Terminator Terminator 5 : Genesis

[H222G981]

That trailer was epic. Makes me want to see it even more. I wonder what model that Terminator was who was bashing Arnie around. Looked like a new terminator model posing as John Connor. 

[*guyverfan]

to be honest, i wasn't going to see this movie due to the first trailers as it didn't really appeal to me. especially after the previous movie, just thought this one would be crap aswell. but after seeing this new trailer, i more than want to see it now because i want to know whats going on, it actually looks interesting.

although i don't know about a leaked script. guessing from this new trailer that john's not a terminator, but has used future tech developed by skynet to give himself immortality by creating this form for himself. so goes back in time himself to stop anyone from changing his future.

i really want to see this now.

[Shin Mefilas]

That trailer was epic. Makes me want to see it even more. I wonder what model that Terminator was who was bashing Arnie around. Looked like a new terminator model posing as John Connor. 

 

Ok I gave in and watched it.

 

Thats not a new model posing as John, that is John and he's been converted into a techno-organic terminator.

 

Ok so Terminator Models

 

T-1

 

 

T-20

 

 

T-70

 

 

T-400 AKA Clankers

 

 

T-500

 

 

T-600 -  The first known infiltrator unit - Latex rubber over a hyperalloy endoskeleton.

 

 

 

T-700

 

 

T-800 - Living tissue over a hyperalloy endoskeleton.

 

 

T-900 - Living tissue over a hyperalloy-armored endoskeleton.

 

 

T-1000 - Pure mimetic polyalloy 

 

 

T-X - The "Anti-Terminator Terminators" - Mimetic polyalloy over a hyperalloy-armored endoskeleton.

 

 

Rare/Unique Models

 

T-H - Terminator-Human Hybrid

 

 

TOK715 - Cameron

 

 

I-950 - Purely organic with cybernetic implants placed in the brain.

 

 

T-Infinity - Timeline Correction Model - Built with onboard time displacement equipmentand.

 

 

Unknown Model - Possablely techno-organic.

 

 

 

Terminator-Xenomorph Hybrid

 

Edited April 26, 2015 by Darkman

[H222G981]

Sucks that Cameron was scrapped at the end of the series. But it did finish with John being sent to the future for a boot camp as he always had memories of what was going on in the future like Sarah Connor, who also had memories of the future.

Any time....you send yourself in the future, or in an alternate time line. It creates a memory paradox where every bit of you in an alternate time line experiences flash backs or premonitions of the future.

Sarah Connor was going back and forth in time. Much like TSCC. They went forward in the future, and I imagine Sarah does go into the future war as well, which is why she sees glimpses of the future.

Like in T-3....John Connor dreams about the war.....well....thats because in one time like, he went into the future and came back.

In some novels, his past self from an alternate time line went into the future to replace a dead John Connor to continue the war with Skynet. While in another past time line....John Connor still existed.

 

Certain time lines....it was discovered that when Skynet did succeed, the future still remained the same. So it had to send Terminators to all of those time lines....just to be sure. There's been so much fan fiction, novels and comics on it. It can really make your head spin.

 

It seems if they make a mistake in one movie. Well, than they have the excuse to blame it on Time Paradox. It's just a good way to say there are no mistakes and if there is one. Well, they can crap out another movie to say that it wasn't.

 

Terminator is always going to have that back and forth issue. Go to the future, than go back to the past kind of thing. 

Edited April 27, 2015 by Jupiter Knight

[guyverfanatic]

While I find the newest trailer to be rather spoiler-y, I hope this new movie succeeds.

[H222G981]

Here is the new T-5 poster. Looks nice. 

Edited March 22, 2021 by Jupiter
I sounded nuts.

[*Jess♥]

I agree with your sentiment but I also think there is another way to look at it.

firstly, there is the enormity of such a fact, john connor being a synthetic life-form? well if the reveal was done well and if it was written well, it's not going to remain a secret for long. people would spoil it. so...in a way, they have engineered this to be the biggest non-spoiler in their movie. they can't 'own' the secret, so they are including this part of the story in their marketing. they are in effect, starting to tell their story before people have even paid their money. this could be quuite smart.

there is also the thing to consider about teh last movie. a perceived protagonist turns out to be a terminator. at this point, the idea of 'revealing' john connor as a synthetic, is really quite crappy,. having it as a shock reveal would be very anti climactic and have people scoffing at the screen. in this sense, I feel that revealing this information now and not trying to make it a 'shock horror' moment, they have kept it classy and enabled the movie to tell the story without trying to be cheap about the story elements.

 

I think the intersting parts of the story in this movie are the motivation of teh characters. why is john connor a synthetic? why is there an older terminator in hte past? what exactly are the stakes this time? it seems to be a much more challenging theme, rather than machines trying to kill humans, it's a question of humans becoming machines and potentially losing what makes us human.

