gelionlegends

Hi i know or think i know that somewhere the answer is possibly on the board and i am just asking the question another way. But on the bioships that are discovered by the guyvers and Cronos the Control Medal is very much like the guyvers correct? Then shouldn't it be possible for the CM to be able with time regenerate the entire ship like the guyvers control medal. Though i think it would take more time for the process to be completed as a bioship aka the relics are much larger than a guyver unit is. That and the processing power i know that the CM for the bioship is physically larger than the guyvers and is more powerful right? Though the next generation up to warrior guyver and black nova series CM's are more powerful. Is there a likely chance that a bioship could end up being given something like the warrior guyver's type of control medal. if so then that ship should also become more powerful as well as being able to process more data and compute even faster than the original CM of the bioships? Well the reason why was because of a story idea i had and had been reading up on trek voyager and wondered if the CM of a Bioship would be able to handle the computations for QSD or not. maybe needing more than one though i am not sure on what the advent really use if its opening a wormhole or folding space like in robotech.

Sorry if it seems to jump about or have the same question rephrased differently. Well just taking a part from my thread on Strength Level, 100 Men to Weightage. After reading a piece from Sully where he brings up the scene of how the guyver zoanoid fighting the human guyver and while he was winning lost due to his damaged control medal being hit by a bullet. This was where they were talking about how a remake of the dark hero guyver movie with better budget, special effect and so on would show that the first guyver zoanoid would be more powerful showing the difference between a human boost and a zoanoid boosted. But what got me thinking was that in both: anime, manga and live action there was a damaged control medal. You would think that the material making of up the CM would be hardier so that an explosion wouldn’t damage it; yes the explosion wasn’t the main cause for the 2nd units damage directly but it hitting a rock. But still a bullet or enhanced human being guyver or zoanoid would likely do something similar. That and when in the anime new, ova and also the manga elegan electrical attack caused the unit to freeze up. Still what this thread is about is that the difference in human boosted and zoanoid boosted guyver units that have a damaged CM. As stated the GZ has much more power but I think in the manga when the human boosted guyver unit was either used for too long or use of its weapons like the mega smasher it froze or malfunctioned. Would not this fact mean that with a guyver zoanoid mean that as it has more power running through the CM it would limit the power or start malfunctioning quicker? Then maybe both and that the bullet or further damage to the CM would cause the self-destruct of the organic self? I was thinking that the destruction of the organic side was its way of shutting down improperly? Still it brings up the question on damaged control medals and if an increase of power would slow the functions it provides down so as to better deal with the damage and if exerting this limit would cause the unit to freeze/malfunction during use or even start destroying itself. or if the increase in power will be the downfall of a guyver boosted zoanoids? This brings in the question of if the CM has a set of programs that stat what to do if damaged like limiting the power being used? As i think it’s said somewhere that the CM is a mixture of crystal, metal like material and organics to link in with the booster organism. So would a more powerful host shorten the usability of the unit time and increase the chance that in battle or testing the unit it will destroy itself? Not taking in additional damage from kinetic impact. There is also a question on if the sonic buster weapon of the guyver would have done damage to the CM. As it is a crystal I think inside the CM a damaged CM I would think would suffer more as it would vibrate within the damaged shell it has. While a undamaged CM would not be effected either that much or at all, if effected then likely acting like a CM attacked by elegan?

Well after rereading the spriggan novals i have i realised that i may hav made a mistake in that the omihalcon may not increase the power of the wearer, and that its just the artifical muscles doing that job. Though the omihalcon maybe a weave with the AM (Artifical Muscles) or like mesh layed or layered on top of the AM giving it the kevilar like protection. This is in the first book with the temple of fire where the main character explains the suit, though the rest like the weaving and mesh is more of my idea on how its linked with the suit. That and in the noah ark story line the scientist who either created the stuff or found ways to make it usable in the suits and weapons talks about how omihalcon hardens under pressure using the mohs scale of hardness of 27. So it makes me think that the omihalcon is sort of like a poor version of zx'toles kinetic armour? So it could maybe withstand some attacks better than the armour being used by the combat mecha and tanks but not with the vibrational sword or energy weapons. Though it make you wonder how heavy the stuff is when in sheet, ingot or plate forms? That and pending on how the AM is made it can either be made for speed or strength. So a suit of AM with mesh/weave of omihalcon along with the as pilot suit heat and shock absorbing ability plus shock gel under plates of omihalcon would in normal world make the wearer very hard to injure or kill. But with zoanoids the hyper zoanoid class nad higher would easily take such a person out.

