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I thought that saucer section looked identical to the refit enterprise from the motion picture. the red lights on the back and the blue stripes arund the edges. I've not studied it a lot in that repect though, the saucer section doesn't look too radical to me. the whole shape of teh ship looks to me that it could possibly be a precursor to a ship that looks more like teh refit. although there is no guarantee that this ship would actually get a refit since now everything is different. but i thik hte engineering section is much the same shape as that of the refit and when they did teh refit, they changed the naycelles completely. i thik a refit on this one would have it looking very similar to TMP without too much work. My feeling about the battle scenes... I thik that jj abrams may have been watching star wars, this reminded me of the battle scene at the beginning of revenge of the sith. that battle scene was the greatest space battle i have ever seen, this movie could be good, but i am unsure if jj abrams directing is perhaps a little too fast to show clearly.

oh yeah, I won't post the picture of egg on my face, I don't want to spoil the thread

not me, how about you bobby? you got anything to add? I don't ask because i don't provide. (actually I'm not that interested, I have different reasons to admire women, call me strange, I won't deny i am an odd guy)

oh , ps guys, apparently a sequel to this movie has actually been 'annouced' according to IMDB. i'm interested to see how they do.

i say, to keep in the frame of mind like when watching transformers. this is a hollywood movie and has lots of action and explosions. it's not so hot on the science and also tries to get the blood flowing with some sexyness. remember this is jj abrams, so think about cloverfield and lost. also, I'm not exagerating, but i honestly got the feel of 'galaxy quest' at some points. it is fun and it is interesting to see how some of the characters are very accurate, but i feel it is missing some fundamental basics of what we would expect of star trek. keep an open mind and you may come away frm the movie house very satisfied.

why would i take it personally, you specifically said "Ryuki, the characters is what Star Trek is all about not ship design" and "Just by focusing purely on ship design, it just seems like you were missing the point." and by saying so you are implying that my perspective is invalid. if you want to lay out the merits of the movie, no problem. if you want to say how you think the ship is good design etc, no problem. if you want to say "i don't think hte ship design is important really, but i do like the character ... and how he ....." no problem. it seems like you are taking a swipe at me with those comments.

first off lordspleach, you have no right to tell me what the main point of the show is. for a start there are two ways of looking at it, the creators intent and the viewers perspective. since you have neither the viewers perspective (my perspective) or teh creators intent, you are way out of line with that statement. you are welcome to add your opinion, but i would appreciate it if you would stop discounting my opinion. now to move on from that, i would like to point out that the enterprise is a character in the show. need i point out teh many times the characters have had a rapport with hte different systems of teh ship. scotty loves his engine, captain kirk had a very witty rapport with his computer when it decided to start calling him 'dear' . in fact the character of janice rand was meant to illustrate this by her conversation with kirk "i only ever wanted you to look at my legs" but kirk was in love with the ship. it has ALWAYS been about the ship. it's iconic. yes the human(oid) characters were very important but that is how they brought the ship to the forefront. the ship had no real voice of it's own, so it was up to hte characters to bring out the character of the ship. now i could argue with you for a very long time about how important the ship actually is, and how important the design is, but i would actually prefer if you respect my opinion instead of attacking me. just to elaborate on this a bit more, to miss out the significance of certain parts such as ship design and also integrity of scientific knowledge etc, is to severely damage the integrity of the universe. it seems to me jj abrams has used this alternate universe as a kind of get out of jail free card. he has used it as a way to waive responsibility to get continuity correct. the problem here is, he has been so incredibly useless as to even ignore the integrity in his own movie. such as the glaring plot hole of scotty having no idea of the fundamental basics of warp travel. if you really want to move away from the ship design, I could always find some other area to illustrate the fundamental problem here. I am using the ship design as an example to show how the universe is not consistent. this film does not make sense. as i think about it more and more, it makes less and less sense.

i managed to get a screenshot of the engineering section. now, what i want to say is, can you tell me, if you did not know where this screenshot was from, what would you identify it as? because i would identify it as a generic industrial plant. this screenshot could be from terminator 2. it could be from anything. that is why i dislike the engineering section design. because i don't consider it to be good design at all. especially when you compare to what star trek has already established. look at the following images, that show clearly that the different interiors of different ships are unique and identifiable.