I think this is more in tune with our modern day world and far more respectful of our intelligence. it doesn't insult us by recycling the same old forumula whilst switching up some elements. it's actually written with hte intention of communication a message.

whether or not it communicates this message well, is of course yet to be seen.

[H222G981]

I agree with your sentiment but I also think there is another way to look at it.

firstly, there is the enormity of such a fact, john connor being a synthetic life-form? well

I have thought of that but I thought that after how IT looked to me that he was trying kill his mother and Kyle Reese that it wasn't possible. I mean, they did shoot him in the previews than ran from him and its not like hes wanting to shake hands.

I always thought if Skynet sent a Terminator back in time that looked like John Connor. Than it would be hard to fight it thinking that it might John Connor for real. But what I do know is that John would never hurt his mother or make an attempt on Kyle's life as that would mean an end to his existence. So I am assuming that it isn't him.

Reason being why I assume that its a Terminator is that Kyle and Sarah probably haven't had sex yet. After all, Sarah and her Terminator kill of the original T-800 to keep it from killing her and Kyle. So...its obvious, they haven't done it yet.

Suddenly a Terminator that looks like John Connor pops up in the previews and flips a school bus with them in it. John wouldn't risk killing his mom or his paradox of a father with committing some sort of suicide. Thats what I'm thinking.

But than again. I did think, that its an alternate time line, as stated in the spoilers.....and you do have a point. There's a lot of maybes and contradicting things going on with this movie. I wish I had an answer for myself on this but sadly as we've yet to see it. I don't know anything aside from what I've seen in the 4 movies and TSCC.

Edited May 13, 2015 by Jupiter

[H222G981]

Sadly. I found out the movie got mostly negative reviews. This is discouraging.....

 

 

Terminator Genisys has received mostly negative reviews from critics. On Rotten Tomatoes, the film holds a rating of 23%, based on 43 reviews, with an average rating of 5/10. The site's critical consensus reads, "Mired in its muddled mythology, Terminator: Genisys is a lurching retread that lacks the thematic depth, conceptual intelligence, or visual thrills that launched this once-mighty franchise."[75] On Metacritic, the film has a score of 38 out of 100, based on 8 critics, indicating "generally unfavorable reviews".

 

Justin Chang of Variety said, "The movie's willingness to veer crazily off-course feels less objectionable than the monotony and sense of self-parody that kick in long before the whimper of a finish."Todd McCarthy of The Hollywood Reporter said that the film spends "half its time showing unkillable cyborg characters getting shot up only to quickly heal themselves", and the other half "trying to explain a plot that rewrites the entire series".Despite the criticism of early reviews, Tim Grierson of Screen International gave a positive review citing the pacing of the film along with its action

 

[*Jess♥]

that's disappointing. I've seen a cam and I've been thinking about giving it a peep.

maybe this is not worth going to the cinema for after all?

[*guyverfan]

saw this today and i can honestly say that it's a great movie.

its worth going to see at the cinema, totally recommend it.

i'm not sure that possibly most of the negativity about this film could be people/fans not liking the 10mins of recreated scenes from the previous first 2 movies?

or that they're dead set in their ways that characters should always remain the same?. but i can only say acouple of things about what we already know from the movies and trailers that won't spoil it too much. and after watching this today realized that the trailers didn't spill everything!

 

quantum time travel/displacement (marty!, where's the doc to explain this?)

 

by the way, anyone going to see it, there's a short scene after the credits, so don't rush off afterwards.

[RazorLaser]

Saw it last night.

 

Nowhere near as bad as what people/critics have been saying.

 

If you look at it from an alternate universe point of view, it's pretty good. I think people were mostly complaining because they treated it as if it was replacing T1/T2.

 

As a standalone film, there's only very few things I can complain about:

 

- It didn't necessarily "feel" like a Terminator film... The first 40 minutes did, then it kind of jumped ship.

 

- Cheap laughs and "PG13" rating (M in Australia). I understand why Hollywood do that nowadays, because money-hungry, greedy bastards. Film would have been a lot better with Arnie butt shots (no homo) and blood. Cheap laughs have taken over the world of cinema as it appeals to today's generation, unfortunately. I did chuckle though as some of it was executed pretty well.

 

- CGI. The helicopter scene was just crap. Compared to the helicopter scene in T2, Genisys was absolutely horrible when it came to special FX.

Other than that, it was very enjoyable.

 

Emilia Clarke is definitely no Linda Hamilton, but Jai Courtney was nowhere near as bad as I expected him to be (*cough* Godzilla *cough*).