Yeah i think the word i was looking for was "lethal" though dangerous can mean the same thing, but it tends to be taken as more powerful more often. So instead of a power explosion that will blow parts off or things up it sprays a cloud of liquid around the target area thats either a deadly poison, a napalm like attack or acid. so say for the napalm it could be two missles one carrying the liquid that would stick to the target and the second with the chemical that would ignith the napalm, though i am sure some will say in gasters and panadyne could just spray it and hit the target but this idea is more on that fact the person could be at range, plus could get the missle so a air spread is likely better. That and it makes me suddenly think of a FAB a fual air bomb with it exploding in air type attack. With zx'toles kinetic armour it took three pressure cannon blasts to damage/wound zx'tole, so with the guyver's bio-armour it should then be able to withstand a gigantics pressure cannon? So then its possible that it could withstand a normal guyvers full mega smasher, then maybe just one cell from the gigantics? With the bio missles then maybe they could take out half a city or quarter though i think that would depend on how large a city we are talking about? I was watching the guyver tv series and the scene where atpom absorbs elegan he is talking about how he is doing it and he says that he basically does a matter to energy conversion allowing him to gain both the needed energy to regenerate himself but also gain the zoanoids abilities? I am not sure if thats right? As i originally thought that he consummed the biomass of the being and through that gained the dna/genetics need for say vamores lasers or zx'toles lasers and kinetic armour same with elegan. But then in the base after forcing zx'tole away goes and absorbs the leg that was left behind? Still in the english dialog made me think of rogues ability from the xmen though unlike her until later in the comics she was able to control it and i think then later lost it. So maybe if i went with the idea of some mutant/zoanoid fusion then maybe restricting some of this to him having mouths in the hands that could take chunks out of the person. This way it would also in some ways stop him from having to do the merge though that could still be done just may take longer and could be risky ? Well i was thinking after watching nearly the entire series and when looking at atpom new form and later the enzyne 3's i thought why didn't barcus (sorry forgot his name and spelling but you know who i mean) use the fact that you could combine the 5 hyper zoanoid of tem five (besides what he did to zx'tole) and with enzyne 3 series to make a more powerful new hyper zoanoid. That i admit would look a lot like aptoms current form as having the whips from elegan makes them a lot more dangerous plus if possible to combine the qualities of the vibrational swords with the whips would make them similar to the gigantics own whip like swords and thus making the hyper zoanoid more dangerous. That and aptoms current form looks a lot more cooler than what zx'toles does even after processing? The guyver element i not sure if just using a normal unit or maybe getting the supreme unit with maybe a few minor upgrades? May end up doing two stories with one with the fusion xgene/zoanoid and the other with just an xgene both with guyvers but with the latter one being the more advanced unit?

I was thinking that either the main ZCM and the two dual secondaries would have the data needed to regenerate a totally lost CM though the main one the ZCM wouldlikely have heavy shielding on it and would remove itself from the unit by going into the hyper dimension to repair itself, leaving the scondaries to work on their own. So the ZCM would have the data to either repair or regenerate fully the two scondaries should they be damaged or destoryed completely? Though i think with a loss of a CM it would become less powerful and thus its state would become a less powerful form until the repair or regeneration is finished. Though the loss of the ZCM could take some time to regenerate as it would be the more sophisticated of the three CM's as it does contain a zoacrystal as part of the CM.

I am not sure how dangerous panadyna was or his type though i think he is or supposed to be a hyper zoanoid and explosive chemical reactions was one of the things that he could create. So theoretically he could have created other chemicals like posion, posion gas reactions as well as acids that could also be on the level of zerebubths own, enzynes 2-3? or greater as long as he had the ability to create those chemicals needed in such as well as possibly knowing what the formula needed to create such? Taking this into account then i think then the bio-missles of gaster combined with this in aptom could create much more dangerous bio-missles when used? I think that the bio-boost could super charge the reactions to greater levels and thus make the missles more powerful. Possibly taking all 18 bio-missles explosive power on the level of say a gigantics hyper smasher or as this is a zoanoid with a guyver unit maybe twice the level of the gigantics hyper smashers? I think most of the weapons and such besides the armour and regeneration are subject to the CM though its likely there is a more primative forms like the sonic buster but is located inside the mouth and maybe not as focused as the guyvers? That and maybe the guyvers vibrational swirds being claws and possibly less powerful? Really anything with an orb plus the mega smashers is likely something created via the CM and its either the CM, the parasite itself or a mixture of both that created the mega smashers as from what is said when the Gen wore the units they didn't have the MS or VS plus the level of energy the human or zoanoids do plus using what they did have as weapons though besides the head laser? I think that limiting such once the bio-armour is on (guyver activated) the host would be limited to what he or she has already got so aptom could possibly do the missles but not the zx'toles lasers or vamores, elegans electric attacks at high levels unlike when in that form. Really i think basing it like how a Zoalord has access to some of his zoaforms powers when in human form is the sort of way to go. And then what form of zoanoid mix he is in like his first stage after taking in i think it was vamore, gregore and enzyne 2 form if he had a g-unit then would have locked him in that and the same wit heach form unless he deactivated the armour and changed and then activated it again? As in his last form or his current canon form he has the zx'toles kinetic armour so the bio-armour in his guyver zoanoid form would be even greater and likely near the level of the gigantics own armour and shields? So maybe it can withstand a guyvers full mega smasher attack and up to a full gigantics attack as well? (have to find the post dealing with zx'tole kinetic armour and guyvers) I don't think the zoaforms low to high class (hyper and zoalord) use their bio-energy for anything else besides stamina and for their weapons like the lasers and such do they. By that i mean boosting consciously their physical abilities right? So if aptom could or really anyone in canon it would provide greater levels as they would be able to focus it into different areas better?

So it could be the bases for most of the Gen technology the Zoacrystal. Just that the guyver control medal is more advanced and sorphisticated in function which is needed for the control of the Bio-boosting organisum. And as the Gen have moved on i would think that while still potent but less refined the zoacrystal used in the zoalords wouldn't allow them access to the Gen technology or ships? As in relics point they couldn't get in and that it took the use of a guyver to access the ship and make it safe showing that the improvements in the zoacrystal via turning it into a CM. So a normal zocrystal or even a zoalords crystal i don't think has what it take to remove a active guyver unit, takes another CM made for that takes to reset/reformat the data in the CM to what it was before bonding and they leave the host. Though i wouldn't put it past Cronos to try and make one though it would be rather crude and less effective than the Gen types, so likely a 10% chance of unit removal. though with canon guyver artifical guyver 2 female i would think they have something in the works with all that data they have in creating or repairing (if it is guyver 2's CM) how to delete current user information. Though i think even if they have a version of the CM remover they have built its likely that it could work on the female but likely be very less effective against the original units.

