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I sort of wanted to post this in the sports topic I started, but I don't know this site's policy on double posting or how long you can go before you can't edit a previous post, but that doesn't matter. Anyways, after seeing some of the antics from the F1 race this weekend and in NASCAR all year long, that drawing of Chibi Griselda keeps entering my mind. Can you imagine Shizu, be it in her human form or as Griselda, scolding or taunting Brian France or someone else who has totally screwed up fan perception of his company? Or even Natsuki or Mizuki doing the same? And you probably can guess what a chibi Agito or Aptom would be doing--or a chibi Aptom/Guyver I hybrid, though with that, I can see there being some disagreements between Sho and Aptom with how to deal with Mr. France. I may be biased because I love Shizu as a character, but I can't get Chibi Griselda out of my head after having seen it at Deviant Art. Just a cool, humorous drawing

I tried to point that out, actually (my comments about "Volume 11, Chapter 66, Page 20"), but even though I'm the one who brought it up, and I still believe that it's possible that Natsuki is a Christian based on that, there's a chance that she might not be Christian--it could be an implication that she's spiritual, but not necessarily a Christian, though if that's the case (that she wears a cross necklace because she's spiritual), it's highly likely that she is. Only issue is that aside from that hint and the fact that it seems to be widely assumed that she is a Christian, I don't know if as a character that Natsuki admits to being a Christian of some type, or if Takaya-san stated that she is. The wonderful thing about Guyver is that everything that Takaya puts in the manga has a reason for being there, and Natsuki probably being a Christian probably doesn't espouse his own religious beliefs, but probably marks Natsuki out in her role of being the moral support for Sho and Co. We already know that Sho has Mizuki and Tetsuro as supporters, but Natsuki does appear to play "team mom/big sis" at times with them and being a supporter of Sho and his cadre.

The observations based on Guyver I's revival in Chronos' HQ were based off the manga, the OVA and the TV series. I don't think that titanium would be used in those doors, because one issue that titanium has is its lightweight, which is comparable to aluminum--this is why titanium is used in jet engines/gas turbine engine, high speed aircraft, and in engine turbochargers, because it's light and very heat resistant. Not that it's likely, but I'd think that Chronos would design those doors to have some resistance to Zoanoids, most of which are no where near as strong as a Guyver, namely when it's host isn't holding back or when the CM is dictating the armor's actions. Titanium doors would be wise from a maintenance standpoint and it would take less power to raise and lower them, but they wouldn't be as durable. Also, when Guyver I breaks out of that storage room after the Zoanoids tried to trap him in there, it seems that the mega-smasher was used, because of how the Zoanoids were atomized as if in a normal mega-smasher attack. Also, in the OVA, an electro-magnetic pulse (EMP) happened, which is shown by the lights in Guyot's office flickering. The pressure cannon is a baby black hole-like energy blast made up of gravitational energy, while the mega-smasher is a particle beam weapon that relies partially on electrically charged particles for its power, and said power of the mega-smasher isn't always fixed. As far as how vampires can move even with their diamond/granite hard skin, their venom is what allows for that movement, as described here: http://www.twilightlexicon.com/2006/03/25/physiology/ Vampires are also extremely quick and can sense danger or peril very quickly, almost like a 6th sense, very similar to a Guyver's hyper sense organs, and, like a Guyver, the can react accordingly, Vampire hybrids and shape shifters have a similar ability. Vampires in the Saga are their own enemies in so far as that the thing that's most likely to kill a vampire is another vampire. Humans and conventional human weapons are basically as useless to killing a vampire as they are to killing a Guyver. The Guyver units, though, do level the playing field quite a bit, and the Guyver's long range attacks are a huge advantage relative to even another vampire. One thing about my story, though, that I don't know if everyone will like, it that there's a definite girl power aspect. The female characters do get a lot of page time, with narrations and the activities that they do and such, and there's an action girl aspect, too. I already mentioned my plans for Shizu--one of my favorite characters from Guyver, I think that she's too cool to get killed off, and a character that deserves more exploration. She becomes processed into a vampire hybrid, she basically become immortal as a result (vampire hybrids in Twilight are as immortal as vampires), and though she retains her quiet and reserved nature, and her kindness and gentleness, she becomes a more formidable fighter, has a slight temper (like Natsuki seems to have), and she develops a sense of humor and becomes more talkative. You won't find very many designated girl fights, but Shizu is a formidable fighter, and she can stay in her human form and use her powers and fight, though she doesn't, fitting her nature, fight very often. Even Natsuki and Mizuki get some page time as action girls. Natsuki continues her research and being "the brains" of the outfit, and she's still a cute nerdy girl and a sci-fi nut, and she can determine things about vampires, hybrids and shape-shifters, in addition to Zoanoids. So she keeps that about her, just built upon, and she outsmarts people and provides info to her allies. Mizuki, though, she's still the girl and Sho's GF and such, but she does have a few cool moments where she does kick some ass. Mind you, she's still human and she punches out a total buffoon, but, hey, he was askin' for it So my girls, be it OC's, Twilight vamps or Guyver characters, they aren't just window dressing, which in Guyver, Shizu, Natsuki and Mizuki aren't exactly window dressing (since they are a fighter/leader of men, a brainiac and moral support respectively) but they for sure get more of the limelight in this story than usual. That, and I just like the girl power deal as a writer, and Shizu symbolizes that a good deal as far as her role in Guyver. She's a leader of men and a fighter, but she's still feminine, caring, polite and gentle, as opposed to being gruff and insensitive like a lot of female heroes become at times. Now that I've talked about that and how certain things work in Twilight vs Guyvers, I do have to add one more thing about the actual comparison between Guyvers and Twi-pires: Twilight vamps can't fly, nor can they turn into bats. Advantage Guyver, since Guyvers can manipulate gravity to fly, though there are exceptions, such as Lia and Camel, who can fly to some degree, but pretty much not exactly like Sho or Agito can when they're in their armor.