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Why would you say such a thing? for some people, certain things are important. i'm focusing on the ship design because it is something that has been subjected to a lot of attention over the past of this franchise. for a film to stand up to scrutiny, it must have integrity. how would you feel if they made a guyver film and did something like making his head spike flat against his head..?... more seriously though, what if they did make a guyver film and changed the fundamental design of the guyver. like this . you wouldn't be happy, would you? I concentrate on these things because i work in the same field. I judge these people by how well they do their job.

do you mean this? I'm sorry, I do not remember a part in insurrection with a girder like structure. I don't doubt what you say, i just don't remember. i can kinda acknowledge the ship perhaps not being christened yet, i guess they were all rushing out to get to that place. i didn't get the impression anything was still under construction, but it is possible.

what i was referring to with the engineering area, is the way it seemed naked. it had steel girder like structures and looked like they had just decided not to put walls inbetween them. looking at starship designs throughout star trek, you see that engineering is the home of the computer. also, most everything is controlled by the computer and the walls are used to house electronic circuits, computer consoles and conduits etc. this engineering looked more like something from a borg cube rather than a federation ship. it was bare and skeleton like. apart from the issues with normal federation aesthetics, it's bad starship design anyway. a starship is a strcuture designed to operate in space, therefore good design includes many bulkheads and many opportunities to seal off areas incase of hull breach. it just seemed very out of place. well it wasn't featured very heavily anyhow and i have only seen it once. that was just my first impression. in my view, engineering section of a federation ship should not have girder like structures and/or framework. i understand what you say about bayformers... but i do think it's not really the same. transformers has had many different series and they have re-written that story many times. star trek on the other hand has always had a very solid continuity. all the series and all the films have always stuck with the same continuity, the same basic aesthetics etc. it's a bit of a cheap shot to change somethig so radically and not even make it clear. i think it would have been a lot less of a affront if the film maker had made it clear that this was not a historical recollection. actualy by my own standard of what i said there, transformers was pretty bad. since it called itself 'transformers', not 'transformers alien lookig robots' so in that respect it's the same thing. but well, the traioler of transformers made it clear that the designs were so radically different. I think the trailers for this film have been very misleading in that respect.

I'm not doing this just to complain about the movie, but I do think the ship design could be better. so I did a couple of edits to bring it more in line with the original design. just to see what it would look like. and i think it's quite nice. from the first time i saw their new design, i thought the engineering section was just too far forwards. also, i thought that the bulky naycelles were very ugly. and lastly, I disliked the change of colours. so here you go, and lets see what you think. remember, this is supposed to be the original enterprise, not the refit that was featured in the motion picture.

for what reason are you posting it here? I am removing it because this movie is widely available in the west on DVD. plus the fact that 90 percent of members here are guyver fans and have seen this film. most of us own it. and it's not really a 'cool video', since it is just a rip from hte movie and doesn't say anything interesting or new about that particular section.

bobby, what are we supposed to be looking at there?

I would be very happy if the producers of this new star trek film could furnish it with the same love and dedication that the producers of traditional star trek. what worries me is that this seems like a one-off thing. if this were a series, I would be far more willing to accept it. it's just that this seems to me like throwaway entertainment. I know star trek has ended. In my mind, I have had closure for the star trek universe, in the form of the quote that now takes it's place in my signature " If there is one ideal that the Federation holds most dear it is that all men... all races can be united. What better example than a Starfleet captain standing in the Romulan Senate. Nothing would make me more proud than to take your hand in friendship... in time... when that trust has been earned." the romulans were introduced in the early episodes of the original series and now that they have had closure in this respect in hte movie nemesis, I felt that star trek was finished. I had the impression that this movie was supposed to be a celebration of star trek, but now i know it isn't a celebration of star trek in the way i expected. instead it is a money making scheme. it's fine, this appeals to people in a different way, but I do not feel that this fits in with the franchise I have known. it's new it's different, not to be compared to the original. it has different sensibilities. the traditional star trek model, relies on sound scientific reasoning, and good consistent design. this new star trek seems to focus more on hte characters and on action. for example, federation starships have never had an open and industrial look to the engineering section. even in the 'ancient' times of 'enterprise', the warp core was compact and the room was enclosed with solid walls. a federation bridge has always been open and accessible with unobtrusive displays. with regards to science, I found the remark by scotty to be particularly stupid , he was surprised that space was moving and not the ship, which is ridiculous since that's the whole basis for warp travel. for such a guy who was working on such advanced things to do with transporters, to suggest he didn't know that is just ridiculous.

