides, her original time was waay back when, and you had to fight tooth and nail for an inch. Anyone, regardless of age and experience would become battle hardened after years like that. It's not that the others aren't skilled, it's just I really don't think most of them have a good drive to fight. Those that do, well, you heard read who I picked. It's simple.

Yup. History is written by the winners.

Eh, honestly? Anubis has a slight *sarcasm detected* god or messiah complex. There's nothing more to be said. If one truly believes what they do is "for the greater good", then they will not be sorry for it, regardless of what happens. It's how people believe. It's how some of the crazy dictators got in power in the first place. In most cases, I'd say capture 'em and put 'em on trial, or kill 'em. In this case, I'd not say that. Actually, I'm not sure what I'd say. At any rate, it's a matter of opinion of what's for the "greater good" in this matter, though Anubis' way is far too bloody for me to stomach. But, I'm queasy when it comes to excessive bloodshed. I don't like horror movies for a reason.

No, it may not let them win. However, if they played their hand right, they could deal a very serious blow to Anubis' forces, which at the beginning, wouldn't have been wise to do, as you're tipping your hand early. However, by the point where you are now, Allen, it would be too late to do much good unless you want a very desperate, and very crazily-stupid move to possibly buy you time. However, to do this, that particular project would need airtight security. Meaning no one in and no one out unless they were working the project. So, in laymen's terms, geeks and scientists only, kids! In the long run, I don't think it would have had that much of an effect in its best case scenario, which honestly the way that it would probably have to be done, scares the crap out of me. Conversely, if Anubis found out, and consequently adapted, let's just say everyone can kiss their a** good-bye.

Eh, I say it's a toss up. It could go either way. Really, unless someone decides to give us a complete psych eval, it could end up being any number of ways, not the least of which is what you're suggesting. Mostly, it's extremely difficult to quantify the set probabilities of any one general timeline with the details vague. This is because of the literal infinite universes that are part of the general multiverse. You can give a general case of what you think it may be, but in reality we have no way of truly answering these 'What-if's, though it's still funny to see us try. It gives us something to think about. In this case, to say that the series of events that compounded to trigger that last evolution could have been avoided would be like saying let's try to move a tidal wave. It's possible, just not likely. If I remember correctly, the series of events that set everything into motion could not be easily stopped once they began. I can't actually remember. Anyway, the inherent difficulties of trying to stop those events would have produced results that were likely to be far worse on an astronomically greater scale. Sometimes, (and I was hesitant to say usually or typically) when a series of events occur, such as the events that triggered the evolution, when those events are close to each other, then it is not only difficult to overcome them individually, but also as a whole, particularly if there is a death involved of someone who was particularly close to one of the participants. Given that I don't have actual proof of this, it's hard to be completely concrete on this. However, inserting a detail such as a conversation can have a drastic effect on a timeline. If for instance, the two had had a conversation prior to the fight, or even prior to Fighter Guyver II's death, than Greg could have possibly averted the whole thing. This is if the conversation wasn't a fight between brothers, and allowed both brothers to understand neither may come back from the fight. And given who and what they were fighting, it was pretty much a guarantee, even with the Guyver armor, that someone would die at some point in time. This would have likely given both brothers the time to grief for the other should they die. It doesn't completely fit, nor does it completely explain everything. Even if the evolution still triggered, which in all honesty, is a very good, and very likely possibility, the perversion of the unit might have been as bad. My best guess on an evolution being triggered is somewhere close to 50%. It's dicey at best. Conversely, if the conversation had been a fight, then the evolution that would have indeed triggered (my best guess it a 90%+ on the evolution being triggered) the evolution, and the perversion would have been just as bad or worse than it actually happened. This is given that no actual grieving time has been established, like it did happen, and that Greg would have been plenty angry going into the fight, which in all honesty, means more mistakes are being made because he couldn't think straight because he was mad. When you go into a fight, or battle, or duel angry or mad, or with any negative emotion, then you are more likely to mess up, and lose, die, etc. You get the point. In all likelyhood, the evolution, like I stated was finally triggered by Fighter Guyver's death, in conjunction with the death of Anubis, and a bunch of other things. The genocide of the Human Race isn't exactly something to be taken lightly either, particularly since eons of history was lost in an instant. Granted, no one was really interested at that point about history, but there were important artifacts that could have been useful that may have been destroyed. Greg's instability may have been a factor, but I highly doubt that it was a major factor in the long run. You talk about lusting for power, that may be true, as it is part of human nature to want power over other beings, including ourselves, but that lust was also part of a much larger picture in terms of what Greg was feeling. Truthfully, what would you be feeling at that point? Hatred mostly, anger, desire for revenge, sadness, confusion, and probably fear. That need for power links the hatred, anger, and the need for revenge. Now, conversely to what been talked about. What if he hadn't died in the battle, and it had been just Alkanphel who died, but the evolution was still triggered, from the stress, feeling of failure, need for revenge, hatred, etc.? I don't think that Fighter Guyver II could have talked Anubis down from where he was at that point, and certainly not where the story is now. That's just me though. I think the real irony is that I don't think the story would have been too much more different, events may have been delayed, but that may have been it. Conversely, the trigger event may never have happened, and Greg was still Greg, which means a whole hell never happened.