Those are good theories and I can understand where you're coming from, but being familiar with the attributes of creatures from the Guyver universe and the Twilight universe, I do think that there are a few caveats. Knowing about the Twi-pires, they do have diamond hard skin. It's as impervious to conventional weapons as the Guyver armor is, and it's probably highly resistant to the anti-armor enzyme, so the Twilight vampires and vampire hybrids (which have a similar skin structure to vampires) would be at an advantage in a fight against Enzyme type Zoanoids relative to a Guyver, though upgrades to Sho and Agito's armor might cancel that out a bit--Gigantic Guyver and Gigantic Dark have the sheer power to devastate quite a few Enzyme IIIs with long range attacks, for instance. Also, though only to a limited extent (Twilight isn't really action focused), Twilight vampires do seem to have strength and agility on par with with at least a basic Guyver. In the manga and TV series, when Guyver I is regenerated in Chronos' HQ, he was trying to punch and kick down a huge, armor-plated steel door. Massive dents were made in the door, but only Guyver I's mega-smasher was able to take it down, though I'm pretty sure that the pressure cannon would've been just as effective. We have to remember that Sho wasn't in control of the Guyver armor at that moment, so the armor's control medal was dictating it's actions. Hence, it was attacking at full strength and full aggression, and probably whipped out the mega-smasher because the control medal though that Zoanoids were behind that door. Twilight vampires have demonstrated similar amounts of strength, being able to crush and dent thick metal. Of course, the speed deal might be a dead heat between a Twi-pire and a Guyver. It was estimated that Twilight vampires can run at nearly 200mph/325kmh, which is slightly slower than the top speed of an Audi R18 or Toyota TS030 Le Mans car. Of course, at GuyverSolution, it's said that Guyvers when running at full speed might easily be just as fast. So I think most of the major tests of strength, agility and speed, it's a push and whether or not a Guyver or Twi-pire would be at an advantage against Zoaniods and Hyper Zoanoids would depend on tactics and circumstances. In that respect, Guyvers might be at an advantage because they have more weapons and tactics to turn to if something doesn't work in their favor. Guyvers have more close range weapons (sonic blades mostly), and especially long range weapons, such as the sonic busters, pressure canon, and mega-smasher. Twi-pires can only use the tactic of beating the hell out of their enemies, which isn't a problem in my story, but if they'd rather use a longer-ranged attack, they don't have any alternatives most of the time aside from being shrewd with using traps and such. But against Enzymes, in close combat, then it's advantage to the Twi-pires and hybrids, as their skin is probably more resistant to the acid. As far as the vampire venom being acidic, the more active and animal blood feeders will have stronger acid in their venom, but even at that, most of the time, it won't do an insane amount of damage to a Guyver. It would have to be concentrated to have an effect similar to the enzyme or more powerful. However, the venom is flammable and--in my story--poisonous to most Zoaforms. There are a few examples, but it's a poison to most Zoanoids. As far as Guyvers go, though, even though the vampires can bite into the armor, the armor is resistant to such a poison, and such an attack will only do minor, cosmetic damage that can heal very quickly. Vampires (and quite possibly hybrids, too), though, can heal very quickly from damage from say the sonic blades (being able to reattach limbs and immediately regain full function, like Aptom and Enzyme IIIs), and can withstand the sonic busters and, depending on circumstances, the pressure cannon (some vamps are weaker than others, remember--more on that later). The mega-smasher can at least do significant damage, if not totally vaporize a vampire with a direct hit--if it can do significant damage to mountain sides, then it'd probably do a lot of damage to a Twi-pire pretty easily. As far as the shape-shifting wolves, they're pretty much on par with high-end Hyper-Zoanoids based on my reading of the Twilight novels. They'd have to be at least that powerful to take on vampires on equal terms. And like almost all Zoa-creatures, the wolves are pretty vulnerable to the venom being a poison, and a Guyver can easily do considerable damage to them in combat. But they can easily take on Zoanoids, even many Hypers, quite easily because of their speed, agility for their size, and ferocious fighting style, and even then, they can have numbers on their side in addition to that, too, since they hunt in packs with actual wolves. And there's the relative differences between vampires, too, that I mentioned. Human blood drinkers and sedentary vamps, such as the Volturi, would have problems with Guyvers most likely. They skin seems to be more like porcelain than diamonds, and they have weaker venom--to the point where the venom has reduced effect on Zoanoids and has virtually no effect at all on Guyvers. Hybrids are marginally less strong and fast than vampires, but they have their own advantages, them being human allows them to blend in more, and some have talents and abilities that make up for any such minor deficiencies. Most of my OC's, who are vampire hybrids, have the abilities to use gravity or elector-magnetic fields to use some weapons similar to the Guyvers, And they can also use any sword or knife like a vibroblade, too, namely their own custom-made bladed items. And then there's OC, the Army Officer that is (nick)named Camel. He can change his body to whatever circumstance or situation he wants to at will. This is sort of like what Aptom can do, but with some catches, namely things Camel can do that Aptom can't or things that he does differently. Camel only needs the DNA from whatever creature who's power he wants to adopt for himself. This is why most of his powers come from females, just kissing a female creature can allow him to use her powers and assume her form. Of course, there are other ways and means, too, such as killing and eating said creature, or just coming in contact with it's blood, venom or any other genetic material, but he does get powers from male creatures, too--he's an equal opportunity employer there LOL. But here's how Camel differs from Aptom--his abilities to mimick and adopt the abilities of other creatures extend to vampires, vampire hybrids, shape-shifters (rarely used), Guyvers, and other creatures, and he can imitate forms--including humans--to perfection and at will, and can mix and match supernatural and superhuman powers and abilities. Camel's mate Lia is also a strange case, in that she's a venomous hybrid, and can--albeit to a much lesser degree--manipulate her body to change, namely in that she can sprout wings that allows her to fly. And her powers, which are based on manipulation and generation of electro-magnetic fields would put Elegen's powers to shame by a massive margin, being more powerful and versatile. And as for the part human, part vampire, part Zoalord hybrid, for anyone who's read my other Guyver related post might be able to guess this one. It's Shizu. I'm a bit sentimental towards her, and I think she's a bit too cool to just up and die one day if she doesn't die and honorable death in battle, which is bad enough. She volunteers to become a vampire hybrid--a bio-engineered one--to prolong her life. She, in this story, ultimately becomes pretty much a full Zoalord because of that processing, and she gets all the abilities of being a hybrid, as well as her own powers and talents becoming enhanced, not to mention that she becomes immortal like a vampire hybrid. Shizu becomes a full on warrior--when she wants or needs to--and is, much like Camel, an awe-inspiring creature who does get to keep a measure of her humanity. However, she, like Camel, does try to use her powers for good and tries to avoid fights when she can, but you don't want to piss her off, or threaten innocent people or her friends. Of course, these characters or canonization of characters have additional powers,too--such as Shizu while I'm on her. Her hair seems to form the basis for Griselda's blades that hang from her head in that form, but in her human form, Shizu can use her hair to form tentacles/tendrils and sonic blades of her own, for example. And one other little thing. I know that Natsuki can ID/guess at people who might by a type of Zoanoid or would be a candidate for Zoaforming, Well, in my story, she can do the same with Shape-shifters, vampires and vampire hybrids. A little thing, but none the less a bit important in this story. But it must be remembered that this story is mostly light-hearted. It takes little jabs at both Twilight and Bio-Booster Armor Guyver, while also being an homage and tribute to those stories and being faithful to both of the stories. It's just a work that I'm writing for fun and and it's mostly a humorous action-adventure/sci-fi and comedy story. And it must be remembered that this is fan fiction, IE, my world, my game show, my rules I'm just havin' fun with it, and if anyone else likes it once I get it done and posted somewhere (I'm only 8 chapters in), then that'd be great.

I know that it's not mainstream over there, but that page in the manga is probably where the claim that Natsuki might be a Christian came from. There's a chance that she is, but unless she or Takaya stated it somewhere, it's not an absolute. I believe that it holds some value to her, be it religious or simply some sentimental value, but it's not an absolute. However, I can understand how it may've caused that assumption about her. Natsuki doesn't seem to be wearing her religion on her sleeve anyways, so whatever she may or may not believe in, unless she stated it in the manga or Takaya-san mentioned it somewhere, we don't have 100% proof of anything really. I believe that it's possible that Natsuki might be a Christian, but as I even posted earlier, it's not a 100% absolute piece of definitive proof. However, that's probably the origin of those thoughts and theories about Natsuki, though.