Yes well how do you do the calculation as i don't see how a WG vamore gets the strength of 1000 men, or the powered zerebubuth the 4000 men? The guyver zoanoid in his data file is stated to be a unit commander and i would have thought that he would be fairly strong like ramotith. Though he does look like a water type zoanoid. So what sort of sums do you use to help do this, as if i did a vamore with a standard unit or any of the others 5 men, 10, 15, 60, 90 men what would they be boosted as? so could a guyver vamore be 500 men, 200 men or 300 men? As i know that with a warrior guyver unit the vamore goes to 1000 men as the unit a WG is 400 men. So a gigantic has the strength of 500 men thus 200 tons. Though i think i maybe confused when you talk about raw power terms, as do you mean the weapons the gigantic unit has access to being 20x more powerful like the mega smasher or as they are called hyper smashers being greater than the WG own? Same with its other weapons being greater. Though i can see how such special abilities or the design type of the zoanoid and hyper zoanoids getting the most boosted out of bonding with a guyver unit. Like how a Derzerb could get the his heat generation ability greatly enhanced so his napalm attack would be greater, the inferno ram attack it can do would thus be even hotter and likely his armour skin would be even greater, and these three things would be noticed either first or secondary after either the speed increase or strength increase?

So a main CM merged with a zoacrystal and two seperate CMs with say two CMs each and about a nova level units CM to provide power/processing as well as redunancy in case of a loss of one of them? Just in someways allows the unit to function till either the damaged one repairs or it becomes to dangerous and cause the unit to withdraw from battle?

Bit iffy really on the aptom vs strength form really and by that i am looking at aptoms current form i think bases on all physical abilites like strength and speed while keeping himself open for his flight ability. As i am not sure if he surprised someone or a zoanoid while in human form with being more stronger than he should have been? If that did happen then wouldn't that sort of though out some of the mass or form limitation in that regard. As it could mean that he is making his mass, the muscle mass smaller and more tightly packed to make him look like a human and still have access to the greater strength of a hyper zoanoid, if thats the way it goes then if he looked like gregore he would still beable to use the derzerb strength Sort of like how the giver compacts the muscle mass, or how enzyne 3 has a slimer body but still has great strength even though it isn't as bulky. Nor could he do derzerb's napalm trick either. So if he was to absorb panadyna who is supposed to be a chemical master or such he could possibly enhance the missles that way. When i talk about a guyver gaster i don't mean aptom having already absorbed gaster i mean a normal gaster getting a guyver unit would it not boost the potency of the chemicals of his so that the missles would gain greater explosive power than before. So say something like one of the guyvers arms or a body part regenerating without the control medal which would be i bio-boosted monster/creature, what would be the chance that aptom would be able to absorb that and not be taken over by the parasite? then would he gain some of the abilities that are granted to those with a CM. Though i understand that most of these are likely given thanks to the CM, but he could gain some of its powers like say the bio-armour? Well i assume that if he was already transformed into his battle form his current one then he would have access to those abilities in that form when boosting. Though being a guyver then i think he would be limited to 1-3 different power/abilities he could access like the missles as he showed that he could use them while he was human though he created them in his fore arm which doesn't mean that he couldn't create them else were on his body.

Rereading this i wonder about a few things. With aptom gains the new abilities and uses the best or more powerful ones, like gregore 15 and derzerb is 60 so anything that is an improvement is used. But does this also mean that if he was possing as gregore he would be limited to gregore's strength or would he have access to derzerb's strength? So with feeding or with the more advanced zoaforms having greater bio-energy levels and increasing his own levels, he could boost the power out-put of the energy weapons like vamores bio-lasers. Would that include the bio-missles of gaster as well? using the bio-energy or is the bio-missles dependent on the chemicals gaster creates and i think places/injects into the missles? That and does aptoms bio-missles go further than gasters because of the greater bio-energy levels he has. Though with gaster if he was to gain a standard guyver unit his bio-missles would increase in power as i am not sure how powerful a single bio-missle is though i know that one missle is powerful enough to destroy a guyvers v-sword though isn't that because it hit the area that the sword comes out from? That and as the guyver regeneration rate is much greater than most zoanoids so a guyver gaster regeneration rate would be even greater plus GG would i think gain the ability to replace his bio-missles much faster than normal (this isn't including enhanced gaster of WG with this improvement it now has). GG i think could have a greater range for its bio-missles likely thanks to the guyvers sensors having a greater range and as a Guyver Gaster would be greater. So it would be able to target beings further away plus i think if the original gaster doesn't or can only do it limitedly target more people like 3-4 at a time with the unit and its CM allow it to target more like double or triple that at a time. And as gaster missle all 18 of them would be needed to kill a guyver so its likely just 3-6 could be enough to kill a standard guyver and all 18 would be just overkill as it would likely destroy a large amount of the area when used.

