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or it could be both the main character could find one lot when he find the g-unit as the plan was a nearly dead relic with a female group of gargoyles in the pods which he gets the unit and frees the group from the pods. then later say in both america and china there being like you said two groups gaurding a relic or temple maybe a temple with a relic under neath it though i am not sure what could be in the relic but then they could be doing what they were last ordered to do. but keeping hidden so they can go about in their battle forms while some on the outside world would gather money and such like a compony but also hid the temple and such from people from finding it?

so would the character either finding a small group of gargoyles in processing pods on a advent ship thats buried like most ships are but are not linked to any clan that have survived down the ages. or him coming into contact with a group in the wilds like in china. though i was gunning for the pods myself as it would add a twist as if they were in the final stages of being improved maybe minorly. though with the stone sleep if they choose to they could remain in that state till they are awoken, lets them live for a very long time, besides those that go about in human for to interact without causing themselves problems, and build themselves a form of protection.

sorry i didn't mean that having an enzyne with a guyver but i was thinking about the gaster with whatever the enzyne is used in the guyver killer being used in the gasters missles to increase the power as it were when used against a guyver? yeah i think that as well though i am not sure if the acid could become more potent and/or how it is delivered becomes more greater though it pends on the enzyne type. though i did have an idea s the guyver unit stops zoalord control what would happen with sho's father was given one when he tried to attack sho and co? i can guess what balcus would say and a lot of it may not be very flattering as he is old and know alot more than most people on language not counting he would be either annoyed or very angry at his puppet getting out from under his control, plus it would be embarrasing to him as well. then what would that make enzyne 3 then as i am not sure if one could be toe to toe with him but three of them were handing him his ass. so i would think more like either a proto-zoalord or near full zoalord level, as if aptom was to face a guyver zoalord i think he would lose and badly at that though thats the canon one not sure really on the WGU one as he's absorbed alot of different zoaforms even a proto-zoalord, so his power level would be that much greater. from a site i read it said that aptom basically can regenerate thats from the site though not sure if that canon or fanfiction.though i am not sure how fast but i think he needs to replace the lost mass and energy he uses up to regenerate himself, so he would be fairly weak regenerating from a finger. his regeneration boosted by the guyver i think would be very dangerous as from what i understand it would automatically replicate the lost biomass some how and he would have an enormous level of energy so he wouldn't need to hunt for the biomass and/or bioenergy. i am not sure on that myself with how the explosive component in the missles are made and or if it is the liquid gaster carries with him. though i am sure that the power would increase but how much when a normal gaster missile could i read somewhere that one missile could crack zx-toles armour and all of the together could kill him. but like i said i am not sure if the power could be regulated or not in his own form or in guyver form? though i was also looking at a guyver-gaster and how its missles and explosive liquid would be altered by being boosted, not a aptom gaster guyver just a bog standard gaster with the armour. then again i don't hinks anyones sure if he needs to breath or if every cell a draws and separate the oxygen from the enviroment, but then like i said not sure if he needs to breath. but i don't think he would have any problems with the different organs that come with the bio-boosting, sa with his and the unit regeneration working at such a high level would make replacing or healing the damaged organs.

though in flight they would be more agile and on the ground i would think they would be slightly faster than the gregore maybe if you apply the same strength level of 15 to all attributes for a more rounded zoanoid. though the wing muscles i would think would be stronger to aid in greater lift-off for flight and maybe add something to the wings like an edge to the outside giving a extra weapon in combat. though i would assume that there would be a level of regeneration that could cope with minor damage while the stone sleep would enable full regeneration though doing lost limbs and organs would be difficult or it could take longer when a limb is cut off? i suppose when i was talking about the skin i should have said "harder or even harder" than just "hard or harder" when they go to heal in the stone skin state. though what do you think about the posion/venom and acid ability like spitting or spraying it at a target and in close combat coming out of the claws and teeth. this i would say would allow for getting into locked areas with the acid used to eat away at all or most materials. that and so besides a flyer type they could also with this used in raids, hit and run tactics and assinations of lone enemies. though i don't see them as being able to kill leader types as they would be noticable to the enemy with the wings, tail and skin let alone the claws and feet being more animal though i suppose it would depend on the race the enemy is? though i am a bit proud of the elegen organ as it would grant an easier lift-off for flight when there isn't any good thermals or air currents or places high enough to fly and cach the wind from. though adding such an organ would also mean that it could use electical attack though more likely in close combat hand to hand while in the air it would be maybe 2-5 attack but only when using its other attack aren't viable or against aerial as their opponent could be to fast that and for fast ground targets. but add to this the flaw in that using it to much could tire the gargoyle out especially during flight if used to much without giving to giving it time to replace the lost energy and in flight could mean it would have to either glide or land to replace the energy. as the organs main purpose would be to aid in hovering and getting the needed lift for flying and the attacks would be a side benefit but useful. that and using it to stun the target to allow for information gathering or getting in to hand to hand to apply the venom/poison. though all this together would make a versatile flyer and when need attacker, though i would think that the other types mostly the ground and any possible water type zoaforms would be better able to deal the most damage than the gregoyles as i would think those on the ground would be stronger and so on with their powers and abilities. though in a way it looks a bit over powered with what i have added right? though i didn't say anything on how long it has to replace the lost venom/poison and acid when it use it, it could take a little bit of time sort of like how vamore has to wait after using it laser pods to get rid of the toxins it builds up after use. so it could take a few minutes to build up enough of either to fill and the gland.