Well, I do like auto racing/automotive stuff and world history, especially World War II period stuff, such as strategy and weapons and technology. But then again, I'm a receptionist as far my job right now (a job associated with women) and I'm interested in things that women are as far as talking to them about it and getting/sharing opinions. Of course, you're also talking to a guy who splits wood during the winter with steel wedges and a 10lb sledge hammer almost every night. We all have our own traits. As far as Twilight goes, I did elect to read the book before I saw the film (it flew over my head until I found out that Kristen Stewart was in it--I saw and liked Speak, so I gave Twilight a try, albeit only after I read the novel first. And yes, I did work in a library at the time, so I knew of the books, but not much about them). For a "quiet, peaceful" story, I always turn to the Twilight Saga. For action, well, Guyver anyone? I also like etymology, names and what they mean. And there's even one that's a bit ironic in Guyver, for one. The name Shizu means "peaceful and quiet", which she does generally seem to be quiet and reserved most of the time. However, according to the TV series (maybe added to give Shizu a bit more background than in the manga), she was a little bit of a hell-raiser as a child (playful and boisterous is what I supposed was intended to be inferred there) until she became a teenager and the quiet and reserved aspects that we know her for came to the forefront. And, of course, there's her mate, Agito, who is generally anything but quiet, peaceful or subtle. I, of course, know more than just that. I also enjoy writing fan fic, mostly Twilight related, but I'm currently working on a Twilight/Guyver crossover, mostly for fun and laughs, but to also share Guyver with others, and share my views on the Twilight Saga, too. And now, I must be getting ready to finish off my night since I have work tomorrow and I need to be getting some sleep because of work, and watching F1 practice tomorrow night, too. At least I won't be watching a 12 Hour sportscar race this weekend, which keep my Saturday pretty busy. It was fun, but not something I'd do every weekend, and this isn't one of them. I'll be back later

I just compared them for fun, mostly. Twilight and Guyver are the only two fictional things that have really stuck with me as far as stuff that's entirely fictional (as opposed to the Medal of Honor or Call of Duty World War II VGs, which are fictionalized stories based on actual events from WWII). That, and Twilight vampires are "scarier" than Dracula once you take into account all the things that can kill a Dracula type vampire--they might not be scarier, but they'd be harder to kill. Dracula would be like tissue paper to a Guyver. And, I hope that this answers (or at least points to an answer for) the "is Natsuki a Christian" question. I took advantage of a tip that Ryuki gave me and used the Guyver manga tab on the lower left corner of the forum pages. So here we go: Volume 11, Chapter 66, page 20, there's Natsuki standing next to Aptom after he and Hayami found her and asked her to lead them back to Sho and co. at Nats' apartment. Notice what Natsuki is wearing: A crucifix necklace. I'm not 100% sure if that's an answer as to whether or not Natsuki is a Christian or not as far is it being definitive, but that's probably where that claim came from.

Thanks for the help. And yes, it seems that the conventional Zoanoids got wiped out--except for that really big monster thing that showed up and--presumably--kills the General. That might be useful for my other thing that I've been wondering about (the Natsuki question). But as it pertains to the Guyver armor, we have to remember it's origins as an environmental suit for the Creators, so it was intended to survive extreme environments. However, as to whether or not it would survive a nuclear strike, that would depend on if it would survive on a planet that has similar extreme conditions.

This may be a stupid topic, but it goes along with a fan fic that I've been working on that barrows from the world of the Twilight Saga and the universe of Bio-Booster Armor Guyver, and is meant to be a tribute to both of those works. One of the things that I've been wondering about is how Guyver creatures would stand up to Twilight creatures--vampires, shape-shifting wolves and vampire hybrids namely. For those of you who are out of the loop with the Twilight Saga, Twilight vampires don't have the traditional vampire weaknesses--no stake though the heart, now dying in sunlight, no dying in Holy Water, none of the stuff that James Rolfe describes in one of the AVGN's "You Know What's BS" videos as making vampires weak in his opinion. Twi-pires have granite hard skin, can crush steel, and have massive amounts of superhuman strength and speed. The shape-shifting wolves can take on vampires on equal terms. And lastly, the vampire hybrids can blend in better than "normal" vampires, and have attributes of both humans and vampires, and are marginally less powerful than full vampires are, but only marginally. So there's some background. And we all know about or can find out the attributes of the Guyver armor and it's variants, and the varieties of Zoanoids. As far as my theories about this stuff, basic Guyvers can have varying degrees of success against the vampires--it depends mostly on the vampire's diet and lifestyle. Vampire venom in the Twilight Saga is really acidic according to the stories' canon, and hence, can pose a threat of damaging a Guyver's sonic blades should they cut though vampire flesh, but both factors vary. The "veggie" vampires that feed on animal blood have more acidic blood and stronger skin in my fan fic canon, while a vampire that feeds on human blood has less acidic blood and weaker skin, but that's also where lifestyle comes in. It stands to reason that a vampire that's more active is stronger in terms of strength and resilience than one that has a sedentary lifestyle. Hence, a Cullen vampire (who drinks animal blood and is very active) would probably give a Guyver a ton of problems to fight aside from possibly the Gigantic armor or for sure the Gigantic Exceed. However, a Volturi vampire (sedentary and drinks human blood) would be fairly easy pray for Sho or Agito in their basic armor, let alone any upgrades--in the novels, the Volturi vampires, especially the leaders (Aro, Caius and Marcus) are described to be almost ready to fall apart literally. In the case of vampire hybrids, they might actually be better suited to face a Guyver than an average vampire, because they eat human food and can drink human blood, and they have the best of both attributes. They're probably about as powerful as some of the higher-end Hyper Zoanoids, much like vampires, especially animal-blood feeders. The shape-shifters are also extremely powerful (again, similar to hypers) but are more vulnerable to a Guyver's attacks, being not as durable in combat. One advantage that vampires and hybrids have, though, are special powers and talents that Guyvers and Zoanoids don't/can't have, that can cancel out their weaknesses and allow for fights on at least equal terms. With Guyvers, though, they can fly (so can some Zoanoids), while vampires and shape-shifters can't. But again, some powers can be used to cancel out any disadvantages. And as for the idea I have for the "ultimate battle creature", I have a couple, actually. One is a vampire hybrid that can adapt to certain abilities. This is an original character who is a retired US Army Major who was a Ranger and a Paratrooper, who is also a vampire hybrid. It's a strange ability that he inherited that allows him to adopt abilities of other vampires, hybrids, and even Zoanoids and other creatures, as well as adopt the forms of said creatures, as well as Guyvers and even humans, making a perfect "replica" or "reproduction", and can mix and match abilities and weapons at will. And, no, he's not really an Aptom rip-off. I actually wasn't even thinking of Aptom at the time I developed this. Originally, this character just would transform into a creature that can destroy vampires with ease. Then stuff from Guyver started to factor in once I started to think of a Twilight/Guyver crossover fic. And this character ends up being one of the most powerful beings from either universe because of his abilities and battle skills and intellect. And if you think that's out there, you haven't seen anything yet, to be honest. This is a much more recent creation: a part human, part Zoalord, part vampire hybrid who was biologically re-engineered as such? And most of you can probably guess the candidate I chose in a couple of guesses, and if anyone gets it right, I'll go ahead and give my reasons and an explanation (I can't find the spoiler option, so I'm afraid to post my idea here). I just wanted to give my ideas and theories for my fan fic and let anyone who may read it when I get it finished, and don't take this too seriously. I'm just writing this for fun, and though it's got a lot of action in it (though it starts out slow on that front), I'm also writing this story for laughs, too.