So i did a chart to show the levels of men to tons. So a strength of 200 men is equal to 80 tons which is how strong the gigantic is. While if i got the sum right for the guyver zoanoid has the strength of 1500 men which is 600 tons. The chart using your formula goes from 5 men up to 10,000 men and so the tons goes from 2 tons up to 4000 tons. Though how do you calculate the boost given from the guyver unit when someone has say 5 men or 20 men already? As gregore has the strength of 15 men and bonded to a standard unit would that mean he would have greater strength than a standard guyver same with vamore and ramotith would be still stronger than a standard unit. But i think i asked this else where but how strong is the zoanoid that became the guyver zoanoid? Also with the vamore bonded with a WG or zerebubuth powered form is bonded give WGV 1000 men and the GPZ 4000 men. Though it confuses me how the strength to boosted states are done?

So would that mean that the zoacrystal is the zoanoid eqivalent of the guyvers control medal? Hense why it could be absorbed by the unit when activated or linked to as i think that a zoalord would be able to use his zoacrystal without the need of transforming into the guyver form to access it?

So if the control medal was advanced as either the Dark nova or normal nova units and was a dual or tri medal arrangement with 1,2 or three zoa crystals would boost the units power and processing rates to greater levels. As you have said the CM of the nova units are twice as powerful as a standard CM so if the unit had two or three CMs it would be equal to 4-6 CMs. Would that bring it near the level of the WG unit own 4 parallel CM's? I am trying to run with the idea of the CM with one having a Zoacrystal to enhance its power and provide a backup CM or two backup CM's that together would allow more power without the GZL problem cropping up and causing problems. Though would only one segment of the CM it it was 2-4 CM's cause problems as at this moment in time i am thinking of processing power like a CPU in a computer if having one processor more powerful than the other will cause the system problems? Though one zoacrystal enhanced CM with two nova type CM could come close to being that CM's processing power. Though if the Nova type CM had the same technology that is in the WG CM or whats used in the Kavzar types then it could be more powerful. As if the angel process was used then its basically taking the host to the pinicale of its species evolution and thats likely through genetic manipulation unless the host is already able to provide the needed power and is able to withstand the stress created from the unit sort of like a zoanoid may likely not need the alterations, pending if its a standard class or a hyper class.

Though in jasons case he has the choice on weither or not to be transformed beyond what he is. Which begs that age old question what does it mean to be human, or what defines a human being? So does this mean that the more advanced the CM is when merged with a Zoacrystal the greater the chance that a Guyver Zoalord will be created. As from a quick read of the kavzar class they must use a altered but standard class or CM to stop that from happening. Though i am not sure if it would be possible to have a program that controls how much power is given to the host or something to stop that from becoming a reality? So would just one crystal be enough and not having all the CM's merged with a Zoacrystal to give it the needed boost to the level of the dark nova and dreadnought classess? But having multipule CM's would run less of a risk that the host would be come like the GZ? I was thinking that the CM how it appears in the WG unit is much larger than the one that a standard guyver has. So having more than 4 the CM besides the shape becoming much more different would also become larger to handle that many? Though it could just become something like a grouping of hexagonal CM's thus maybe keeping the shape of the first CM of the standard guyvers? Well i didn't mean that the CM would become linked to the smasher cells but be located in that general area. Then again one would be in the centre of the chest area but behind the cells and the third would be in the abdomen of the unit, maybe behind the gravity orb but not to close like the second CM to better protect it? So if the nova units had another CM like the first or more up to 4 there is a chance that the unit would approach some where near the same level of the WG baring the technology used in the WG prototype or finished WG. Though i did notice that the is little if no information given about the CM's of the Nova units nor if the Dark nova now that its been upgraded with WG-2 technology states if the unit now has the 4 CM's that the WG has? Yes that was basically what i was thinking. Though while we are limited in potential that is shown through the guyver boosting humans. Humans via the zoaforms show that they have great potential for genetic manipulation. As humans are the base stock for the zoaforms so if they didn't have that potential for diverse genetic alterations and mutations, humanity would have been considered a failure. Yes i suppose it is though from the looks of it with angel the process is either not perfected as the host lost some or nearly all of her memories. Or that was the design of the unit to take a host and then erase nearly all the momries that create the personality so as to make a host that can be controlled easier without any attachments to its life on that world/planet? But do you think that this would be a good feature in such a unit if used to gain the full potential that the unit has?

So basically there are two items that control the basical power potential of the unit. 1) Host 2) Control Medal The more advanced the CM and thus more efficent, able to process more and multipule tasks at the same time and how much power is given to the systems so that they work at the limit of the host is capable of using. With more advanced regeneration allows for the units more powerful systems to be used more at higher levels, though the CM would allow for this and work at lower levels so as to not risk burn-out of the host. Then the host, the more advanced it is the more power it can handle while as a guyver? So if the CM was more advanced than the WG and maybe approched the level of a matrix in processing ablitites plus the zoa crystals implanted or fused into each part would also boost the power ratio. Though the more CM's you have would mean that the size of the over all CM would either be larger or needs to be miniturized so that you could get more in? If larger then it could end up being something the size of a gigantic of larger which means that the unit over all size would be the size of a gigantic or larger to handle holding it. Though i think another way would be to have a max limit to say 4-5 segments and any more and a new placement would be needed like in the torso i.e. the chest area and ifa third placement is needed then it could be either in the chest area again or in the abdomen, if in the chest then it could be located one each behind the mega smasher cells. Though i understand that in the cases of the nova units and the dark nova plus the angel guyver their control medals are either the same level of power as the WG 4 CM's or approach it. Though in the case of the nova units bar dark nova the zoacrystal with the black hole in it maybe the cause of the units high level of processing power. Though even after getting the amount of CM's for the unit done the host is still the weak point as shown that a zoanoid from the standard weak level like say vamore when boosted by a WG unit becomes even more powerful than a normal guyver and also (i think this is right) a normal WG. Thus if a hyper-zoanoid or even one of the zoalords got a advanced unit would make the new being more powerful. So taking a leaf, page or pasage from the angel unit the only way for the unit to achieve the full potential of itself would be via its host by which it would modify the host over time to be able to handle the higher levels of power like how the angel unit is currently doing. That is really the only way bar a zoanoid or some alien species that can become more powerful naturally, could this unit achieve its full potential. So the units CM program could work with one segment and as it changes the host the more CMs segments come on line or usable by the host. Or the standard 4 WG CM is usable and when the host has changed enough a new segment from another CM placement becomes active. This arrangement i think should allow a human host to reach a point between the dark nova unit and the dreadnought gigantic, though thats not including a gigantic unit of its own. (Though i start thinking about canon artifical guyver 2 females CM as it looks like two CMs that haven't been properly worked out).