i was thinking about gargoyles as a zoaform and started wondering about them and what their power and abilities would be? though i wouldn't be able to guess what type of level they would be in as you have the standard class like gregore nad vamore, then the hyper class with zx-tole and gaster and finally the neo type with neo-zx-tole and powered zerebubuth? tring to remember if a flyin/gliding type was used in canon? like their skin would be very hard and when they go to sleep it becomes hard or harder than stone like say granite or maybe iron/steel, though not sure if their entire body changes or not. but then this could be used both for pretection, i.e. hiding in plain site and such and healing them after battle damage. though not sure what type of strength and such they would have but more than a human maybe gregore level of strength also applied to the other physical abilities. though i think speed and agility as well as stamina would be much greater to allow them to handle the combat side of things but i could see their main role in the advent army as scouts, the old flying recon role. though they would most likely be gliders as unless they have or given some form of extra power/abilite like an organ like elegans to help them become lighter and thus able to use their wings to fly and gain an altitued to use the updrafts and such like a bird. though fitting into the disney myth on gargoyles them hidding during the day, sleeping could also state that they are nocturnal or intended for use during the night which could explain the greater night vision they have. do you think more changes to these listed if done by chronos or advent or some minor and give them something for the flying aspect like spitting venom or acid maybe both one from the air and the other for close combat or as well as using both in long, mid, and short ranged combat?

well its an idea i had while doing my ranma/guyver story and i thought about gargoyles and decided to use them in the story though i am at the moment just using the females to add a bit of a twist as you don't have female zoanoids though i think you do have flyers. but the question here is should they be created by chronos at some lab in either the states or in japan or maybe somewhere else? or should they be a project left over from the advent either kept in a processing pod or having suvived in some part or parts of the world? yeah think the disney cartoon gargoyles

trying to remember if apollon named himself or someone likely one of the zoalords did. though i wonder if apollon is someone else continuing the theme agito set with naming himself zeus who killed/defeated cronos his father and was prophesised that he inturn would be killed by his own son? as it would be ironic in a way for agito to do so much damage only to be undermined or undercut as it were by apollon defeating him at his hour of triumph over the cronos organisation. though i do wonder . though just thinking about it i am trying to remember if all the guyvers when they released their armour had their closes on or not? as i understand when its after being reformed like sho did when he died it focused on his body and mind and ignored his clothing, but the one the woman has seems incomplete if they do retain their cloths and would i think be a major pain having to go through so much clothing. just because your bio-armour destroys it, though your bank isn't going to be happy though the clothing stores are with buying so much at a time though. though i do wonder why they hadn't completed it or were they taking their time and understanding what did what while in its dormant state as they hadn't gotten on to how to remove it after bonding it to a test subject?

That is true, but then you have to find all the official guyver data one each character, zaoform and guyver which will be a bit of a pain unless you are going to put a guesstimest unofficial guess on something or just leave what info you are unsure about out or put it in and say so. Uofficial fanfic of guyver wiki Though the next could be harder as i think you may have to ask those people, site owner and such if you can put up the fanfictional of data files these people have created on each site has, though giving the web address to those sites will probably draw more people to those site to see what else is there. but either way it is a great idea and something i would enjoy looking through both sites and what you have to say in each about data file and possible facts and fictions.