Eh, I'm not too sure how good of a comparison that is. It may be valid, but, it seems kinda weak. And, Al, that may be, but it would still mean forcing a set of people into a mold. It's not exactly "evil" but it certainly wouldn't be viewed as "good". But, I suppose it is all completely relative now, isn't it? Anyway, the AAR was weak to begin with. The stability depended on a lack of dissent in the ranks. Anubis at least held everything in check, albeit with fear and terror, not to mention flat out controlling his warriors somewhat.

See, that's tough. There's many different levels of skill. I agree with WarriorZoalord. I agree with Kamui. I agree with Juggernought and Spartan Warlord. That's three people I agree with. That's a scary thought. See, if you take all of those parts of skill and role it into one, then you possibly have a three way tie between Faye, Jason, and Agito. Which, by the way is how I vote. I can't vote that way, so I haven't voted. By the way, it's not always skill or power that wins either. Even the smallest, weakest mouse can out smart a fox.

Again, it's all guesswork. Any what if is. This one is intriguing though, simply because of the particulars involved. Like, let's suppose that he eventually did turn into a 'Good' Anubis as it were. What happens next? Where do they go? Who do they fight? What kind of new units are involved, if any? You get the idea.

Edit: Sorry about the double post. My computer's being stupid about the forum right now.

Hey, I believe that the government is censoring scientists. I heard that a group was doing a study, and I forget what it was about, but the results came back and the results stated the exact opposite of what they wanted and expected. You are not getting arguments from me my friend. They say that it's the TV companies that produce shows are responsible for the violence that's a result. That's like saying that the storm is responsible for the 500 deaths that comes from the flooding. That may be true, to a degree, but there are things in place in regards to safety in that instance. Here, inaddition to doing what you mentioned, parents can watch it with them once, and explain what makes it such a bad show to watch. Like some parents will find South Park offensive. I do, but I try not to watch a lot of violent TV. I know it's not real, and I know that in SP's case, it's a cartoon, but I still won't because violence sometimes scares the crap out of me. I hear about it on the radio, on the TV, over the internet, all part of the news. That's real violence, but, to my mind, it still is violence. I don't condone it all the time. But, at the same time, I'm not going to call up their network, or calling up Congress to tell them to ban the show, because there are fans of South Park. I know a few myself. I do something else or leave if I don't want to watch it. Granted there are a few episodes I have seen, but in general those were the far less violent ones. The same idea for Family Guy, and the Simpsons. It's who I am. People can find other ways to avoid the shows with out resorting to censoring them, because of the censored content. The whole hate speech thing is interesting. Yes, there are words that probably be used because they're offensive, yet, at the same time, the 'n' word was perfectly acceptable back in the 1800's. Hate speech is just that. Speech. They're words. It doesn't mean that they're going to put it into action necessarily, because that would negate their free right to assemble. There are limitations on the First Amendment that limit 'the right of the people peaceable to assemble'. By breaking any law, whether breaking and entering, assault and battery, destruction of property, public or private, that violates the First Amendment on the side of the assemblers. That is, in the stated cases, it would be perfectly legal, even under the first amendment to arrest, and try the whole group. There is legislation in place for hate crimes. The First Amendment isn't a stomping ground for a hate group. It doesn't give them free reign. Honestly, if they want to express themselves peaceable I have no problems, truly. It's when the words get placed into action that I have problems with hate groups. And the sad thing is, is that some of the hate groups (KKK, Neo-Nazi), have rather idiotic reasons to hate a particular group anyway. DOn't just give me words. Pretty words to me are white space when trying to convince me. Use numbers, proven facts, studies (actual studies done by the professionals), and scientific data to convince me. They can't do that. They can't convince me.

I gotta tell ya, over the holidays, I wanted to go see Charlie Wilson's War, about the Congressman and the CIA guy who convinced America to get involved with Afghanistan back in the 80's. Never actually got to see it when we were supposed to. Was kind of mad.

Weren't they close though? I can't remember. If they were, the effect of Jarrod's death would be worse than if they were your typical brothers. But, yeah, he would would have been angry. But not to trigger an evolution. I think that Jarrod's death was just the final evolution trigger. If the events were more spaced out, there would be time to deal with each one in between, not leaving Greg so emotionally unstable. As it is, part of the problem wasn't so much the deaths themselves, but the time frame in which they happened. Don't forget, Alkanphel and he were friends, and were fighting together, and Fighter Guyver II was killed in battle, the same battle. All of them more or less happens within a day. I don't care if you're Superman or a god, nobody can recover from three separate events in under 2 hours. You need time to grieve and mourn. Greg wasn't given that time. So, it may have, and it may not have triggered an evolution. Give how unstable Greg is anyway, he would have become emotionally volatile anyway, possibly turning into Anubis anyway, even if he could initially control it. Part of the metamorphosis was that he was so unstable in a normal state. You take away two important things, and you might advert disaster with Greg. First, take away the short time in which everything happened. Spread it over a month. You're chance of a triggered evolution has all ready decreased significantly, regardless of how unstable Greg may be. Second, take away the volatility of each moment, and again, the risk is less. But, it is purely guesswork, as this is a "what if" after all.

I believe that he would have gone into hiding. Not so much of hiding as hiding in plain sight. That is, he would still pose as Greg, up to a point. Maybe "phase" from Greg's personality to his own over a period of time. Yet, at the same time, he'd probable appear as various people to perhaps sow distrust as well as eliminate his potential threats. Conversely Alan, it could also be asked, "What if the Anubis personality had never presented itself?"