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Both actually. The only difference between the ones that replaced the Tomcats and the ones that will replace Hornets is the Radar and avionics. From what I understand they are going to replace the canopy with a much better design. But that is just rumor. You are right about that. But if you think about it, the Hornet has been like this for the past thirty years. YF-17 was enlarged to the Hornet then enlarged again to restore many of the abilities anf features lost from the redesign from the 17 to 18. As far as the engine goes, well... the engine was pretty powerful... maybe it was so powerful it sucked the blades into itself... While I agree that the current design is too large for what the Navy is planning such as the F-35 which can launch vertically, you still have to remember that it took decades for the Navy to realize that going with a smaller carrier does literally mean smaller capabilities.

I forgot about that. Since he is bonded with a Wyvern unit, Apophis can never ever bond with a Guyver unit. Remember when Agito turned himself into a Zoalrod in the hopes of becoming a Guyver Zoalord? Then he bonded with the Wyvern unit and ended those hopes.

So if for example a Matrix upggraded Temporal Guyver into Warrior Guyver class, wouldn't the efficiency and HSL systems of the Warrior Guyver unit give Temporal Guyver more abilities and better control over temporal manipulation.

Free for all. This has been done before, but hell with it. No alliance, every man for themselves. Who would win in a battle against each other? Warrior Guyver vs. Warrior Guyver. Who would win? No Gigantics, No Aceaers and No Matrixes. I didn't include Guardian since she would be the most powerful than any of the Warrior Guyvers. Nor did I include Female Warrior Guyver because she would naturally side with her husband. Obviously Warrior Guyver Vamore shouldn't either since he is very capable of killing any of the Warrior Guyvers.

I don't remember that she was grown in a bio tube. As far as I know she was grown the natural way within her tribe. Then the elders and adults trained her when she was old enough to fight. The training was probably passed down through time from the first humans who created that tribe who was indeed themselves were born from a bio tube. On top of that even though she is only 18 years old which is a modern conception that 18 years old is relatively young, being 18 back then would be the equivilant of being 30 years old now. Angel is probably a superior host as far as her physical condition is concerned. I don't think she is like Jason or a zoalord where they have power even while in human form, but she is probably in peak physical condition. On top of that she has her natural electromagnetic abilities. Faye as a Warrior Guyver would also possess the power of the HSL. So it could go either way. Armored, the fight would definitely go to Angel, since she is almost four times more powerful than Faye, and even with Faye in Bio Energy Doubler mode, Angel is still more powerful.

Yes, the Navy is saving money on the Super Hornet, right now. But what I am getting at is that the Tomcat with all it's flaws back in the 70's and 80's didn't start to fall apart like everyone says until around the early 90's. And that's because of age. Hornets are very much like Tomcats now except they break much more often and they are a between a Tomcat and a Super Hornet in terms how hard they are fix. Hell in order to get to the ECS systems they have to drop the centerline tank to get to it. The Super Hornet is on top instead which has it's ups and downs. In the end, the Super Hornet is not as reliable as the Tomcat was and will continue down that path as the airframes get older. Hell, look first generation Super Hornets. VFA-211 has Lot 23s I believe and they just got off cruise and the Navy is already wanting them to be upgraded to the Lot 29s or Lot 30s. VFA-143 has already been told to start designing a F-35 color scheme and they transitioned back in May 2005. It took 30 years for the Tomcat to be as reliable as it is today which I understand, but for the Super Hornet to achieve that would take a redesigned engine, AMAD, newer canopy design, new ECS system, more reliable Radar, and a multitude of smaller things. That is alot of money and from what I understand alot of what I mentioned above has been on the first generation Super Hornet since 2001. Obviously it's taking awhile for the Navy to fix the Hornet problems. The F-14 engines were never fully fixed but they got them to the point where they hardly stall anymore. The whole problem was fixed when they came out with the F-14B and D. The amount of work that went into the Super Hornet could have gone into the Tomcat and wewould have gotten a much superior plane overall. It would have been much more expensive, yes but the Navy would not have made so many compromises it does now. One glaring one is that the Super Hornet is incapable of bombing with low cloud cover, but that's the design overall. The Tomcat did this but that's because it had much higher speed so it could bomb much lower than the Super Hornet could. As far as Carriers are concerned, no one is seriously thinking about redesigning the carrier yet. Look at the British with their Queen Elizabeth class super carriers. They are very close in size to the Nimitz class. Incidently, the US and the British governments want to incorporate the new British carriers with the US fleet. Which is something I agree with since military technology is getting way too expensive even for the US. The new Ford class Super Carrier is very similar to the Nimitz class but introduced a few modifications. One is the removal of the fourth elevator aft of the island. Remember that these Super Carriers were designed back in the 50's to accomodate the much larger dimensions wise and weight wise bomber aircraft. But overall not alot has been changed since the USS Forrestal. Hell the Nimiz herself is almost 40 years old. The Enterprise herself is being retired in 2013, (which from what I am hearing now, the island will be moved onto the newer Enterprise of the Ford class, but that is just rumor). But the whole politics vs. Navy has always been around since the 1880's. Read about the early US Battleships like the Texas, Maine or Indiana class. Hell the Iowa is politically motivated design, but overall she is about the equal to the much larger Yamato class.