I hope i got everthing right and it doesn't look like a chaotic mess to everyone and hard to understand what i am asking? Well i was thinking about aptom and his abilities and then what if he gained a guyver or a being with the same abilities as aptom getting a g-unit. That and gaster with a guyver unit and a gaster with enzynes enzyne a part of his missles? Though i can't find much on aptom not even a data file for him in WG universe, is there one coming out for him there at some point? But then i thought what is or are aptoms abilities. As in canon aptom before being reprocessed from what i understand could only take on the form of one being and have their powers and abilities but be weaker than the original being. After being reprocessed i think he retained that ability be by absorbing or consuming a zoaform he would be able to use that and other zorforms abilties either all in one form or just take on one zoaform. Like vamore and have all the strengths and also weakness of that form unless he used gregore strength to boost that form or ramotiths agility and strangth. Though on this i want to know as we don't have much on his power levels does he have to absorb/consume the zoaform fully or just either a small part or a large part to gain access to some or all of the zoaforms powers and abilties? Next his powers and abilites i remember that in human form he was able to use gasters missles while in human form? Does this mean that his physical abilities are in human the same as whatever zoaform he has like strength of derzerb and fast as thancrus? Does absorbing/consuming different levels of power of zoaforms like in strength derzerb and gregore stack, so this gives him a strength level of 75 men. or the more bio-mass he has the more powerful he is? Or does he only have the option of the strongest form in strength he has take being the limit he has at the present until he gets something stronger same with other abilities and powers he has gained. Now with a guyver the question i have would the bio-armour stop the use of his absorbing/consuming ability/power or allow it or enhance it? Though this next part goes with the old question of if the person can shapeshift or transfrom into a battle form that grants improvements, does the guyver stop this transformation when its active or allow it? As if he was using ramotith form and power and used the guyver he would be more powerful but if he used vamore he would be weaker than ramotith-guyver but his bio-lasers would be more powerful unless they combined with the mega-smasher and increased that or it in power? But then in either case if he were to change forms while as a guyver would the guyver alter to accept the changes or if he used a combination of all forms the best from each would the unit still allow the full enhanced use of this forms powers and abilities? Though this is going by what he, aptom has gained in canon and not in WG universe. With guyver-gaster would his missles and explosive liquid be enhanced/improved and how much and what would they be able to do. Like would the range be increased for both and also the missles be faster though i can guess that both would be more powerful though would he be able to control the power in each or would they be set at the maximum possible. Heck would they be enhanced by the mega-smasher like g-vamore keeps the chest plates closed but charges it up and then boots it through to the missles and increase their power but must fire all 18 missles at his target/s. And it would be the same as if he was a normal guyver after woulds needing time to recharge before he could use such an attack like that though he would be faster as he isn't a base human. The next would be if any idea on combining gasters missles with the enzyne blood to become even more dangerous to a guyver if one missle explodes near him he gets not only blast damage but also the spray of enzynes onto his armour. Damaging him and worse if more missles explode near him so an inderect hit and a direct hit would be even worse with just one or more than normal missles? Though i wonder what a gaster guyver would look like even aptom in his most powrful form in either canon or WGU would look like?

Hi all, been awhile, been busy and such but I just thought of a question that could give you something to chew on. Sorry if someone does have something on the Pressure Cannon effects, just that I can't find it. The Pressure Cannon of the Guyvers, as we all know, are all bar a few using gravity to allow for flight and attacks. What I'm after is the effects of the Pressure Cannon when it hits an object. Does it pull in material from the target/object like a black hole, thus cutting its way through the target, or does it do something else? That and could it also do something else like explode or implode as an attack instead of dispersing? The next part is the Zoalord's gravity attacks based mainly through a gravity crystal or can they create them through the use of their psychic abilities or sort of using their psychic abilities through a gravity attuned crystal to make the attacks?

