chapter Guyver July 2014

[Guest Jupiter]

I wouldn't say he doesn't have need for internal organs.

I think it's fair to say he is pretty flexible in his need for organs on a constant basis, but to say he doesn't need them at all is perhaps a stretch. I mean he does need to metabolise and respire etc. but most importantly, he needs a brain.

It was explained that his cells upon finding no brain, would enter a state of ontogenesis in order to rapidly create the necessary organs.

They need organs to perform specific functions. his cells aren't up to the task of sustaining a complex lifeform.

a brain needs blood with fuel and oxygen and hormones etc. I would imagine zoanoid processes take up a lot of energy and is a secondary reason why they can turn back to human form. their human metabolism stores up energy that is needed for zoanoid things. if their metabolism isn't effective enough so they can't store enough energy from food, they go in a processing tank.

I imagine that since aptom can't get access to a processing tank easily, he must have a digestive system of sorts. he has his predation whatever ability which can convert other organism into his own cellular material. but once that has occurred, he needs to have systems in his body to metabolise that material and use it for energy for his brain and other normal human processes. I would imagine that when he isn't going about his business, he is still fundamentally human.

It's all conjecture of course. he might be nothing more than a slime creature now.

 

Your comment about Aptom being a slime creature reminds me of The Thing. Just been thinking lately about the subject of Aptom. I am surprised that Dr. Barcas had so much trouble with Aptom.

Does the body become complicated after under going through such a procedure that even a 400 year old scientist/ zoalord like Barcas even has trouble and makes mistakes to the point where Aptom can self optimize and regenerate, and not only that. Feed on other zoanoids to regenerate and are assimilated as one of Aptom's genetic traits.

Was it the part where Aptom feeds on other zoanoids that was the mistake that Barcas made? I mean, Barcas was pretty pissed that Aptom ate Elegen in the anime.

[Larz Zahn]

What i mean is, i wonder if there was a zoanoid who's sole power was too boost another zoanoid by forming an outer armor. A cronus attempt of a Guyver organism. We already seen 3 hypers form together. Unlikely but curious if they thought to try that route before recreating the g2 control metal.

[*V Guyver]

They've had a few Zoanoids with Symbiosis-like qualities. So who know? 

Yeah, Aptom is totally like the thing, was watching that a month ago, and felt like Aptom is that to the Chronos mooks. 

I think Aptom invades bodies in a hyperactive cellular level. We don't know how many organ's or lack of them he can function with, but we've seen him as nothing more than telepathically guided liquid filled missile and I doubt you could fill a brain in those. The other possibility is that Aptom can now shrink his organ's down, which is entirely possible considering his scope of abilities. 

[Guest Jupiter]

Question:

 

Are there Lost Number zoanoids that are just as powerful as Zoalords that Aptom could absorb?

[The Crimson Guyver]

I have no clue, who knows if Cronos has put the anti-aptom antibodies in other lost numbers, It would be smart of them to do so. Bio-Freezer was a Lost number but he was absorbed so if Cronos decided to make anymore lost numbers that are strong as zoalords (which would be foolish beyond belief.) then he could possibly absorb them.

[*Jess♥]

are we forgetting about the issue of energy?

It's pretty well known that the zoacrystal stored teh energy require for zoalord abilities.

without a high capacity energy storage, how can any zoanoid hope to truly compete on that level?

 

V Guyver, I was thinking about teh biomissiles, I think the missiles can easily be given instructions in advance and follow a simple trajectory in order to re integrate?

[Guest Jupiter]

are we forgetting about the issue of energy?

It's pretty well known that the zoacrystal stored teh energy require for zoalord abilities.

without a high capacity energy storage, how can any zoanoid hope to truly compete on that level?

 

V Guyver, I was thinking about teh biomissiles, I think the missiles can easily be given instructions in advance and follow a simple trajectory in order to re integrate?

 

So if a Lost Number that is almost as even as a Zoalord were made. It would have issues dealing with energy out put?

[The Crimson Guyver]

Makes sense look at Neo- Zx-Tole when he used the blaster tempest he completely annihilated himself in the process so much power from the attack he was destroyed. Zoalords on the other hand could probably handle an attack that large. They might be fatigued but they'd live (until the gigasmasher hits them haha.)

Edited June 15, 2014 by The Crimson Guyver

[*V Guyver]

are we forgetting about the issue of energy?

It's pretty well known that the zoacrystal stored teh energy require for zoalord abilities.

without a high capacity energy storage, how can any zoanoid hope to truly compete on that level?

 

V Guyver, I was thinking about teh biomissiles, I think the missiles can easily be given instructions in advance and follow a simple trajectory in order to re integrate?

Yeah, I'd have to agree with you there. That's totally possible and makes sense, preprogrammed aptom missiles. XD. But remember how evil Aptom immediately kept destroying dismembered Aptom cells? He did that to prevent Aptom's conscious from surfacing, there is still that small possibility that Aptom might have some degree of satience even when not in a specific form. 