I can tell you for a fact that Super Hornets are not as reliable as a Tomcat. yes they are much easier to maintain, but they break much more often. Tomcats were heavily built up specifically designed as an interceptor and a fighter. It was meant to take on damage. Super Hornets and to a lesser extent the Hornet do not have nearly the robustness of the Tomcat. On my last cruise we were averaging for every one flight hour, between 18 at the lowest to 95 man hours. That is more or les equivilant to a Tomcat. These planes are the Lot 27s so they were only built 2005. Whereas the Tomcats before that were around 20 to 30 years old. As far as the reliability that is propaganda. There are also a quite a few design errors in the Super Hornet as well. One of the bigger ones are the insulation for the fuel cells (when they go up in higher altitudes, the fuel sometimes will turn into slush and wear down the fuel valves) and the canopy. Also let's not forget that they were upgrading Tomcats up until their last flight. For instance VF-213 during their 2005-2006 cruise already had the ROVER system installed but when they transitioned into the Super Hornet which are Lot 27s and Lot 28s, they had to get that installed as well. F-14 has always been on the chopping block since they first came out. It was one of the reasons why the Navy got Hornet. Their high cost and they are cvonsidered to be the first Super Fighter. In fact actually there was a study done in the mid 80's that it would take 189 Tomcats to do the job of 290 Eagles. The F-14A that was all know was actually not even supposed to be the production run. There were problems with the engines which were going to be used for the proposed F-14B. That got cancelled and the F-14B we know is actually another term for F-14+. As far as upgrading the Tomcat into modern standards at least with avionics would not cost as much as let's say the first generation Super Hornet's. They were nothing more than larger Hornets with the same avionics outfit for the most part. It took the next 7 years to achieve what the Super Hornets have today. Upgrading the Tomcats could take the same approach. Yes, the airframe is old, which IMO is the only good reason why they shou;d have gotten rid of the Tomcat. As far as the carrier design is concerned, read Norman Friedman's US Carriers, History and Development. The whole super carrier song and dance has been like this for the past 50 years. It's really not going to change. In fact the only thing I see changing is the number of carriers out to sea. We are already down from 12 carriers to 11 carriers with the decommissioning of the JFK last year.

I agree. All types of fighting styles have strengths and weaknesses. Take Boxing and UFC for example. Pit them in a Boxing Ring with boxing rules and chances are the Boxer will win in that fight. Flip it around, put them in a UFC cgaed ring with UFC rules and the Boxer will lose. Most martial arts would take too long for any military to use. Mainly they use basic fighting techniques like choke holds and wrestling moves. (It is said the first minute is boxing and then rest is wrestling). Then they go from there and teach more advanced moves. One good example off of the top of my head for good special ops training Jason Bourne from the Bourne Novels/Movies. As far as Faye is concerned, even if she was trained from birth there is only so much you can teach a person within 18 years and become an expert in it. She probably has a mixture of those skills mixed with other things.

Must be one hell of an ingrown toenail. They can fix that pretty easily.

I don't think they can just simply slap on improvements. Though I think they can upggrade the lower zoanoids into the Neo tpye I think.

[Admin Note: Topic split off from What if... Part 4] Not so much with money. Without getting too deep into politics, people who has affected the world with their greed for more money and used that money to change how they got that money, are still remembered for what they did. ..Actually I will get into some politics. During the early 1990's the US Navy had this multi-billioniare program called the A-12. Screwups and more politics later the A-12 projected was dumped. But all that money that went into the R&D for that prgram sucked up all the money for the F-14D program. The US Navy wanted their entire fleet plus additional planes to be F-14D. Instead we ended up getting a mixed fleet of F-14A, B, and Ds. So the US Navy had no future planes for the next ten years. The US Navy instead decided years later that they had three options, until what eventually the F-35 comes out A). Build a whole new plane, would cost so much money that Congress would never authorize it. B.) Build a new F-14E type ranging from modest avionics upgrades all the way to what some call a F-22 killer. This would also cost alot of money. C.) Upgrade the stagnating F/A-18C into a newer version of F/A-18E/F. The US Navy as most of us knows took the last option. The US Navy didn't like this but there was a very specific and singular reason for it. Dick Cheney is on the pay roll of Boeing who builds the Super Hornet. He hates Grumman who builds the F-14. So the Super Hornet was choosen instead, which in many areas is an inferior plane to the Tomcat. He even around 1997-1998 ordered the tooling for the Tomcat to be destroyed, which years later he explained it was so that Iran would never get their hands on it. End of rant, but I could go on. However despite the propaganda that the US Government and the Navy say that the Hornet is such a superior plane to the Tomcat, mostly everyone will tell you that this simply B.S.