Hi all, need a bit of help. . . I've decided to write a Guyver story, though it wont be crossing over with Warrior Guyver universe barith the units that i will use. But it will be a crossing over with some other anime like X-Men Evolution, Genocyber, and one or two others. The main problem I've gotten to is not just when and how my main character gets his unit but also which will be different like the units Sho, Agito, and Risker (though his will be different). This is to reflect a change in the story line the different units being used by those three being more powerful than the standard ones. Basically I want my character to be a mutant/meta-human, and if you ever watched an anime called Genocyber about a being with a immense psychic power. Though the specific mutation my character will have I'm not sure of yet, as it comes down to 5 possible mutations with the 5th being more a mixture of 2-3 of the other mutations. What I think many people on this forum, and another, think is that a mutant using a Guyver unit would be classed as a Guyver-Zoanoid reflecting in the power level as a mutant would need a high level of power to uses their mutation. Though I would think that pending on the mutation some would be more like hyper zoanoids, neo hyper, proto zoalord and zoalord levels, which would be reflected in the guyver unit. Though I did conclude that the units unless modified specifcally then the Guyver units will restrict what the mutant can do with their mutation, as you don't see a zoanoid with a Guyver unit transform after activating their unit so there must be a ristriction on this. Though someone like X-Men's Colossus, I am not really sure on his type of mutation being allowed to take his armoured form but it could be possible after activating a unit? Well the mutations I boiled it down to are really a bit greedy as they are potent in power level but they would be at a low level and grow with training, experience, and so on so not at the level that are shown by the orignial characters; A) Well, like I said greedy as this one is Apocalypse type of mutation from earth 616 plus at the level granted by the alien tech though the character would not have such tech in him, which also means technopathy. B) Well, I'd say this one is both potent and greedy as this one is from Mister M; though it's more of a powerful psychic with a subconsious manual on how to manipulate on the molecular level, so if such a manual was in the other mutation (A) then that would be able to do the same thing. Not very clear, sorry, just a thought on the knowledge being subconsious but there to draw on and learn and be part of the consious mind afterwords. C) Well this is very similar to Copycat's power though what the person can see they can copy the appearance but only touching like rogue can the person gain what ever else the person has like mutant powers/abilities along side knowledge, skills and memories. D) Much like © but no shapeshift unless they touch someone like mystique. like rogues power but more like a perfect, enhanced or true form version as it won't render a person unconsious, coma or death. Sort of like copying a computer or photocopying perfectly. Though the other difference also is that the power gets enhanced to a much greater level and they gain a level of resistence to that power or immunity that or their resistence build up to that. However, they keep the power active unlike rogue who loses access to the power after a certain time limit, while this one it just drops down to a level where it's weaker than the person they got it from. But like a muscle with training it can grow back to the level it was and surpass it, that and for a limited time just touch the person again to regain the level of power and pending if whose control is better on that power, so if his is better then he uses that. E) This one is more of a mix of say (A) and (B) with a little bit of (D) or a bit of reactive evolution somthing really minor level. But what it really boils down to is that I can't really decide which one to go with but which ever one it is it won't awaken till after gaining his unit and starts learning how to use and control this power besides the unit. So it won't be a very big power up, it's just something like new paths and potentials he now has open to him to go down and that he can train. The next part of this is I haven't decided when he gets the unit, if before the start of the guyver series then that leaves it open for him to go to America for the X-Men side for a few months or episodes/series before going beack to japan at some point to get involved with the guyver series. Like helping Sho train to use his unit, this could be jut after he gains the unit and before fighting unit 2 or after during the first appearance of Zerebubuth. Then at some point involve the X-Men or mutants being changed into zoaforms of some types, thus giving more powerful enemies to fight with such units being more powerful. Though if he gets the unit at the start of the series then he would go through that side upto and after Relic's point and then go off to America and then at some point would the x-zoanoids come in to being, which would like some people suggest being like lost numbers as they would be very hard to impossible to copy for now. The units Sho and te other two get, well they would be more advanced than the standard units but lack somethings like the warrior type and also not being as powerful as that type. What happens with the other units well they could still be around and or these units come from a Relic that comes from a different reality that managed to break through into this one and so some new directions were taken by the creators before they left. Hence why they are more powerful, though they would't be as fast to heal damage to say the CM like the WG would be able to do, that and Risker may not be the one to gain that unit but just the standard while say a female did instead? So this basically comes to; A) Mutation type. . . B) When and which path he goes down. . . So I could really use any feed back on this to give me some help, so I can get the story moving. . . So any ideas?

Well, basically after reading a bit of the data files in the Warrior Guyver universe I wondered which of the Guyvers gravity orbs or orbs that function virtually the same as a gravity orb but different in some ways. Well the question is which gravity orb is A) The most powerful, B) The most versatile, which means more can be done using it. Though I am sure that a unit with a powerful orb may be potentially able to do something a less powerful or different orb can do but the host would have to work at doing so? Reason why I'm asking this is for an idea for a unit, and looking at the different G-units in WG universe give a good idea, though I can guess that the most powerful would belong in the other fanfic universe GWOTG with Anubis though it's hard to say if he is a Guyver pending how you look at it though. Besides, I wouldn't use that universe in this topic as it's too powerful. Well give us a list of who you think has the above orb type though I have a sneaky thought on which unit it may be for power and just maybe versatility than another unit .