The issue with energy, Aptom has a far smaller reserve than Zoalords. He has to eventually eat Zoanoids to make up for that fact, especially in battle. Even if Chronos did create some powerful  Hypers or Lost numbers, it's very unlikely they would even come close to a True Zoalord. But given the right circumstances, Aptom might eventually start to catch up. Currently he's only a bit more powerful than a Basic Guyver, and a Proto-Zoalord. Still, he can be killed and beaten by a Regular Guyver if he slips up, unlike True Zoalords who clearly are superior to anything below their class. 

If Aptom were to reach near Zoalord levels, he'd need to get some Zoanoids who have massive energy reserves that dwarf Elegan, a body that can handle enough damage and stress compared to a Zoalord, and energy field projection. Even then he'd still lack proper telepathy (he only has gasters telepathic missiles) and issues with recharging. The one advantage he has against Zoalords is his regeneration and ability to survive as small inkling of flesh and possibly escape if things go wrong, oh yeah, and the possibility he can clone himself to help even the odds. I wonder why he hasn't tried doing that more often. He split himself up by accident the first time because Alky decided to combust him from the inside out, while the second time he willingly did so to scare the crap out of Sho (When he masqueraded as Team 5 and Imakirum) 

[*Jess♥]

no, he was destroying those pieces to prevent them from building a brain.

remember there was a segment about that, how aptoms cells rebuild his body by undergoing ontogenesis.

 

yeah I have often thought about what possible energy storage capacity some zoanoids may have. we see orbs on some zoanoids but I think that is mainly for amplification purposes.

[Larz Zahn]

If you go by the 2005 series, powered zerebubuth had practically no energy reserves. And he's a hyper to boot.

[Guest Jupiter]

So in other words from the hints I'm getting. Aptom probably will never be at the level of any zoalord. That would mean the only reason he was able to kill the zoalord Kahn, was because he was weakened from his battle with Guyver 1: Gigantic Exceed and Aptom got off a lucky shot with his biofreezer.

[Lord Uziel]

thinking about Khan, is his ability to absorb the zoanoids to genereate a huge dragon body a way to increase his energy levels? if Aptom was able to "catalogue" his dna (he would have had some chance to absorb part of Khan's body) maybe now he has a similar power but without the need to increase is size? or maybe the ability to go gigantic... I don't know... my mind is full of imagination about what apton could do... in my opinion, at this point of the story he needs something to stay at the level of the guyver or at least closing a little bit the gap. Otherwise what can he do to help Sho in his mission?

I agree that is the zoacrystal the source of the power of the zoalords and it gives them the energy and the strength to make use of it. that's why the collected zoacrystals were guarded not by mere zoanoids but by Caerleon.

Edited June 16, 2014 by Lord Uziel

[neozxtole]

  Ok, so at this point, if Aptom doesn't absorb another Zoanoid, he dies? I mean, that is his "food" right? In order to stay alive he needs to absorb another Zoanoid. 

[*V Guyver]

It hasn't established if that is the actual case. For all we know, he can survive without food to begin with. What is known is that for him to continuously use his powers, he eventually has to absorb some Zoanoids, especially after coming in contact with the Aptom Virus. 

[Salkafar]

Aptom can probably cannibalize his own tissues to survive, so he might shrink but that's okay, so long as he gets away... there's no shortage of Zoanoids.

[*Jess♥]

[Larz Zahn]

Aptom's biolaser reminds me of Dune.

[*V Guyver]

Aptom's biolaser reminds me of Dune.

The sandworm? XD

[LordSpleach]

homonculus.jpg

 

 

Aptom's biolaser reminds me of Dune.

 

 

Aptom's biolaser reminds me of Dune.

The sandworm? XD

 

 

[Guest Jupiter]

Wasn't Aptom given the oppurtunity to join the Elite 5? Just wondering because some of the members mentioned it before Elegen made that offensive comment about Aptom just being a test subject and would be killed from all the experiments being done on his body. I'm just wondering how Aptom would have been given that option yet turned it down. It's apparent he had a grudge against them, it seemed other than power that Aptom was thirsting for. It was also getting the better of Zx-Tole and his crew.

[neozxtole]

 I don't remember that being said about Aptom. In which volume? 8?

[Guest Jupiter]

 I don't remember that being said about Aptom. In which volume? 8?

It was stated in the 2005 anime. I can't remember the exact episode, but its after he was monitoring Richard Guyot and some Enzyme 2's beat on Murakami and Guyver 3. Its the episode Sho has to re-connect to the Guyver Unit after his dad died.

[Cannibal]

As I understand there is NO chapter this month because of sudden illness of Yoshiki. Info from http://unit-g.sakura.ne.jp/

 

I think there is something about the next month's chapter, can't translate it properly.

[*Jess♥]

Thanks cannibal.
it just says next months issue was announced in print.  or something like that.