When i look of this part of me thinks that this unit when the parts are done properly could be on the level or greater than a, say standard gigantic warrior guyver while its as a normal unit size. As the control medal would be approching the level of dreadnoughts though as he has a fragment of the matrix in his. But as this is supposed to surpass the warrior guyver as well as bring it near equal to the dreadnought but with out the matrix as giving a version of this unit to one of the creators own would be counter preductive having a fragment of a matrix. Though i understand that the creators of WGU don't have one but want one so that is lucky. Though the unit wouln't have the abilites that even this fragment of the matrix has granted dreadnought it would still be very powerful and deadly, maybe with some of powers that either units have displayed though maybe not dreadnoughts but close enough plus what powers a zoalord has shown? Forgot that the warrior guyver types have a adaptive ability towards chemical, viral and biological attacks that harm the units biological nature like enzyme and other zoanoids.

The reason why i was looking at the zoacrystal combined with the WG's CM was that i assumed it would boost the processing power that the WG CM was working at and grant even better function, as well as to handle the other systems demand and power. If i understand that the WG HSL is installed in the CM so the ZC (Zoacrystal) would then possibly also act as a alternitive power back up to allow the WG to function either at the same level or near enough to make only some or small amounts of difference in operation. I hadn't thought about the WG gravity shield or the fact that the guyver uses gravity in that way to enhance or grant the host such physical feats. So the BN Singularity would thanks to the WG GS (gravity shield) grant the guyver strength of what 1400 men or would it be more in line with dreadnoughts strength level? So the gravity orb that a normal guyvers use to draw energy from the boost dimension is more like a primitive version of the CPM which is also a less advanced version of the HSL. So if the Gravity orb was a combination of the WG gravity shield, CPM and another system would grant a Gravity orb near BN levels of gravity manipulation as well as energy drawing in the levels of a CPM. Then combined with the technologies of the Black Nove Project the units ability to control and manipulate gravity would be that much greater than the WG and on par or maybe slightly greater than the Black Nova units. From what i understand that the gravity shield of the WG was created as a way to counter the black nova project gravity based units. Also if we left out the Black hole natural or artifical which would limit the unit in someways like energy the technology and research data should still be able to create a gravity orb that would be able to do somethings like the matter to energy conversion and its likely that it can allow for absorbing energy attacks as well? So the unit lacks the black hole that grants the black nova its level of power. But thanks to the technology and data the gravity orbs can still work at the same level of control over gravity. When the unit is either in danger or the HSL system goes down a special or fall back system grants the user a powerful defence field that activates when attacked. The field enables the unit to convert matter to energy or absorb energy based attacks, thus granting a limited supply of alternitive energy and protection. This would have to mean there is also a limit to how long and much the field would be able to do this. As the gravity orb lacks the black hole to handle the level of conversion or absorbion it would have a limit. That and instead of one orb say it has two more that acts as secondary systems to handle the power as well as backups incase the main orb is damaged or destroyed? They would be locaed on the waist as well but say on the hips so that its less chance of being taken out along with the main orb? That and momentum enhancer organs and such i was thinking that having smaller orbs located on the lower legs and fore arms that could be used to channel the gravitational energy to enhance the punches and kicks by transfering heavy gravity from the limbs into an attackers body giving more crushing blows? Also the BN tech i think could also enhance the level of power in the units energy weapons like the BN can with its mega smashers using gravity, though maybe this gravity lens can be used with the head beam or in this cae energy matrix to increase the output greater than normal? Though not sure how this would effect the durability of the unit as it would be a combination of the black nova tech and the warrior guyver. The black nova's durability was enhanced thanks to being high molecular density (HMD) plus having a high power level, plus it was able to withstead a full guyvers double mega smasher. A warrior guyver is twice as tough as the standard unit but also has a energy shield to help it also with stand the stress the power of the unit puts on itself besides physical damage> So really i think that it would be dependent on if the unit was also HMD and if so would it still need the structural integrity field? As the field could still be used for physical damage but less for integrity. Though as the unit is very high powered then having that would be also be good. Though i think having the shield around the control medal as well as its ability to withdraw the host as well as itself back into hyperspace to repair itself and the host a good thing. healing/regeneration rate could be standard to the class type 10 times faster than normal units or slightly higher but with the CPM and matter to energy/absorbion rate when active could be used to enhance/boost the rate or repair to both the unit and its control medal (if damaged)? Plus the hyper sensors seeing as there are a veriaty of different ways that the different units used some being better in some areas than others. That and would the standard arrangment of just two or like the gigantic four be better? Then there is the matter of what the swords would be as you have different types from the polymorphic types able to stretch to great distances and change shape to energy based ones and also those that are either polymorphic or standard that can have energy pushed through them to enhance its power? Using a a energy matrix module could allow for a range of different types as it can generate matter so it could be used to generate polymorphic ones to plasma based. With solid swords when cut off or disengaged from the unit would disolve quickly or dependent of a time limit being set to pin something or someone. That and a EMM could be placed at the back of the head as you notice that there isn't a unit that has such plus all weapons or energy based weapons are focused on attacks from the front. Though the blast wave and such i think could be a way to compansate for this, so having a small beam weapon located there would cover up that area as the unit wouldn't have to turn around to attack enemies coming up from behind while fighting whats in front of them. True just a say head laser wouldn't be much be it would still be enough to stop or slow such but with a EMM would give a large range of options like sonics and plasma.