 

***SPOILER ALERT***

 

John Connor's explanation of being "exiles in time" is a fair point and I generously let that "plot hole" (if you could call it that) slide because of that.

Would watch again. Much better than T3 and Salvation. Has nothing on T1 and T2 but it shouldn't necessarily be compared to the first two films because of reasons above.

[H222G981]

I saw it last night. The film was more based off of The Sarah Connor Chronicles. It doesn't surprise me being as both were made by Warner Brothers.

 

I think for those that watched that series would better understand this movie  seeing as it is based on an alternate time line. This movie if anything takes on the entire plot of TSCC. If you watched both seasons you will know really really notice this as its painfully obvious T-5 was the short version of this show. I $hit you not!

 

The T-800 in the movie theorized that Kyle had moved into a different time flow when he went through the time displacement equipment. 

 

So. It seemed Genysis was based after the first film except it was a different time line. As John Connor said, it wasn't the original time line, the same thing was stated by the T-800. In fact they had moved into a time of exile. Skipped the second, third, and fourth films in that time line and blew up another company no different than Cyberdyne. Arnold gets upgraded to a cross between a T-800 and a T-1000.

 

So as I understand it. John Connor no longer holds any importance in the series anymore. 

 

Similarities between TSCC and Genysis:

 

- Kyle and Sarah both show that they both end up on the high way after going through time. Except this time its not Cameron, John and Sarah.  

- Sarah Connor is no longer dead

- Sarah Connor is the lead character again and is in her early 20's. As shown in Terminator and TSCC.

- We see Kyle Reece as a boy. Both TSCC and T-5 show him as a child in pre-Judgment Day.

- In both T-5 and TSCC. A bus gets flipped over by a Terminator trying to kill the protagonists. First episode TSCC, a T-888 flips a school bus over and crawls over it to kill John Connor. 

Ironically. John Connor flips a bus over with his mother and Kyle in it. 

- Ironically as John was sent to the future in the very last episode of TSCC. He goes into the past as an adult, yet as Yuki had suspected. He was a assimilated Terminator. T-3000.

 

 

The only major difference in all of the Terminator films is that T-5 broke the film traditions. The T-800 or in Arnold's case is always obliterated at the end of the film. In all Terminator films, Arnold mainly uses his right hand. In both T-2 and T-5. Arnold looses his left arm. 2 it was crushed. 5 it was cut off. 

[BlackEpyon]

Looking forward to seeing Terminator: Genesys soon.  I have heard rumours that this installment of the Terminator will merge the lines between the movies and The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

[Salkafar]

Saw it. Liked it.

 

***

 

It's a damn sight better than 'Salvation'. Even if it was pretty unsubtle in places.

Edited July 19, 2015 by Salkafar

[odin]

I like it, this movie opens a lot of possibilities and confirmed to me that the time theory in the Terminator series being used is more like the the DBZ universe which is multiple universes and

saw the T-800 upgrading from a mile away.

so lets see what happens on the next movie cause the future is really not set. Also as a Doctor who fan I can't help but laugh when I saw the role they give to Matt Smith, considering the premise of the movie. XD

Edited July 20, 2015 by odin

[H222G981]

There's been a lot of criticism about Emilia Clark's version of Sarah Connor. I guess people don't understand that Sarah Connor was originally based on Linda Hamilton and that's why no one can ever portray her in the way Linda Hamilton did. People don't seem to understand that Linda Hamilton refused to reprise her role in T-3 because she said that there was no point and that it didn't take her character in any new directions. But they gripe when a new actress tries to fill in the shoes of Sarah Connor. It honestly should not be up for debate if Linda Hamilton didn't reprise the role. Personally. I though Emilia Clark and Lena Headey did a good job bringing a new side to the character. 

[BlackEpyon]

I watch Genesys a few weeks ago and I honestly liked!  It is a much better sequal than Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines and Terminator Salvation.  Of course nobody could play Sarah Connor as well as Linda Hamiliton, but Emilia Clarke did a pretty good job of playing a teenage Sarah Connor.  Which does change the story of the original Terminator, as Sarah Connor seemed to be in her mid 20s in the original Terminator movie.  In Genesys she seems to be a teenager.

[xfool]

I was expecting them mating  at the end when he said 'theres one more thing left to do' , feels like Kyle could be gay when he doesnt seem to have any reaction when they are naked together.

[Salkafar]

Persistent fear of death at the hands of a practically unstoppable killing machine who used to be your best friend is probably a pretty good boner-killer. (Boner-terminator?)

[Shin Mefilas]

I liked it if I'm honest. Not perfect but entertaining and fun.

[H222G981]

One of the best scenes ever!

 

Edited October 22, 2015 by ixtli