"Ve are the borgver, your resistance is futile. Ve vish to improve ourselves. Ve will add your biological and technological differences to our own, you vill be assimilated and ve vill adapt." that made me laugh a bit and i like the borg referance to as it does sound like like one as well. though for the unit to abosrb new tech like that would either mean it had something like the matrix ability or maybe a organic nano organisum, like a nano bot but organic in nature controlled via the main CM a special CM seperate from the Main to handle it? i checked the robo-guyver data files that was interesting plus gave me some what of an idea on the look of the unit as well. plus to get the tech like the one i listed would also mean it would either have to be in the warrior guyver universe or get access to the tech information some how to create the upgrades, or the hyper thetical information and such? just rereading the dark nova and black nova data files and thought of something as with the HSL from the warrior project the guyver would most likely be able to split the offensive and defence between the two (artificial quantum singularity) and what ever else. that and also being the back up to take over from the other should one be knocked out or unable to supply the energy for its function. du you think that the CM being like the Warrior type with four that maybe with this one there would be five with the 5th containing the (artificial quantum singularity)to allow better and increased efficency for the over all unit preformance? plus i wonder could the weapons module create explosive darts or missles like gaster as having a guyver with his or her own missle capability is a very intersting idea though tath would go with one of those test types that has long range only? an idea i had was about the secondary type of alternitive mega smasher that the other guyvers/ bio-boosted beings had could possibly sit near/around the chest area but not covered over like them thus granting a quick fire weapon but also more focused weapon unlike the mega smashers/ though with out a chest plate it would make them more likely to be prone to damaged easier during combat but then most would likely over look them for disabling the mega smashers, right? hmm with this means thatthe unit would have to act like angels guyver unit , as it would be limited but the more use that is made and how hard or dangerous the opponent/s are or becoming the more of it's other abilities/weapons come out plus its potential? yeah i know that sounds a bit strange but i would really prefre it not starting out with all its weapons and abilties avalible from the get go, so more like a beginners level moving on up to adapt using it equipment to a certain level? as you don't want a person using their CPMs along side his/hers bio-energy doubler fireing both hyper smashers through a hyper lens flare only to end up blowing a large portion of the earth away. though i am not sure if the other smasher weapons could enhance the power of such when fire along side the hyper smasher? though i am sure using these all at the same time may likely fry some parts of the unit with such an overload of energy being generated and released all at one like that right. wit hhow advanced each of these projects are and how they have either improved the design of the MS or made it larger or how in some cases a zoacrystal is merged with a MS to increase its power. then how about making a MS cell or HS smaller merged with a zoacrystal but there are four to one chest plate area not just one large cell. thus each maybe be as powerful as a normal? hyper smasher but say with an option of using plasma or fusion energy besides a particle beam. would a hyper smasher be a charged particle beam weapon or is it just more powerful but not quite a charged particle beam, though from memory a think a chaged particle beam also causes the target to explode as well or something along those line i think, been a while since i looked up the explination on that subject. though now i keep thinking about the gauss weapons of the necrons and how they flay a target from the monecular level one monicule at a time. a unit with something like that would certainly be something really nasty to come up against sort of like a real borgver would have to use. though such a unit would sue something to parlyse the targets nerv system and muscles to then begin a assimilated, horried thought it being like how aptom and zygote do but like in nartuo sound four merged with kiba evil that. such a unit would most likely be on par with dreadnought?

Not sure if this is in the right section or not but here goes? Well, really just an idea from doing that self upgrading Guyver and as such wondered what a unit that combines what was used in the Warrior Guyver project, Nova Guyver project, Enforcer Kavzar, Jy-Taki, Hunter, Guyver XT, Twilight Guyver, Praetorian? Angel Guyver and a Gigantic upgrade. All from different projects, much like how the Warrior Guyver was created, as each scientist Creators worked on was merged within one unit that became the final prototype. That means all units, even the Dark Nova and Nova 2, which are upgraded units so upgraded units to bar the Matrix Warrior Guyver. So what if those above named projects had each new or improved tech intergrated into one unit, like the Enforcer Kavzars weapon module or the bio-energy doubler sorts of things to a unit. Then not to forget the improvements in some offences, defences that being active or passive and other, like the proton weapons of the Hunter and the sensors in each unit are sometimes very powerful and others go into detecting different things but both allow to detect hostils. Yeah, I know a bit over the top but really when you think about it, someone has got to wonder at what such a unit would be like fusing these projects tech and such together. Where on the body would some of the weapons appear and how many, and would say the weapons module appear instead of the headbeam, sonic busters and vibraional sword or in addition to these weapons and in more than one? As the CM would be enhanced like some normal G-units had done and then merged with a Kavzar Enforcer crystal would making another three K-CM like the Warrior unit has make it able to handle the needed power and processing? Though I couldn't really give it a name seeing it would be a merging of so many different projects and such could it even be called a Warrior Guyver? Or would a new name be needed.