Not sure if i understand the zoa crystal properties but is stort of like a energy enhancement and from wht i think i understand is that it being used in computers can enhance the poewr of the systems (though this is i think theoretical). Though as i understand tht when applied to the control medal it boosts its processing power and power levels? Plus it (not sure) when possibly combined with the other orbs of the guyver like the gravity orb, head laser, sonic emmiters and sensor orbs increases the power or makes it easier to manipulate the energies used and increase the power or focus it. That and it can be used as a shield emmitter crystal and when damaged or removed (destroyed) regenerates. that and i am not sure if its been done but a unit that can block HSL and also drain stored energy though not sure if the unit is able to absorbed the energy it takes from the stored bio-energies. Though i think it or something may have been in the guyver eliminator though that may have also used the HSL drawing the energy for itself. But this unit would weaken the guyvers a well as the different zoanoids to make them easier to subdue or kill, so the more units active in an area the weaker and harder its targets become.

Well its been a while and i also wondered about with all the new tech the creators/advent (which ever the name for them is) have created since the past and that they are trying to recreate the project. I they were to use the new tech and what they have also used in the creation of their kavzar and likely from the other realities (big leap there for those tech, minus the warkar thats got to much) plus wht they have seen from the creation of the matrix guyver and its gigantic form. What would they add to the unit, why and what limits would they place on it. As i would think that with the new prototype units they sent to earth which one of them was a clone of the original warrior guyver prototype and each had in some ways new or improved abilities or weapons systems and sensors, but they all had a kill switch if i remember right so that they couldn't be used against them. Like the fusion of the kavzar control medal and warrior guyver 4 segment control medal along with the extra crystal in the chest. plus the recall system and shield system the WG type medals have to protect and regenerate either or both the control medal and host. And the type of gravity system that the dark nova unit has. Using the energy matrix module that the is a addition to the unit either replacing the vibrational blades or only on the fore arms facing forward and the hed beam. Though it could also be used to work with or replace the hyper smashers, being still able to fire the same strength and type of beam weapon but also different types instead of the partical beam. That and a special system that could use one or both H-cells as a energy generating source for the EMM (or for other systems from defence and regneration to name two) to increase the power of the EMM (Energy Matrix Module). As i am sure a lot of people hav imagened a guyver unit head butting another unit or a zoanoid (any type) and besides worrying about damaging the medal but also being able to project something else instead of a heat laser, like a metal spike and leaving it embbeded in the attacker/victim. Some of the warrior type abilities are useful as i then don't see them being left out like the adapt to hazards like the poisons and such that some of the zoanoids are being created or altered to have being left out, or the body shield either. Though not sure if the black hole that the nova units have would be much use as the unit would have the HSL so maybe as a back up energy source as or if when either the unit loses is ability to connect to hyperspace resulting from either over strain to that system or damage. While the other idea is being blocked from gaining a link or like being severed from it the unit can then start drawing from its micro black hole? Though as i remember there is also the cyclone matrix system that give a tempary boost to the systems when or if needed so maybe that could be there instead of the MBH and used more for boosting repairs systems and regenerating than for combat but useable for that. That and i was thinking about a system that keeps most of it locked away till needed or as a disgiuse to make the unit look like a normal one to some extent baring some of the enhancements. Plus having a gigantic armour already installed that would do something similar to normal gigantics boosting the abilities of the unit when needed but locked till needed. Though some of these weapons systems and such could be used on a standard unit like the cyclone matrix and zoa-medal for the EMM and camoflarge system. Not forgeting the acaear type units tech as well I am sure that there are other systems and better ones or someone will have different ideas than what i have put i and i would like to see what sorts others on this forum have for creating such a unit. As with a limiter that when situation is need it would release the improvements on the systems would likely seem to those watching that the unit is evolving when its just opening new features for the host use.

Yeah i have read those as i have been very interested in the nanosuits used, with the N2 being better than the mark 1 suits. The only real flaw with them being the power storage and the efficentcy with using that power as i am sure that it gets wasted. So a battle with a zoanoid even the ones from canon would really depend on how fast the N2 user can kill it as take to long and it will likely kill him instead. Though with that thought in mind on the nanosuits and then guyver i wonder how a female would look in one, as the suits make the males who wear them look very large like on a body building program, would they be slimer sort of like the guyver.