Here's an Audi Sport press release about their victory in the 12 Hours of Sebring: http://fourtitude.com/news/Audi_News_1/another-historic-victory-for-audi-at-12-hours-of-sebring/ It's worth noting that the winning car developed a floor issue when it ran over debris from another car, but how did they help fix the issue? With about $5-10 dollars worth of duct tape! I wonder if Chronos has any use for that item? And here's an onboard from where the two Audis battled for position for nearly 4 hours (and yes, the video is really almost four hours long, and the banging noise is the floor that was damaged): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5xmOJUe95E&list=UUlI9BO6C5v7MQdWuxlPYJhQ&index=4 Also, if I may comment, I think that cleaning and degreasing a deep-fryer should be a sport! I've had to do that tonight. I'd say that splitting wood should be a sport, but the old Timbersports stuff that used to be on ESPN had that covered

My point exactly with Mizuki. A lot of us know that (it's at least inferred) Mizuki and Sho slept with each other at the beginning of Volume 26--there was a discussion here about that chapter and even TV Tropes talks about it a bit. Just because she's not a virgin anymore, doesn't mean a thing, and after the hell they've gone though, they deserve such a moment IMO.

Not really having access to the manga itself and the events of X-Day (which was glossed over quite a bit in the TV series from what I've heard and read), someone's gonna have to point me in the right direction. But it was a reference from the manga during X-Day, but not from any other media, certainly not the films or the OVAs, neither of which even mention X-Day.

I've read references to some Zoanoids surviving a tactical nuke attack, which, of course, goes to show how powerful the mega-smasher probably is. The only reason in the TV series (which is based heavily on the manga) that Neo ZX-Tole survived Agito's attempt to vaporize him with his mega-smasher was because he was able to use his electrical powers (derived from his lost mate Elegen and ramped up to 11) to generate that arc--basically a shield--to deflect the blast. Only Alky was able to deflect a mega-smasher blast, and that's because of his own brute power (he's believed to the most powerful Zoalord), and there was nothing out there yet to pose a serious challenge to him on that front, though I do think that Gigantic Guyver and Gigantic Exceed especially might give him some concern in a one-on-one fight for sure. But as far as human weapons that we currently have, I don't think that we can get a hold of something that could challenge a Guyver on equal terms. As mentioned, in theory, there's nothing stopping someone who's smart, ingenious and creative enough from making something like the mega-smasher or vibroblades. Those are all things that in theory can easily exist. But, right now at least, there are some pretty severe technical and practical limitations on what we can do right now. Give it 10, 20 or more years, those items very well might exist and be feasible, usable items worth using. But right now, those items are out of the question as anything useful right now. Of course, we do also have to wonder if in real life if it's pragmatic that such weapons should exist, but that's another discussion.

With what I've read here, basically all known human weaponry is damn near useless against a Guyver, and it only gets worse with the Gigantic and Gigantic Exceed variants/upgrades of the Guyver armor. And that's based on how much Zoanoids can be capable of surviving. We know that Hypers can survive tactical nukes, or at least have a good chance of surviving such a blast. If a Hyper can survive it, a Guyver more than likely can as well. Hypers can probably survive being shot at with large caliber armor-piercing ammunition that's cored with tungsten carbide or depleted uranium/depleted plutonium. High explosive rounds might not have much of an effect, either, and that's even if you get into stuff like RDX, PETN, or HMX explosives, which are 1.6, 1.66, and 1.7 times more powerful than TNT, respectively. One exception is the mega-smasher, which the lenses might be damaged by even handgun bullets. But against humans, would a Guyver even have to use the mega-smasher? That would be over-kill, unless they have to take out a large number of humans hellishly quick, and I mean a massive number. The Guyver units have plenty of other weapons that can take down humans quickly and easily, including brute strength. In short, I don't think that mankind currently possesses a weapon in real life that can take down a Guyver while the human host is in the armor. There are weapons that are theoretically possible to use that are being investigated (particle beam weapons and lasers) that can allow humans to take on Guyvers on equal terms, but though the theories are sound, technically, such items are currently out of our reach in actual practice. Ironically, the two examples I gave are weapons that Guyver units themselves use in some form.

It's been hinted that she strongly disagrees with how Chronos has done things and has seemingly brainwashed a majority of Earth's inhabitants, though I don't know about where the assumption came from aside from the fact that she seems to firmly ally herself with Sho and co, whether or not she's just doing what a friend would do or if she's dead set against a lot of what Chronos has done or both, I can't ascertain aside from what I've read and asked about her. And the fact that it's been stated elsewhere that she's a Christian is a bit odd, though, aside from my thoughts on where I may've seen a visual reference to it, there doesn't seem to be much to back things up. That, and, as with Shizu, I think that she's cute/attractive, in addition, she's very smart and peppy, and above all else, trying to help her friends/allies the best that she can. She's also a good comic relieve device, while Shizu is a lot more serious most of the time. And even though Natsuki and Shizu are more secondary characters, I kinda find things about them to be extremely cool. Twilight has characters that are kinda secondary that are cool and sort of deserve their own "day in the sun". Also, I do find it strange why Chronos never seems to go after her or see her as being of some importance. That was brought up in a discussion of a recent chapter on here why Chronos and Sho's and Aptom's other enemies never seem to hold her in any importance and don't seem to care about her as one who's actively aiding them. You have to remember that I've tried to cheat as little as possible by not reading the scanilized manga posted elsewhere, but I've looked here and elsewhere for info. Of course, that's the issue with the Guyver and Japan Legend wiki. And also, this forum doesn't go back much further than 2010/2009 since it was updated, so the old posts are sort of gone. So I'm sort of hung up on the statement of Natsuki being a Christian, but there seems to be little proof to back it up. That's what I'm a bit hung up on: we have a statement, but no proof, or no (as yet at least) defined origin of such a statement. Ironically, that's a strength of Guyver as a story, that there's so few plot holes because everything has an explanation, even if we have to wait for it because of the rate that the manga gets published. In Twilight, there are several significant plot holes, which is why fans write fan fic to gain closure on their unanswered questions. Maybe a mod should maybe put the "is Natsuki a Christian?" question up somewhere else? After all, it's my fault for causing this thread to go down that tangent. Of course, if there was something that could answer that (or at least the origins of that thought), that could end it, too. But I haven't found anything that's hard evidence as far as that goes aside from the fact that whoever wrote the Guyver wiki and the old Japan Legend Guyver profiles ( http://www.japan-legend.com/wiki/index.php?title=Guyver_character_profiles ) felt that it needed to be included on those pages. I'm just trying to figure out where that assumption about her may've came from, and I think it may've been something from book 11 or 12 (Post-Guyver Gigantic arrival) that some feel implied that about Natsuki, but, knowing what I do know about her as a character, I don't think that Takaya would have her come straight out and say "I'm a Christian". Of course, the old Japan Legends piece on Natsuki also states that she may have a thing for Aptom that goes beyond friendship, and that's something that's inconclusive, so maybe we should take such comments with a grain of salt until/unless someone can point at "this page" in the manga that might give us something.