The part I was more inclined for the unit was that it does have the designs, plans, and all that and can use some of them in the unit's present state but for anything major and such would use the cocoon like the Gigantic, though not for too great a time length as the Gigantic took to be made. Say the unit has some of the new features already there but kept dormant till needed, such as the stamina issue or a boost in power even for a short time, and such for the present level the unit's at then when the requiements, whatever they are, cause the Guyver to go into a cocoon state to make the necessary changes. Though unlike the Gigantic it would mean that the unit could go into the cocoon till it reaches its final level/stage or if the evolution or slight adaption ability to make alterations to the Guyvers presents weapons and such when needed would keep it changing. Though like you said about the CM would have to be advanced enough to not only handle the power demands but either activating the dormant weapons and use plus creating the extras or making alterations and such. Would more CM's increase the processing power and if such is so then what would the shape of the CM be as the Warrior Guyver has a four sided pyramid plus I forgot if the rings add anything to the power level or processing power of the CM? or would the CM's becoming more sophisticated improve its abilities can do like monocular circuitry along with bio-material like the armour to help it better? Thanks for the explanation, it helps a bit more with the HSL and CPM though I was going to make some comment on cars and a nitro to get to the same place but that's something for another time. So would that mean that basically the CPM is sort of like a reservior storing only so much till needed and then takes so long to fill before use again but also having a cut off to stop being used within a certain time frame, like not one after the other has just been used?

That's about right what I had in mind for the unit but where is the data file of stats and such for Omega Guyver as I'm sure I have seen it somewhere? Though in a way it sounds like the Reaper Guyver from GSF, though I wouldn't want to use such a unit like that as it would be way out of control getting really too powerful too fast. So would adding say the other projects data and tech to this AB-M give it a more larger range of choice already created but not used in said unit, so this way it just supplements the old and less useful weapons and as you said the unit loses something while getting improvements in others or something new? Though this would save on making and creating new things but then it could adapt what it has at hand to use but it still also sound like it has a limited reactive evolution ability. But still I am trying to think of a way that such would come about that's why I started with it being a standard powers and abilities that would later change, improve, or something new would come into the picture when it's needed and what the host has at its disposal is not enough. Putting it that way sort of brings in the limit of what the unit has access to besides evolving a new power or trait, with having something to take from leaves that out. Though adding a way to make changes for the situation does have an appeal from the data and tech. Do you know Zeo where I can find a good explanation on the HSL and CPM as the data files aren't that clear for me, or say focused as I need, as both sound the same to me?

And by that oh reads is a Guyver unit that starts out as a basic standard Guyver but when the circumstances demand a new ability and/or power becomes available, like in the new anime series when Sho faces Vamore, that squid thing, and Zerebubuth, he learned to use the head laser, vibrational swords, pressure cannon and the mega smasher. So when something like that happens or the host is losing the fight/battle the unit unveils something new or an increase in power to help host survive the battle and win. Then once the unit has reached a certain level of say how far the present unit's power level can goto, plus current level it can boost the stamina, it goes through an upgrade granting a larger improvements throughout the unit and brings new hidden options. Though the unit does sound like it is evolving, which is a different idea, but in fact has been preprogrammed to unveil these new powers and abilities when meeting the requirements before it shows what it has hidden. As it has a lot of different tech implanted that either grants improvements on old or something new like HSL and as something is improved upon or new it then needs a better form to handle the needed requirements sort of like SSJ 1-3 you have to unlock and then the form is more powerful than before. Sorry, doesn't seem right how I am explaining it but think standard unit then say Turbo unit, Supreme unit, Battle unit and so on up to say Warrior combined Dark Nova and then an upgrade to Gigantic. But the last part Gigantic, Warrior and Dark Nova is a bit much so say just the first three of the Warrior project and part of the Nova being the final form of the self-upgrading Guyver, as this also give the unit a way to downgrade when too much damage is taken and needs to repair it. Though after looking at the data file this reminds me a bit or Angel Guyver, though that one has a broader range to upgrade to and is more like a set evolution path, plus the host doesn't change like the Angel unit's host does. So tell me would such a unit be possible to do so after a time the unit become more powerful and dangerous over time and situations the host get into.