From what i can see to that in some ways the N2 is like a weak guyver unit, but also like the Aceaer Units. Why like a Aceaer Unit well in this the unit can be switched rather easily as the Aceaer Unit on partially bonds with its host/user. While the N2 as it has computer connections i would think that it could be in most cases programmed to release the current user, but whatever prophet did or went through it seemed to have activated in such a way that it bonded to him or without a admin from crytek to release the bond it required him to kill himself. The N2 while it lacks the high level energy supply as its systems are energy hogs in which: armour mode, power mode and stealth mode take up a great deal pending on which one is used, how fast you are going and what damage if any you are taking. Still in some ways the N2 has a leg up on the other cyber guyver before the dimensional coupler was gained, as they both shared the mains plug to hook them into a large energy supply to recharge or top them up. But with the N2 it could slowly recharge though absorbing different ambient energies like heat, radiation, sun light and a few others like dead bodies or decomposing ones. The N2 in the case of Alcatraz in crysis 2 from what i have learned and from the book crysis legion, with Alcatraz badly wounded in the lungs, heart and other major organs and areas the suits material the just didn't bond and heal but take over the damaged organs to get them working again and like improve what their function was. Like the lungs the suits material like does a better job at taking in oxygen and also likely absobs the carbon dioxide for its own use when it would be expelled from the lungs. The heart is the same as the nano material does a better job of pumping the blood and putting oxygen in and taking out the carbon, though its likely the N2 could go further and bypass the need for the lungs and pull the oxygen straight into the blood stream while the heart cycles the blood round the body. The speed of the N2 well its fast enough say 60 or 70 mph as on some levels in power mode which combines strength and speed in one, you can set the traffic cameras off and get a speeding ticket or it could be closer to 100 mph. Though that is when power mode is use as when not in use the N2 may be slightly faster than a normal human. So the one of the first things that the N2 would need would be a dimensional coupler which would fix the problem of the energy supply, the second would be the processing power the cpu as i think what it has isn't up to the same level on what the cyber guyver has and defiantly not what the normal guyver units have or the Aceaer Units either. Though if i am not sure if a defence program would be installed in the N2 like the guyver has and likely the Aceaer Unit has when the host become unconscious dew to some force like kinetic force knocking the host out or telepathic attack or being overwhelmed by a attack that inflicts a large amount of pain. With this installed additional systems could be added as the sensors are inferior to those in the cyber guyvers in range and likely power. These units place one the N2 would likely look like the sensory orbs or the guyver but likely be fixed in place so more than two would be added to grant all round coverage or nearly all round coverage. Considering that the N2 is nanotech i would think that with the bonding it would instead of showing data on the visor i would be inclined to believe it would show it directly to the brain or eyes. It has the advantage over the robo guyver in that it can repair itself though how fast that is i am not sure. The weapons well with it being better in some respects to the robo guyver and less to the cyber guyver, i am unsure if it would be able to have them all, though likely have the E.M orb that replaces the gravity orb and maybe thanks to that increase the protection of the N2 from EMP attacks. Though how big are the dimensional couplers? as a thought hit me that if they are small enough then wouldn't it be possible to have more than one like 2 or four at the max. With one - three being used as back up if the main one or two are damage. Having more would put more strain on the systems of the N2 but it would allow for using the more potent weapons like the mega smasher like a normal unit, though that depends if it has a mega smasher as i could just have a Powerful laser instead. With the extra D.C or just the one i think the overall base for each mode would be increased by something like 10%-30% though that is just a up in the air guess on the level it would increase by. As two flaws with the cloaking system of the N2 is that moving drains energy and moving faster drains it even quicker while shooting a weapon or basically attacking causes the N2 to drop out of stealth mode. Part of this i could see being fixed with the D.C in the drain when moving around or running but the attacking well that could remain the same or maybe not? Though you have to wonder if the fusion cannon would be possible to add to the unit maybe instead of the mega smasher? Though i would think the railgun that the Aceaer Units have could be duplicated to some extent though the N2 would have to carry around a supply of material or even bullets to use it. With the first game with the Nano suit mark 1 which the Koreans deployed their version, i understand that at some how they were able to either recover a full suit that didn't self destruct or parts of them and reversed engineered the technology but while its was a great boon it wasn't as good as the original N1 as it had a weakness to e.m.p attacks while the N1 had a better resistance to such. With the other modes the Korean version also had a flaw in the cloak mode as you could hear a hissing sound, the armour mode and strength modes also i think had a weakness as you can see that the strength mode when used the K-N has claws added to it to increase its attack power and the armour mode. Well they added torso armour to increase that area of protection which seems to imply that the armour mode was not as strong as it should be so an extra layer of protection was given. With some of the problems fixed like energy and the c.p.u power level increased i then would think it would take some time for the other systems that are wanted to be added are likely going to take some time for them to be altered to fit onto the unit. If such a thing did happen in the WG Universe i would think it would replace some or most of the robo guyvers, but likely still be weaker than the organic versions its based on and also the cyber guyver.

Basically the N2 is a more primitive version of the Cyber Guyver. Though with Some modification from studying the Cyber Guyver it could be possible to incorperate some of the systems like weapons or sensors into the suit. Though it would be similar to some extent to the Aceaer unit in that it can be taken off but it also provides some enhancements to the host. Like speed, though the N2 is more of a earth tech type attempt to create some of the guyvers functions?

Well it just came to me if it were possible to add systems from either the guyver units or maybe just the cyber guyver and Aceaer and the Hyper-Aceaer. What systems would they be an what flaws or limits would there be to putting them on a Nanosuit from Crysis. To be spersifec the Nanosuit 2. Though i am sure that if the N2 was to be compared to a guyver or any of the zoanoids it would be fairly weak as i don't know that the strength, speed or armour to name a few would rate againest these guyvers and zoanoid types. As looking at it, the N2 looks something of a knockoff of a cyber guyver and a warrior guyver with the cloak ability. So if this were possible what systems could a N2 handle and if any what flaws or limits would there be. Though the main two i could see would be the proccessing power need for things like the sensors or G.O or E.M on the control medal, as well as the cloak, Not forgetting that basic overall power to uses these advanced systems would likely require something like the DC or HSL as well as refining and improving the power management and such.