I was looking around after using the search function, and I'm surprised that there isn't really a sports discussion topic here. Even Twilight Lexicon (which is dominated by women/girls) has a sports topic that's been fairly active. But I was a bit surprised that there wasn't one here. Of course, I'm not a big one for stick and ball sports--I was never good at that stuff for one thing--but I've been a motorsports fan most of my life. Of course, it can be argued that motorsports isn't a sport per se because of no use of a ball and no use of the human body aside from operating that throttle and brakes, and the steering wheel. But when you consider that drivers of Le Mans Sportscars and F1 cars experience G-force loads of up to 4 G's sustained in high speed cornering, and that NASCAR and Le Mans Sportscar drivers are in 150+ degree cars for up to four hours at a time with all of that, I'd consider racing drivers to be athletes to allow them to do what they do. I do follow NASCAR and F1 as a causal fan, but I'm a huge fan of sportscar racing because of the use of road relevant technology their more open rules sets. And today, the product of that was Audi Sport shattering their own official Sebring qualifying record for the 12 Hours of Sebring, when both Audi R18 e-tron quattro diesel-electric hybrids swept the front row in qualifying. Yes, I said the worlds "diesel", "electric" and "hybrid" in the same sentence about a racing car. For more info and a few photos, there's this: http://audi-motorsport-blog.blogspot.com/2013/03/record-lap-of-audi-r18-e-tron-quattro.html And here's an onboard of qualifying, including the pole winning lap starting at about 7:20: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y05IsJYCJCY I just though that I'd post this to get a discussion started in the "whatever" area and just to gauge if there's enough interest for some type of sports/motorsports/vehicle discussion here.

And another thing has come to mind, and that's myths and legends and how they were used in both Guyver and Twilight to cover things up and to keep a secret. In Twilight, the Volturi perpetuated a lot of the commonly accepted vampire myths to keep vampires a secret and to get humans to believe that they had a fighting chance in a fight against them. However, they didn't perpetuate a few myths in an effort to recruit human volunteers to their cause. With Chronos, they used myths such as vampires, werewolves, and other mythic creatures as a cover to explain away what Zoanoids were, at least until the 20th century, when such things--as well as space aliens and similar creatures--were brushed off as folklore. That provided a convenient cover for their operations until they went public and took over the world. Afterwords, the revealed what Zoanoids and Hyper Zoanoids were, and tried to sell to people that becoming one would lead to major benefits, which, like with the Volturi not letting all the original vampire "truths" die, was done to recruit volunteers for processing. That's also what probably has upset Natsuki about Chronos, that the effectively brainwashed much of the world's population with propaganda, much like the Nazis and Soviets did. Again, she quesitons the ethics and morals of such moves. I know that she's a major sci-fi fan, but I also wonder of Natsuki is also a history fanatic, too? I don't think that she's a huge history buff, but even if it's just her morals and ethics that are offended, that's enough for her to be against Chronos' ideology, with our without the historical perspective. That's one of the things that I think makes Natsuki pretty cool in my POV. She's only human, but she's been a huge help to Sho, his friends, and Aptom, and she's a major nerd it seems, but she's also the attractive girl next door. I know that TV Tropes does describe her as a tomboy (at least in part due to what I said), but I don't think that she is to as large a degree as they make out--she does seem pretty feminine in her own right, just really peppy, chic and modern. But then again, TV Tropes portrays Shizu as a tomboy in girly girl clothing (I don't think that being an action girl automatically makes a girl a tomboy, and TV Tropes is like Wikipedia in that almost anyone can post what they want, which is why so much stuff ends up a "Your Mileage May Very" or "Wild Mass Guess" items when actual Guyver experts challenge those items). But now that I've gone there, in Twilight, Bella is a tomboy, but she's still feminine when she wants to be and still has several traditional feminine traits (long hair, body build, etc), while Alice is a girly girl and an action girl, Rosalie is in the same boat pretty much, and Bella becomes an action girl in the second half of BD after she becomes a vampire. Again, there are some similarities, but how they're played/used by the stories' respective authors is different, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot different, but even if scant, some similarities do jump out. Minor edit/added item: I think I know now where the assumption that Natsuki is a Christian came from. I know that there's some fan art with Natsuki wearing crucifix/cross-shaped pendants on a necklace or earrings, but I faintly remember seeing what appeared to be art work from the manga with Natsuki wearing a cross pendant. I can't remember where I saw it, because it was a quite a while ago. It doesn't help that this came to me as a random thought when I was about out of it from watching the 12 Hours of Sebring and the F1 Australian GP last night. However, I do have memory of it. The image I remember was her with Aptom, so judging by that and the Guyver manga time line, it'd be around book 12 if what I remember is correct--but you have to remember, this is just what I remember, and hence, I could be wrong, since I remember that this was done on a random search for Guyver images, and my search on Google really didn't turn up much. Has anyone read the books or chapters that came after the end of Volume 10 (the appearance of Guyver Gigantic)? I could be way off, but I do remember seeing an image of Natsuki wearing a crucifix necklace that either was an image from the manga, or really good fan art done in the style of the manga.

I'm not saying that it's unique to Christianity. Even those who aren't religious have their standards for "playing god". I'm not particularity religious, but I have my things that I morally object to. All one has to do is have a set of values, and any thing that extremely offends those values and beliefs will offend that person based on that. Irregardless, within the context of Guyver, Natsuki is very offended by what Chronos is up to and their motives, irregardless of her religious virtues. Her own moral and ethical values and beliefs are totally counter to what a lot of stuff that Chronos has done. And, to be honest, most Guyver fans seem to be offended by what Chronos does, or at least what some of their personnel have done, or the way that they've gone about things that seem to be benefiting the world. But then again, just like how in the Twilight Saga some see the Volturi as a necessary evil, some see Chronos in a similar light, too.