I know the history of the Supreme unit, it's something that I find very fascinating though I find it strange that only; strength, hyper sensors and durability were enhanced with only a small enhancement for speed via the shield used in the defence for short bursts. Leaving the rest to stay standard, you would have thought the rest would also be enhanced. Though maybe there is another unit yet to be revealed that has the opposite enhanced and stamina too. Though with the Primitive Guyver I would have thought being an exception as he has basically been active for a very long time, enough time I would think for him to develop the stamina reserves. While I don’t think Sho would get the time needed to improve his unless he wore it 24-7 and did normal everyday actions, this I would think could increase his stamina though he would have to hide from Chronos for the time or he would be in for a lot of fights. So that was why I said the GS having a special enhancement, maybe something crude like a bio-energy doubler or something, that increases its stamina and at cost channel it into its other weapons and defences etc. doesn’t mean it would last longer if it was in a high or very high level battle, that and they didn’t do some improvements on the unit like little tweaks and such but kept it at the same level with nothing over dramatic like giving it the HSL or energy drain ability and so on, that would be too much but you see what I mean on the tweak side though? Though with the mega smasher blast reflected back at him and Agito, Sho could well have moved in front of him to protect him or enough so that his shield gave enough to do so, then Sho was the one connected to the ship at the time and with his unit more advanced would most likely have more control. So Agito would most likely get healed but I doubt he would get the upgrade, though I'm not sure if the ship may not have activated the shield thus giving it enough time to get the hell out of the Zoalords attacks? With Sho's personality change only thing I can think of besides your option for the outcome would be the opposit being he becomes more aggressive or more willing to use the unit's power, you know about power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutly so I would think somthing like that would happen with Sho and the GS unit? Though with this new unit I would think the Hyper Zoanods would be more likely to be more powerful than they are, not the Hyper Zoanoid Team Five straight away or Zerebubuth or its upgraded form, but what's left of the Team 5 getting an upgrade which in turn makes them more powerful. So they then can handle Sho's GS but also it would make them harder to create from scratch like Hyper Zoanoids before, this would also mean Agito would have to work that much harder in being able to kill the Neo Hyper Zoanoids he runs across.

True, but with the Gigantic unit I would still think it would get created but with the supreme I would think something new would happen; like if Agito called it he could find that he would not be as powerful as Sho is with the Gigantic, as it would be designed around Sho's more advanced unit. That and another idea is that the one thing that is lacking in Sho's unit would be a HSL, which could be created. So outside the Gigantic he would be able to use his for much longer or maybe something added to take off the nasty side effect when using the unit for too long... which leaves someone recovering until they are recovered as that was always a problem with this unit. Though if that unit was used maybe a upgrade of some of the other abilities that are standard to better balance the unit out with its other abilities. As you would have thought when they made that unit the other abilities would be upgraded to reflect like 2x or 3x?

Well then Juggernought, if you had the choice of altering what unit Sho bonded with then what would you personally choose that would make Sho's life, and his friends, different? Like, how would it effect Agito and Guyot with someone gaining a unit that is just a little bit more powerful? Or maybe a lot more powerful or maybe not even in the same way as the standard unit? Since there are other types, like the Nova Units, instead of the Warrior Unit types that can give even a small amount of enhancement to the unit. . .

Well, from that I would say you would be wrong in that it could boost him close to the Guyver Zoalord level as all that's said about the unit bonding to the Zoalord was a standard and only did the same boosting as normal. While you have gone and said 2x or 3x times bio boosting Alkanphel, who is supposed to be the most powerful of the Zoalords. So he would be even more powerful than the previous Guyver-Zoalord, plus it being a Warrior Unit; even though of a lesser level compared to Jason's before the Matrix. Sorry if I come off a bit raving and blunt but you have to agree that small part about the boosting 2x or 3x if it just did the normal boosting for a standard it would be the same as a GZ, though if it only did 50% or less boosting than a standard then it would make him less powerful than a GZ.