Well after so long i am back. Well while tralling the net i came across a few things that brought me another idea that would fit in with what i originally suggested. The part on mutant power for the charracter in this maybe its a watered down version of rogues power and the character after ending up in a parrell reality where the chronos - human/guyver war has broken out sort of like in "Warrior Guyver". So the Zoalords of this earth are more advanced in their manipulation of dna and such. So they alter after studying the x-gene as in this reality they may not have such so no mutants. After studying it they alter and improve it as well as experiment in trying to recreate aptom though this new test subject. The idea i had on this is that instead of just grabbing the x-gene from whoever he is touching it grabs (think like RPG plays raiding a village or such places and taking what they need/find useful, and leave what they don't want.) say from logan the healing factor and bone claws but doesn't take the x-gene that orignal created/generated it. Sort of like the x-gene create or alters the body to be able to heal fast and the catalist is the x-gene which can mutate and improve itself, like a new mutantion. But it still makes some sort of alteration that provides the healing ability. So the character touchs logan and gains this sort of like a selective progam what works best for the being, though maybe its limited to only being able to take some things or so much. This is were the zoaprocess comes into play as they alter it and him so that he can take in some of the dna (blood, flesh, bone/marrow etc) like aptom can to the point of full consumpion like he does. This way he can gain the full benefit of what isn't taken in by his power that and it is then able to get rid of what isn't need (his own organ or such is as good or better) or store it for a later time to use it like how aptom can call up different dna and use it. Though this also brings with it the possiblity that he could consiously or unconsiously (undermind at work) sort out and fix what is flawed in one form like gregore strength of 15 and the balanced form of ramotith speed/agility/strength 10, would when the two forms are combined still be imbalanced. By this ST 15 (gregore strength) and Ramotith SP/AG/ST 10 still. What i was thinking some how he or his undermind or the mutantion works out how to over come this flaw and grant it as a all round thing. Though with the hyper zoanoids that is a bit difficult to work out myself as Derzerb and Thancrus are at oposit ends of strength and speed to each other. But i suppose what i was whining on about above with gregore and ramotith was the when taking a combined form of the two he would only have the speed and agility of ramotith and the strength of greogre. This idea on this last bit was him or it over coming this so that strength would be reflacted all round. Though having said that i was thinking that ramotith legs would be as strong as his arms like a ape so balanced but light in weight. While gregore is heavy and while his legs are poewrful to help him move most of his power is focused in his upper torso like the arms and neck. But still the idea of the mutant power like this helps i think a little with why the aptom like zoaform power, maybe with it comes the small ability to better himself like some improvements without having to find someone with them though minor compared to others. Though i think aptoms own healing factor out strips logans and sabertooths on healing ability though not sure if aptom has to focus on healing or it does so by itself. Though a small flaw i can see is some abilities it may not be able to copy like multiply ability to create copies of himself or maybe elemental manipulation or shapeshifting. Not sure on the limits but maybe those powers that effect the out side don't get copied, besides psychic/psionic powers or such, then again maybe they do? But with the ability to assimilat the dna of a person he would be able to access such abilities fully as he would be taking in the x-gene as well as some or all of the memoreis and such of the person? With shapeshifting i was thinking that aptom only shifts i think into those that he has sampled (killed in most cases) and not create new forms, like human ones. While mystique can do such even to the point of size and mass i think which is much greater than aptoms. As this sort of thing shapeshifting that mystique does could likely mean that he (character) may need to sample her dna/x-gene to grant himself the full ability? WIth something like cyclops eye blast i was thinking that combind with vamores lasers well maybe it boosts them so that they are much more powerful. That and i have been wondering on if the character would first have to transform (maybe a flaw) to be able to access the full abilities of what abilities he has gained or in what he can use them in. So limited zoanoid abilites but still able to do things like bring our lasers like vamore though maybe smaller and in a different place. Or Gasters missles like aptom does in the manga in some scenes. Though i think i asked this question that does aptom in human form have access to the hyper zoanoid strength and speed or is it limited. With the guyver unit i am still inclined to go for it though i admit that i have been fluxing between somethng like the standard unit and the more advanced units. That and mutant powers would have to be toned down a lot as some of these in the earth 616 are very powerful. That said this isset in the evolution reality so they aren't all that powerful and maybe they wont? Still that said i was thinking like i mentioned before that those with the x-gene would have to undergo special processing as they would have great diffculty in turning them into zoanoids thanks to the x-gene. So something like a lost number in that they are one of a kind but still able to reproduce, hmm sort of like the hyper zoanoids in being difficult to create. But after a few times of this happening chronos focuses on getting the right battle form to improve control and use of what ever power the mutant has. This also gives rise to cloning so madelynn pryor could make a appearance thanks to chronos trying to clone jean grey and make either a powerful zoalord or lowlevel one. That and it would be an experiment in cloning mutants, as well as creating copies of the x-gene from the original. Like cyclops eye beams the x-gene they try and copy into either vamore or one of the later hyper zoanoid models to increase the energy out put. But while it does in some cases it may not always do this as it could want to come out of the eyes like normal or hands instead of the weapons, that and it could be weaker than the original.