So how did you get to work then? Walk? Taxi? Olympic sprinting?

Yes. However Angel has programmed training within the unit. Which means she may have the knowledge but not the experience. Though she might have the edge since she may have more modern Creator fighting skills.

Because Apophis is a Lycanlord/Master Zoalord. With Praetorian unit his powers would surpass even than of a fully healed W'Kar. He is a follower of Anubis not a rival.

Because I forgot. Also when doing a poll, you can only have a maximum of ten choices. So there are about three or four other Female Guyvers missing on this poll. Though they are relative unknowns and some like Isis can ever hope to win the most skilled polls... maybe among 16 year olds or something.

So the last poll was who was the most skilled Warrior Guyver host, and the winner was Faye. So now the new poll is who is the most skilled Female Host for a Guyver. 1. Supervisor Agent Valcura: She is the alternate female version of Guyver 2. Presumably she would had similar training as Guyver 2. Though in the OAV in her battle with her version's Guyver 1, was much closer battle than the Guyver 1 vs. Guyver 2 battle. 2. Shizu: She has the knowledge of Guyver 3 when he was a Guyver. She might have additional training on top of that. 3. Mai Tsu: Not a clue. She might have military training. 4. Shara Tsunda: Not a clue. She might have military training 5. Faye: She was the winner of last poll. Has Creator level combat training. However she is only around 18 years old. 6. Anika Zenechka: Only 16 years old. The unit may have Creator level training since she has a far greater bonding process than other units. 7. Fiona O'Conner: She have learned a few things or two from her husband. 8. Mei Lynn: She has military Special Ops training. She may also possess martial arts skills, though i'm not sure on what level. 9. Jenny O'Conner: She is one of the more experience female Guyvers. 10. Keilynn: she is one of the most skilled Guyver hosts out there. If she is equal or greater in skill than her brother, she is able to take on a Warrior Guyver for a few rounds before her limited stamina gives out.

Oh... I thought we awere going to war or something... I would help if not for the fact that I have my own stuff I have to work on and on top of that I am in the US Navy. They don't give me that much time...

Obviously like I said that even with multiple examples of the Praetorian units (or hell standard Warrior units), it would take awhile for the AAR to figure out to just copy it let alone understand how it works. Of course assuming that they had the time to figure it out then it would be very possible for the AAR to reach at least stalemate with the Order or the Creator Empire. The AAR would have at least in this three-way war is concerned the more powerful foot soldier. As far as the Generals are concerned, it would take a few Praetorians to take one down.

..the victor.. Look at the Nazis for example. If they won, would they look at themselves 60 to 70 years ago and say that they were wrong?

It does show some of his intelligence that he had even as W'Kar. Interesting though, obviously Jarrod is a tatical chess player over the strategy chess player. Which shows that Jarrod is amatuer chess player.

...or Allen says that the unit was cloned/created for an army of millions. A good question is how does the AAR create their Guyver units. Do they clone them or do they create them mass production style? AAR should have a pretty good knowledge of how a Guyver unit works, maybe not enough to improve upon them though.

I seriously do not think that Anubis is one of those who shares power even with his daughter. If anything he might figure out how to merge with the second unit if he can, then if not he would destroy it. A W'Kar Alexandria would surpass her father in so many ways. Remember Anubis is still not fully healed and the W'Kar 2 unit is.

I know the feeling. I have had three laptops since 2002. The last two decided to destroy themselves without my permission. The current laptop is only 7 months old and is starting to show the early signs of taking a crap on me. 2 hour commute time? Holy Train Ride Batman! I thought my daily commute from Norfolk Virginia to Virginia each day was bad.

The hint is the base unit or the Zeus unit? I highly doubt his Warrior Guyver unit is anymore normal than WG2's other than maybe a few tinkering here and there that Solom himself did to the unit. From what I gather, Zeus is the product of the Solom's memory used by Agito (with his limit knowledge), and the Genesis Project. Agito used his basic knowledge of how the regular Gigantic upgrade works, then added a few things here and there. A CPM there, some zoalords powers there. The Zeus unit wasn't created by the natural means.

Skill usually is a good way to bridge the gap between strength/power. Well according to the poll, Faye won the topic. I agree that the Primitive Guyver is by far the most skilled host. This also shows something though concerning memory though.