So Agito seems to know that Shizu has a berserk button and how to push it? Not unexpected, since they know each other for like forever (almost their entire lives). Naturally, I believe that she's willing to do whatever Agito asks her to because of their friendship, which is why a lot of people believes that she almost totally whitewashes his flaws. In the TV series it gets into it a bit more, but it seems that Shizu is willing to do almost anything to please Agito because she feels that he deserves vengeance. I do believe that without a doubt that Shizu is extremely nice, gentle and loving, and maybe Agito does def. seem to take advantage of that. And I may've taken it too far with her being a motherly figure to the Libertus, but she definitely has reservations about sending them to their deaths, even when Agito or them ask for it. That's where the well intentioned extremist aspect about her comes from. She believes in Agito and his cause, but she's much more caring and compassionate than Agito is--Shizu is almost to Agito/Zeus' Thunderbolts what Shin is now to Chronos. But Shizu's definitely very aggressive when she fights and she seems to be taking out a lot of aggression on her enemies--she's not cruel for sure, but I don't think that she's just kicking ass because it would please Agito. I do sort of question Shizu's sanity/mental balance. She may be extremely nice and compassionate, but I do believe that a lot of things sort of wear on her: Her parent's deaths/disappearance (Shizu was only 5-6 when that happened, according to the TV series, and she might have few if any memories about them), her knowing full well what happened with Agito/Genzo/Agito's parents, and seeing her grandpa get killed in front of her. I don't think that all of that stuff has warped her the same way that it did for Agito, but it seemed that she wasn't in the best state of mind when she volunteered to be processed into Griselda. I do wonder if she's a bit mentally unstable from all of that. Again, not Agito's level of that stuff, but that stuff I feel definetly effected Shizu and her thinking processes, or maybe, if she doesn't try to please Agito--her closest friend--she might think that she'd be useless to him, and she want to help him right the wrongs of what happened. Now that I've ranted about one of my favorite Guyver characters, back on topic here. I do sort of hope that Agito is experiencing a genuine change of heart, but as has been said, that's hard to tell right now. He may be softening up, but it could be a ploy, or somewhere in between. But the way that Shizu and Agito conversed at the grave site, Agito may be realizing the folly of his way, and it might be his confrontation with Sho that made him realize it, and Shizu is one of the very few people that Agito would confide such a thing to, though, again, the result of their confrontation is sort of inconclusive.

The "god complex" here is when one tries to be all powerful and tries to use their power or abilities to "play god", be it messing with nature/science unjustly, or trying to be the all commanding, all conquering ruler. I believe, since it's not clearly stated elsewhere, that's where the theories/statements of Natsuki being a Christian came from, is her objections to what Chronos is doing. Though as you've pointed out, aside from Japan Legend's old profile of her and Guyver Wiki's profile of her, there seems to be no solid proof of her religious beliefs, but Chronos seems to be definitely offending Natsuki's ethical/moral beliefs for sure and her own stances of what is right/wrong and excessive vs justifiable. That's what I meant by the god complex. I'd like to debate more, but F1 practice is about to come on, I still have dinner to make, and a few things to tidy up. But don't worry, I won't let the subject die, and I've even written a fan fic about it. If I survive Saturday's motorsports marathon of the 12 Hours of Sebring and the F1 Australian GP, I'll post some stuff about it there, and the fan fic's actually at a very advanced early stage.

I personally think that Agito and/or Shizu got wind of the events with Gigantic Exceed, and, knowing that it was Sho's willpower that willed the Gigantic Armor back to him, it also stood to reason that Agito would also believe that the Gigantic Exceed was also a product of Sho's willpower (Sho did dream that up, after all, and hence, it was basically his creation). One thing that I think that has been overlooked is that Agito had similar issues with Sho that Aptom had in the past--questioning Sho's willpower, namely it's extent. They knew that he wanted to protect his friends, but they questioned if Sho would pull the trigger and kick some ass to fight Chronos on his terms. I think that with the events surrounding Gigantic Exceed was proof that Sho now has the will to take down Chronos and right the wrongs that have happened since their takeover. Of course, Agito had to go and see for himself whether or not it was a flash in the pan, or if Sho had overcome those issues. Of course, Agito seemed to be disappointed when Sho called forth the Exceed Armor and with the fact that Sho never went for the kill against him. But I do believe that Agito may've learned something else form that encounter. Just because you have power or lust for power, it doesn't mean that you need to have that "win at all costs" attitude that he's always had up to that point. You need to have heart if you want to wield true power, and Sho's pure of heart as far as heroes go (not really wanting power or to rule the world or anything like that, just wanting to protect/help people and right some major wrongs), while Agito is an extremely amoral anti-hero who's lust for power has shut him off from having any real pleasure or cause in life other than obtaining power and reshaping the world to his ideals, whatever they may actually be. In other worlds, he's fighting the big evil, but he's definenly gone about it in a very questionable manner. Granted, I do believe that Chronos is the big bad, and some of their guys and ex-members have pulled off some pretty evil and deviant stuff, but Shin and the late Purg, the anti-villains of the piece, do seem to genuinely care about the human race and trying to make the world better, even if their alliance with Chronos seems counter to that. And then there's Shizu, who isn't as much of a pure-hearted hero in the same way that Sho is, she still by far looks like a saint compared to Agito. She's an aggressive fighter and fights with vigor against Chronos, but she genuinely cares about the Libertus Hyper-Zoanoids that she commands, and she sees them almost like as her children or close friends, even if they don't really know her that well. She also has a personal vendetta against Chronos for the deaths fo Agito's parents, Genzo's adoption of Agito and what that did to him, and the death of grandpa Yohei--all things that Shizu holds Chronos liable for. However, she's not cruel like Agito sometimes verges on being, and she's been shown to be very hesitant to activate the "C" modes of the Libertus, seeing it as excessive perhaps, and above all not wanting to be the one who asks them to die, even if they're ready and willing to do so upon request. And when she activates the "C" mode, Shizu has been seen as being extremely remorseful (I'd say also almost distraught) about it, even if it was necessary. And she also willingly tried her damndest to protect Mizuki, Natsuki and Tetsuro at the Mansion when Guyot and Valkyria tried to raid the place and abduct them. She was somewhat harsh with them early on when she was keeping them from interfering with Sho and Agito's fight, but it became obvious soon what was happening, and it was a tough front to "bully" them into doing as she asked, and her actions spoke much louder than those words did. In short, Sho and Shizu have experienced a lot of tragedy in their lives as well (it should be noted that Shizu's parents apparently died when she was very young), but they didn't let it totally consume them like Agito did. Sho's still a pure of heart hero, his tragedies shaping his will and resolve to help and save others, and though Shizu can be considered an anti-hero/anti-villain/well intentioned extremist type by sticking with Agito the way that she has, she's still got a heart and it, for the most part, is in the right place (though again, execution of that policy's a bit flawed), and, unlike Agito, she cares a lot more about people and doesn't just see them as pawns/tools/weapons like Agito often has (Shizu seems to be one of the few exceptions to that, at least to some degree). I think that possibly Agito it starting to see his own personality flaws and is perhaps starting to think like "if I had this to do all over again...", and he doesn't have to look much further than Sho and Shizu to see where his "power is everything/win at all cost" mentality basically borders on insanity, and that such a mentality isn't necessary to achieve his goals. As Sho has shown, heart is as dominant a power as force.

