Guyvers weapons How the Guyver's host activates it's weapons.

[Guest The Ultimate Guyver]

How does the Host of the Guyver command the suit to activate it's weapons, does he/she do it through thought or does the suit reconize the situation I have been wondering this since I first started watcing the Guyver since I was 5.

[river_chaos]

I would assume through thought, almost like instinct.

The brain sends electric messages through the nervous system to move, breath, etc. Since the armor is attatched to the nervous system and brain, I would assume that it would be similar to that in a way only that the host would need to the think to use a weapon until it becomes instinct like driving a car.

[RazorLaser]

[Guest The Ultimate Guyver]

I thought that the guyver itself reconized the situation and chose the best weapon for the job.

[*YoungGuyver]

It seems to be a little of column A, and a little of column B.

The best way to describe the function of the Control Metal is to say that it makes the will of the host a reality within the possibilities of the armor. It is of course limited by it's ability to read the host's mind. If the brain is destroyed it is incapable of doing this and can only defend the host at all costs while regeneration takes place. This basic mind reading action is probably why the Gigantic was formed from the Relic... it is safe to assume that all Control Metals in Advent/Uranos/Creator tech operate on this basic principal.

Given this, the control metal will use the weapons itself without the host realizing it if it serves the general will of the host. The host can also actively will the weapons to work just as he wills his arm to work, as the unit becomes and extension of his own body.

Granted, this is all theory. Is it worthy of a wiki submission though?

[*Jess♥]

I like all your thoughts about this.

YoungGuyver, of course it is worthy of a submission in the wiki, the beauty of our wiki is that it is not wikipedia and original research is allowed to some degree provided that it is clear that it is original research.

I personally view it like siri. a much more advanced version of course.

Shou: "siri, I want to remove this creatures head from it's neck."

Siri: "I have activated your sonic swords. here is a diagram of where you slice."

of course I believe the dialogue occurs at a more fundamental level where it does not need to use words or grammar. as has already been said, you want to move your arm, it moves.

[Aether]

I think this goes back to the VDF where we are told that Sho becomes one with the Guyver, in short - the whole of the Guyver is Sho's body- hes not inside it, he is it .

So Sho firing a headbeam is just like a snake spraying venom, it happens because it wants it to happen, because it wills it to happen, because it knows it has it at its disposal and warrants it necessary at that moment as a means of defense.

i agree that there is clearly 2 modes here

1. Sho conscious where he is in control and

2. Sho unconscious where the Guyver organism is in control

i dont think it was this easily distinguishable at first though.

Maybe Sho did think basically what he wanted and the armour acted accordingly but now i think Sho has a total handle on what the armour can do and so he is totally in control, deciding which weapon is best for the job of how to smash Zoanoids to bits.

however i dont think the Guyver armour does act while Sho is conscious, otherwise he would be conflicted. Sho has been Bio Boosted so along with what it does to his body, Sho senses what the unit senses because they become his sensory organs - because Sho needs to react to it, otherwise sho would just kind of be in an exoskeleton with the machine defending him inside without him even driving it. i dont think thats how it is, Sho is responsible for his (and the oganisms ) survival as soon as he calls the suit because they are both the GUYVER!!

Sho is responsible when he's conscious wearing the suit and the unit is responsible when he's unconscious..

its like a tag team, one in one out, but working as a team on the whole.

Edited June 20, 2012 by Aether

[Guest The Ultimate Guyver]

But when Sho first became the guyver he didn't know how to work the suit so the control medal activated it's weapons, which confused me and had me wondering.

[Aether]

the first time he became the Guyver Sho was unconsciousand the armour was in survival mode, but after that like i said there must have been a learning period when Sho did think what he wanted and the armour acted accordingly but thats to be excpected, i presume the organism was getting used to its modified human form, just as much as Sho was getting used to his Guyver form.

[*YoungGuyver]

I disagree with you Aether.

I think the unit is acting constantly to make the will of the host a reality within the limits of the armor.

Defined that way, there is no conflict with the host. And it would explain a few things in the manga, from how weapons were activated by the armor at first, to the head beam firing at bullets in the anime, and even the reformatting of the Gigantic. All these have served what the hosts wants to do

[Aether]

haha. i know you do, thats why i put what i thought because i disagree with you.

i think despite being said slightly diferent we are thinking along the same lines. depends how you define 'acting', and your thoughts on the actual interaction of unit and host.

but

i certainly dont think the unit would activate weapons of its own accord while Sho is conscious anymore though. that would be conflicting, it would be like having a punching action as a nervous twitch,and even in a fight it would be distracting if its not part of your overall strategy.

[*Jess♥]

I guess it's a question of where consciousness starts and ends.

do we control our hands, or do we ask for the hands to do something and our body does it for us?

when we are riding a bike, do we push the pedals around or do we ask for the pedals to go around and the tool does it for us?

when we use a computer, do we open a program or do we ask the computer and it does it for us?

when I am typing this message, are you now reading words written by me, or are you reading my computer's interpretation of what I asked it to tell you?

[Larz Zahn]

I always thought of it as the guyver reading shos intent. At first he saw a threat and had to respond. sho at this time was quite passive in nature. so the suit took the intent,guided by his conscience thought to unfolding situation. sho basically was along for the ride in a third person manner.

"that zoanoid is a threat and i cant reach him" suit activates megasmasher.

"punches and head beam dont work on zerebubuth, i gotta do something or im finished." suit uses pressure cannon.

As sho became more assertive he took a more controlling approach to the guyver.

At least thats how i thought of it.

[unit 0]

i always thought that the unit showed him how to use the weapon at need then left it to his discretion afterwards, as in it could see a better way of dealing with whatever it was facing and showed it sho (lol @ showed it sho) but after would leave it to him unless he was unconscious, sort of like sho being my tactics not working, and the unit showing him a different strategy.

almost like at the early stages they were still getting to grips with each other.

if it was reading his intent surely the first ability he would have got was flight coz he was always wanting to be somewhere in a hurry, running to or away.

[Guest The Ultimate Guyver]

But then again Guyver 3, when explaing to Guyver 1 during the destruction of Cronos Japan told him about how the gravital orb on his waist could make him levitate/fly by focusng his thoughts. At some point I thought thats how he activated his weapons but I then relized that he was using his weapons before Guyver 3 told him.