Hmm. . . Well, I took a look at the data file for the Overlords and it really reminds me of a zoanthrope from Tyranids Warhammer 40k, as they rely on their psychic power as their body is really weak when compared to the other creatures. Like Hyper and Neo Hyper Zoanoids are all more physical and have only limited telepathy to help them talk with a Zoalord. You would think some effort would be made in enhancing the durability and regeneration plus their energy levels replenishing as rapidly so that they are likely to last longer when and if they need to fight. Those Zoa-Crystals I always thought that they were only one lot of 12 main crystals created from Alkanphels own crystals and thus represented a focus for each of his powers, thus less stress on each crystal when he use more than one power. So if it was just his own crystal then it would become damaged as he has all the powers that the 12 zoalords that are made inside him but each focuses on one of his powers. Assuming that being the case then wouldn't the Zoalord be tailored to the crystal rather than the other way around as I am not sure if it's cannon or not that creating a Zoa-Crystal isn't very easy, like Zoanoids, and so retuning a Zoa-Crystal to fit a new or replacement Zoalord could be dangerous in either it being destroyed or not working as well as it could and did. Though if you, or someone, could find that "Zoalords are just Hyper Zoanoids" comment it would fit with what you have said about Guyot without his Zoa-Crystal is little better than a primitive Zoanoid. Though this is speculation as we know that Guyot is alive but how powerful he is now that he doesn't has the crystal Who can say? But from what was seen the proto-Zoalords, even without a main crystal like a full Zoalord's, were very dangerous to other zoanoid types. Though I would think from this that a Zoalord without his main crystal would be more powerful than most hyper zoanoids but more prone to losing stamina faster than a Hyper Zoanoids, since from what I am now thinking the crystal adds a massive boost to the energy and stamina besides the psi powers. So that would mean that a Zoalord is being designed to rely on a Zoa-Crystal grown from "Alkanphel's own" to achive its type's full potential and with out it it's just a Hyper Zoanoid?

Well, like I asked in the subject, what is really the differences as I think someone posted during a topic that a Zoalord is just a Hyper Zoanoid with a Zoa-Crystal? But I would have thought a Zoalord would be far more complex to better use a Zoa-Crystal than any of the Hyper Zoanoids, plus does the crystal grant them the psionic powers or are they created during the processing of the Zoalord form? If so, what is the basic powers of a Zoalord since if the crystal doesn't grant them such psionic powers then maybe it is enhancing them and one trait pending on each Zoalord mutates to become something powerful and unique and possibly reflecting Alkanphel in some way? But when you come to think about it a little it would seem that all Zoalords, barring Alkanphel, are all possibly being designed around the Zoa-Crystals as in Guyot and Imakarum both are gravity Zoalords and use the same Zoa-Crystal. You would think that they would have made Imakarum into a different type of Zoalord but they didn't. It was as if the Zoa-Crystal, while enhancing the psionic powers, only has one element alignment and for that one it's gravity. So perhaps the Hyper Zoanoids are more like test beds for different designs for possible Zoalords, or not?

Well this is following in the "what if" and that being if the WG had been created or one of the units from that timeline fell into a alternitive timeline around the time the three units were found and then scattered to be picked up by those people. My question would be along the lines of what unit from WG could sho have gotten or if the WG event history did happen, and instead of unit 1 standard Guyver was instead another unit, that or a fourth unit was found and sho was the one to activate it. This unit for example could be either from the Warrior project, Nova or past test units, even a second fully complete Warrior Guyver maybe slightly more advaced than Jason's say having corrected on any flaws or making improvements to the functions and so on to the unit. But in the end if Sho had gained a different unit, how ever it came about, what would it be and how do you all think it would effect the storyline and time line with such a change?

Hi, it's been a while since my last question and ideas, here are a few. . . But what I want to find out about the Shadow Guyver is how powerful is his Mega-Smashers are as it isn't shown in the data file, then the next question is the Twilight Guyver own Mega-Smashers... could it be that it's not the power but the time it takes to charge and fire, as from what i understand with the temporal field quickening the unit shouldn't it also make the firing of most weapons faster like; head beam, Mega-Smashers and possibly sonic busters and pressure cannon? Though I am less sure on the last two weapons projection but they would be far faster than normal. Though I am surprised that the TG swords don't have a special effect like enhancment via temporal field, like it speeding up cellular decay or slowing it to a stop causing a deadening effect on some or most things like freezing and burning, though it's only an idea?