yes, I think the fact that i have kinda approached star trek in reverse may confuse things somewhat. I have been exposed to hte star trek films my whole life and i always detested them. then recently i started watching, starting with hte next generation and only now moving onto the original series. however, If i look at it from the angel of TOS, moving onweard toward 'enterprise', I think i can see why some people might celebrate this... because i know that many original fans detested enterprise. of course there is teh factor that I am a designer and i did focus very much on the set and ship designs.

now I think about it, I'm thinking it can be considered an affront to all things star trek. the reason I say this is because of the choice to call it 'star trek'. since people refer to 'star trek', the original series, as 'TOS' the creators of this movie are going along with such complete arrogance to set this film on a pedestal above the oproginal series by calling it 'star trek'. (I shaln't call it star trek, I'll call it star trek XI. or jj trek.) I think this is insulting. this is teh kind of film that people will love, but after a couple of months or years it will be forgotten. gene ropddenberry left a legacy. this was a series that spanned 3 seasons and a further series that spanned 7 seasons spread over 40 years... each story in this is designed to teach a lifes lesson. this film did a great job of creating a facsimile of the original series, but it will never surpass it. it became popular for a reason. I can still watch it today for a reason. (I NEVER watch old stuff, i find it annoying) having never seen the original series, I find that i can watch and enjoy it in a way I never can with any other old series. it seems to me the hole idea of this film is to wipe teh slate clean and start again. essentially it's saying that all of the 40 years of star trek is just 'not good enough'. jj abrams is in effect, pissing all over gene roddenberry's grave. I thik it's the title that has got me thinking this way more than anything. it's beyond arrogant. I don't even think there's a word to describe how that seems to me. I mean, galaxy quest parodied a lot about star trek and things like that. i loved it. but it's like this film is trying to REPLACE all that has been so far. I guess how i feel about this film, is the same as how i would feel about a person who came along, looked at a picasso in an art gallery and took it down and put their own version in its place. once again, I wouldn't be up in arms over it, I don't think al lthese things are sacred, I would just think it to be very insulting.

i don't want to do any animation on this. i give you permission to add a background and an animated glimmer effect on him. or if you want to ask somebody to do that, I will allow that.

it's possible but it would ruin the transparency. I would have made it a gif, but i decided to make it a png. much finer. if you're using a decent browser, you will see it is transparent.

if you could draw like that, you would be called yoshiki takaya. is the avatar suitable btw? it took me a while to decide on the right size and colour balance.

woah, hold on, I didn't say it didn't have anything that remained faithful. I was referring to the designs. I can appreciate many of the other stuff, it just kinda got lost as teh film drew to a close. I loved the opening of the movie. and no, I didn't read anything about this. I had no idea about the design and the story. but i should point out.. adding in some incidentals does not make something faithful. I mean the incidental event of having a random redshirt getting killed.. not really significant. there were many things in this that fit with characters and events etc, this was in a way 'homage' to the original series, not sticking with it. the changes they have made, remove it from the original in a way that it cannot be considered the same. I ws reading an article on ex-scientia website and the guy said pretty much all the things i was thinking. http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles...ise_comment.htm I know some people might make the mmistake of thinking i'm some trekie or a purist or whatever.. but no, I'm not being unreasonable, when i see a film called "star trek" I expect star trek, but this is "star trek - alternate universe" . for anybody who has no presuppositions, this is very jarring and leaves an odd taste in the mouth. it's like eating something labelled potatoes, and finding out that it is actually sweet potato.

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here. I can make him brighter and more colourful if you want.

of course, you can have it as your desktop. that's what it's for! but do not use this for an avatar. it is not suited. I will provide a avatar for you. please stand by.