You do have to remember that I'm not a follower of the Guyver manga itself as it's not been published in America for years--I've had to cheat to keep up, looking at stuff like the Guyver Wiki, the Japan Legend Wiki, and the forum here for info. It's stated at least at the Guyver wiki that Natsuki is a Christian (and is also referred to at the Japan Legend Guyver wiki page), though they don't state where that info was obtained (I also did a quick look on this forum and didn't turn up anything of note there, but I do remember reading it here too, possibly before the forum was updated to it's current status, and that was a while ago). It's been referenced, but those are the only two places I've seen a reference to Natsuki's faith (I even Googled "Natsuki Taga Christian", and those were the only two relevant results I got--Guyver wiki and Japan Legend Guyver wiki section). If someone can point out a passage in the manga that refers to Natsuki being a Christian (or not, I'd like clarification either way), that would be most hopeful. I'm not 100% willing to put my faith on something like that on a character's wiki page profile, but that assumption/theory/info had to come from somewhere, and that's about the only sources I have. As far as thematic elements, they are played up differently for sure as far as focus, but they're none the less important in both stories. Sho and Edward had issues with seeing themselves as monsters, but their romantic partners soon helped convince them that they had something to fight for. With Sho, that feeling becomes much bigger over time (beyond Mizuki and his friends, and extending to the whole human race), but the steering forces, at least initially, were the same. However, I'll head back to the similar themes played differently deal. Guyver is mostly action/adventure and sci-fi, with romance and other items (character angst to name one) as important subplots. That stuff is important for character development, but they are still subplots and not the "main event". In Twilight, it's romance and fantasy front and center, with the action and adventure aspects and character angst as major subplots. Again, for character and story development, that stuff's still important, but it's not the main thing that the story's about. And Guyver is biased more towards the action/adventure and sci fi fans and the male demographic, while Twilight is angled more towards females and lovers of romance novels. The only thing that the demographics have in common is a roughly similar age demographic of the teenager/young adult crowd, though with different genders. But I also find it a bit narrow minded to say that either Twilight or Guyver appeal only to their main demographic targets. I know that men like Twilight, women like Guyver, and both appeal to people of all ages. A target demographic is just that, a target demographic: the primary audience that a work is intended to appeal to, but that doesn't mean that it's the only group of people who something appeals to. There are similarities in various works that are worked differently for different effects, which is the cool thing about fiction. A work's creator can make it out to whatever they want it to be. But maybe I'm over-analyzing this, because I think that Twilight and Guyver are cool for both different and similar reasons to me. BTW, Twilight does have a good basis for an action fan fic, and when Guyver backs off on the action, it immensely helps with character and plot development, even if at times the canonical story of how the human race began seems to get repeated a lot. But both stories are pretty cool to me, and they have their similarities IMO, and how those elements get played up and how they're used is also interesting, and they help to make both stories interesting.

Interesting how much media there was in the early to mid '90s there was about Guyver, considering that Manga and Anime was only a "cult" phenomena (this was still a few years away from it becoming truly entrenched in pop culture), and it was also a while before the modern internet age, too.

Yes, you read right, but don't dread, I'll try and make sound comparisons, being a follower of both series. I know the differences, and I pointed them out to some degree in a reply I made in my intro topic. But I noticed plenty of similarities, too. One is angst among the main character/characters. In Twilight, Bella saw herself as average, though not many people agree with that assessment, and Edward saw himself as a monster, in spite of Bella's attempts to convince him otherwise. And often, especially early in the manga, Sho sees himself as a monster and wonders if he'll ever be free of his Guyver armor and all the hell that it falling into his hands has caused. So that's the angst--or some of it--from the main characters. B&E also have romantic angst due to them worrying about each other, and Sho even had some of his own, with his crush for Mizuki, as she had eyes for Agito until later on in the manga when she found out the truth about Sho and the secret he was hiding. Of course, both deals ended similarly (well, sort of, the Bio-Booster Armor Guyver manga is still on going), with Bella and Edward getting married, making love and having a daughter who's part vampire, part human, and Bella gets her wish of becoming a vampire. Meanwhile, we all know that Sho and Mizuki have slept with each other prior to her and Tetsuro's abduction--at least that went right for our hero there, for a while at least. And then there's the "god complex" that some characters have in both stories. We all know that Chronos is officially in power now, and are reshaping the world to their ideals--including the active encouragement of people volunteering to become Zoanoids. Of course, we get some commentary on this from Natsuki, who somewhere along the lines is revealed to be a follower of the Christian faith (whether or not she was born into a family of Christians or she converted somewhere along the lines, I don't know, but it's a fact that she's a Christian). As such, Nats doesn't see eye to eye with that part of Chronos' ideology, as she sees it as crossing the line with them "playing god", and is a big motivator for her helping out Sho and co. as well as her friendship of them. However, if Natsuki is PO'd at Chronos for them "playing god" too much, she'll probably be equally ticked at the Volturi for some of their measures, and she'd probably see a "god complex" there. In other words, an essentially all powerful group of people trying to shape the world to their views. The Volturi are a group of Vampires who seized power, and, like Chronos, have shaped "their" world to their ideals. Granted, unlike Chronos, who had ruling the world as their goal, the Volturi only want to "rule" the vampire world. But none the less, similar amorality is used by both parties as far as enforcement and trying to take control over something. And speaking of amorality, there's plenty of that in both Guyver and Twilight. We all know that Barcas has no conscious with scientific matters (he's someone that Natsuki would be extremely pissed at for obvious reasons!), is extremely amoral, and is opportunistic (remember what he did to Sho's father to try and get Guyver I's control medal?), and is one slimy, unscrupulous dude with a streak to match. Aptom, though he's more or less done a heel face turn (it seems that he's allied with Sho, and at least doesn't have the same urge to kill him, ie, he's mellowed out after Sho helped him avenge Hayami's death), he's still creepy, scary, and amoral (I'd call him affably evil), basically an anti-hero writ large. Oh, did I mention that he eats people (at least ones who are Zoanoids)? And in the Guyver court, there's Agito, probably the best example of an extreme anti-hero in the Guyver saga. He's ruthless, aggressive, persistent, power-hungry, manipulative, and will use anyone or anything to try and get what he wants, and will do almost anything to bring Chronos down, basically exhibiting a win at all costs attitude, and nothing else really matters. And then there's the fact that he'd also like to rebuild Chronos in his image to rule the world. Again, there's a bit of a "god complex" there. However, there's at least a few characters from the Twilight Saga that I believe would make Agito look like a saint in comparison--which, I know, is hard to do. There's Jane, who's a sadist and loves to abuse her power (to inflict a mental image of pain into people or vampires) for sadistic enjoyment. And then there's Caius, who's one can say is a homicidal sadist who likes bloodshed and is obsessed with violence death and being the one who causes it. He takes pure joy, and if World War III should break out, he'd probably be betting on which side would win. And then there's Aro, who is probably Twilight's equivalent of Agito. Aro is a definite anti-hero in my view. At times, he does mean well, but he's amoral, power-hungry, and will do what ever it takes to get what he wants (such as killing his own sister to keep Marcus in the Voltrui because he liked his special ability). He also tried to use the Renesmee confrontation in Breaking Dawn to force certain Cullen vampires (Bella, Edward, Alice, Carlisle, and maybe Renesmee herself) to join up with the Volturi in exchange for Renesmee's life. Of course, he failed, and had to give up, much as how Agito had to give up the fight when he confronted Sho. In both cases, Agito and Aro found themselves out-foxed, and had to give up resistance against their foe, though I have the opinion that Agito wanted to demonstrate to Sho his power, and to discover if Sho had what "it takes" to be the world's savior, due to Agito's questioning of Sho's willpower. And now, some basic or simple comparisons, that are more mundane than the thematic elements that I've written about so far. Both have the same items in them (romance and action/adventure) as far as genre, but they're used differently as far as which takes the lead. Guyver is mostly about action and adventure. The fights, the creatures, the arms race between Chronos and the Guyver unit users, that's the main thing. However, there's romance in Guyver, too. Sho and Mizuki are the standard bearers as far as that goes, as well all know, and that's the main romance deal in Bio-Booster Armor Guyver. Of course, there's also Shizu and Agito, though that does seem unbalanced--Shizu is a devoted lover of Agito, while it seems that even though he returns the affection at times, he views her more as a friend and ally, and their relationship just seems more platonic than Sho's and Mizuki's does. Shizu and Agito do sort of behave like a BF/GF or husband/wife couple, but they just don't seem as intimate, though Shizu might obviously prefer it that way, since in theory she's supposed to die within 1-3 years of her initial processing into Griselda. Meaning, that unless something major happens, she basically only has about a couple of years to live, so I think that she'd like to go out happy. And as far as Natsuki goes, and suggestions that she has a thing for either Tetsuro or Aptom, here, I'd say that she's more than friends with both of them, but she's probably not ready for a steady relationship with either one. In other words, she has something more than simple friendship with them, but nothing that's quite ready to become romantic, yet. Twilight is all about romance, with Bella and Edward, and the other couples (Esme and Carlisle, Rosalie and Emmett, Alice and Jasper, etc.), but it does have fights and action (which is played up in the films for sure), and there's the final battle between the Cullens and the Volturi, which didn't amount to much, but it was a tension filled event. I do like how it tried to demonstrate resolving a conflict without the use of violence or force (Sho and his friends would advocate that for sure!), but even die hard fans of Twilight admitted that they wanted a fight. But as with the confrontation between Sho and Agito, the Volturi realized that they were screwed, so they gave up before they risked getting massacred. As when Agito realized that Sho was in some ways superior to him and it was better not to challenge that, Aro realized the same in his plight. And then there's the tomboy vs girly girl aspect, which is a favorite of mine. Bella is an adamant tomboy in the saga, though she's considered by others to be quite atractive, while in Guyver, Natsuki is a nerd, a tomboy, and also comes off as being quite attractive. As far as the girly girl stuff, Mizuki is def. a girl, but Shizu does take being a girly girl a lot further. Alice and Rosalie and Esme are the main girly girls in Twilight, especially Alice. And in Guyver, as far as protagonist go, Shizu is the obvious action girl, while Alice is the action girl in Twilight. Of course, Shizu and Alice also have in common that they dress and often act the most overtly femininely of their respective stories' characters, but they are also very level headed most of the time, aren't very shreiky as far as girls go, and are the female fighters in their respective stories. Of course, Bella also becomes an action girl after she becomes a vampire, and she starts to act more "conventionally" femininely. So here's what I've covered--self-loathing heroes how realize their purpose once they fall in love with someone, the god complex that the antagonists have, the amorality of the stories' villians and anti-heroes, the action/adventure and romance elements (though played up differently in both stories), and the tomboy/girly girl comparisons. I'm sure that I'm missing a lot of stuff, but I just wanted to hit the basics. I'm not trying to spam or anything, just thinking about stuff that not many have probably ever thought about. I had to dig for some of these similarities, but I do find it interesting. Sometimes, it just seems that the biggest difference is demographics, namely the gender demographic. Guyver is aimed at teenage/YA boys (Guyver is considered a shonen manga--target demographic is roughly between the ages of 10-21, though I believe that Guyver is aimed definitely at the teen/YA male audience), while Twilight is aimed at teenage/YA girls. Same basic age demographic, but different genders. That's the thing that interested me, and the fact that that it's seen as being taboo to be a male Twilight fan, just as how girls who like certain things (like Guyver and other things men like) are seen as being strange as well. IMO, it's nothing to be ashamed of. Twilight has it's male fans, Guyver has it's female fans, and that's just variety, and why when one stereotypes people with stuff like this, it just leads to dead ends, and there are always "exceptions to the rules" there. So I just wanted to share some of my comparisons between elements of Guyver and Twilight, and the "gender gaps" within the fandoms, and how when people stereotype fans of something like Twilight or Guyver to be just one group of people, a great disservice is being done to the fandoms as a whole.

Hi again everyone. I don't doubt that most of you aren't really familiar or are even indifferent with the Twilight novels--just as how most Twilight fans have never even heard of Bio-Booster Armor Guyver, either the manga, or the animes (BTW, the live action films, especially the first, sucked IMO and where a bit of a downer compared to the OVAs, or the TV series). As I said, Twilight has some stuff that, stereotypically, that guys should like (all the females are described as being models for the most part, and there's all kinda of car porn, almost like some of the stuff was from an episode of Top Gear). However, it's a teen/YA romance/fantasy novel, and I can understand how that's off putting, even with all the stuff I mentioned in it. Of course, Guyver does have some romance angles (Sho and Mizuki, and, depending on one's POV, Shizu and Agito--I'll probably post more in my actual comparison that I may post soon), but it's mostly and action-adventure/sci-fi story. Of course, in that post, I'll argue (if that's the right word--discuss might be a better word) the similarities, and how their worked differently as far as my POV. And yes, I believe and respect that similarities are worked and played up differently between the stories. And I'll also describe my ideas for where I want to take my fan fic. Again, mostly, I'm writing it for fun, but I have some points to prove, namely that I don't think that the Twilight Saga deserves it's bad rep, that Guyver deserves to be seen my more people, and all of my what if questions. This is mostly because of how Breaking Dawn ended (a lot of loose ends and plot holes), the fact that Guyver as a manga sort of seems to be a "never-ending story", and if I had creative control, this is how I'd close some of those holes and answer some questions, which fan fic allows us to do just that. But, overall, other than talking about stuff that's Guyver related (obviously) and other off topic stuff that might be of interest to me, that's why I'm here. I also updated my profile (as I promised) so if anyone wants to know more about me, you can find some stuff there, though one should also feel free to ask questions about anything--well, at least stuff that won't violate TOS Also, with me being in the minority with the Twilight stuff and being with the majority here (a male fan), I do wonder what the gap is with female fans of Guyver. That's one thing that's also interested me, is the gender gap within fandoms. With Twilight, it's mostly females, with Guyver, it's mostly a male fan-base. I do know that there are women who probably like Guyver, but I do wonder if there's only a few or quite a few. I know that there are both willing and closet Twilight Saga fans who are male. My opinion is that men shouldn't be ashamed if they like Twilight, and girls shouldn't be ashamed if they like stuff like Guyver. I have a few things that I'd like to try and work on before I think about posting my comparison/theories thread. But I'll probably get to that for sure within the next 24 hours, and possibly tonight, since I don't work tomorrow. I'll be back soon Thanks for the welcome