if you like naruto...

[*Jess♥]

ha ha , yeah like the ginyuu special forces.

named after milk products.

ginyuu - gyuunyuu - milk

baataa - butter

ghurd - curd

i got the entire manga. it's in japanese but thats ok, not much talking in dragonball and i can translate/understand a few things.

i'll read the rest of it.

[*Jess♥]

I think the dragonball manga is awesome.

Dragonball Z is good.

Dragonball kai will be better.

here is what i am thinking dragonball kai might do with majin buu.

the first screen is a raw screenshot of dragonball z.

the second is akira toriyama's coloured panel from the manga.

the third is my own adjustment of Dragonball Z screenshot to look like what i hope dragoball kai will look like.

[durendal]

I feel that the colored images in the manga were a little bit raw or pale. I suppose the way the manga was printed and the type of media has something to do about it. I would imagine that the colors would be a little more lively. Of course, not so pink as compared to the original one.

[*Jess♥]

yeah there were fewer colours used. a limited palette.

so for example, in this sequence, it was mostly pink and yellow, but no blues or greens.

I compared another sequence from the cell games. in that sequence, green was not present so cell appeared grey. in dragonball kai, the colour scheme seemed closely matched to the manga colours apart from the obvious addition of greens and other colours.

[*Jess♥]

reading eethers comments in the favourite moments thread...

I miss that time.

the moments when i first started watching naruto.

I had found something really awesome.

I remember those first moments when I saw orochimaru for the first time.. I had no idea who this guy was.

it was incredible.

and in retrospect, the mystery was delightful.

it was so wonderful to be able to move through that story and have it unfold.

it seems that anything I watch after having such a treat... is only ever gonna be inferior.

dragonball was special in it's own way, but i think what I had with naruto was too special and can never be experienced again.

I don't think there is going to be anything that has the raw emotion of the fights... for example the first time naruto allowed kyuubi's chakra to come out... and the pure bliss of the happy times and the joy of when something good happens and the other emotions that are threaded throughout the story.

there's a reason why it's popular.

it took a lot of it's keys from dragonball, but it added so much on top of it and became far superior in many ways.

of course it will never beat dragonball in pure BALLS. dragonball is full of AWESOME, in many fight scenes. it's so outrageous that you can't match it. just the pure unadulteraded power of it. naruto can't match that, although kyuubi does a good job of simulating it.

still watching one piece. it's not bad, and has some certain charms. I'm still not sure how it has continued for so long. the characters are becoming more likeable but i still can't figure out what it's main strength is. why is it so popular? I just don't understand that yet.

(i'm up to episode 14, captain kuro)

[durendal]

I think that with One Piece, it is en ensemble cast that makes it work. I mean, right now, you only have Luffy and if I'm not mistaken, Zoro and Ussop. Wait until Luffy gathers the rest of the crew. There are also emotional fights in the series, and you'll find that Luffy has a lot of "Heart".

[Aether]

i obviously agree with ryukis comments on naruto

even if anything could approach naruto id be surprised, but for me personally it cant be beat. every aspect of it rules from character design to the music. i think i said before pirates dont - forgive the pun- float my boat. what can beat quirky cool dressed ninjas?? theres other stuff in naruto like in dbz that loosley relates to real martial arts aswell which i like.

i think im resigned to the fact i'll never see one piece due to the amount of eps there is, but i'll look forward to your opinion on it if you stick with it ryuki.

[*Jess♥]

it's funny, last nights episode was really good and covered a lot of key things that i believe are strengths for the series.

the idea of 'nakama' came to me, as I had heard it been used by other people.

with luffy so far are nami, and zoro. obvoisly ussop is there, but he is not part of luffy's crew. I had ex-pected him to join luffy so it's not really a spoiler.

that episode just worked really well to bring it all together.

this is the episode where kuro arrived at the hill to he beach. he showed his amazing stealth movement.

the thing about one piece is the character design is so odd, it appears stupid and awkward and is difficult to relate to at first.

I think maybe in time, one might be able to get used to it and relate to it more readily.

it does help that at the moment, pirates are more prominent with gokaiger.

[durendal]

The character designs in One Piece are something of an acquired taste. At first, I totally couldn't believe that someone as odd looking as Luffy is the main character in One Piece, add to that his silly devil fruit power to stretch like Plastic Man, I thought he was lame. but after seeing all his actions and his interaction with his crew and other people, I started rooting for him the same way I rooted for Naruto.

Did they subbed it as "Nakama"? Even if it was cool, I feel frustrated that they will use "Nakama" instead of "Comrade". Even the scanlators of the manga is using "Nakama" which is really peeving me off. And believe me, "Nakama" is used a lot in One Piece.

[*Jess♥]

i haven't come across it yet.

but I heard somewhere that the translators were having trouble with Nakama due to it's tendency to be used for friend and comrade and there not being a 100% accurate term in english.

[durendal]

I don't know. I always percieved the term "comrade" to have a stronger bond than "friend". I mean, in military terms, a "Comrade-in-arms" is someone who will lay down their life for you. Something I find hard that a friend would do. As I see it, comrades share a distinct honor with one another, a trait that is quite similar to the traditional Japanese honor. Perhaps because I mostly see Russians use the term, and I often see them being honor bound with their comrades.

[*Jess♥]

I understand, yeah i think what you say is mostly likely the best translation for it.

I can't remember exactly what i read but perhaps it is just them being lazy.

I do so hate it when people take liberties.

[Larz Zahn]

i actually was pleased when they switched to nakama.

for me, at least where i live, the terms friend and comrade are took for granted. for the word friend, most people here call anyone who is nice to them a friend. and as for comrade, no one ever uses it anymore, me and one other guy have used it in the past year, and we got mocked for it, cause its an... how did they put it, ah. an " out of date word".

no one really gets the meanings for words anymore so the emotion and feeling behind them are so diluted now its practically useless. same goes with honor.

i have a code of honor that i try to live by. ya know, morals ethics that sorta thing, but everyone here doesnt get it and thinks im simply stupid to, regulate how i act and live.

thats why i was so thrilled when they started to use nakama. it brought to mind the full meaning, the raw emotion and feeling connected to that word. heh, i dont have anything other to describe what i think other than emotion and feeling. hehe.

so ryuki, where ya at in one peice now?

[*Jess♥]

ha ha ha

I kinda stopped again.

i dunno, when i have a choice what to watch, I prefer to watch other things.

i'm not sure that i can get into one-piece. I stuck with it for a while and I'm wondering if it is really necessary to force myself into something.

to be honest, if i was gonna get into it, I would have liked it from the first episode.

[*Jess♥]

I finished dragonball z.

completely watched it all.

it's strange that it's now all over.

I had considered watching dragonball GT but i am led to believe that it is disastrous.

[Larz Zahn]

im not sure as i beleive what im about to tell you is hearsay.

but the gt series was made by different people who mad dragonball and z.

plus vegeta has a mouchstach. or however you spell it.

[Aether]

Maybe its just because i like dragonball so much but im going out on a limb and i'm going to say GT is ok (in lower case).

now, if you were to watch DBGT from the beginning you would no doubt hit something in frustration of how cak it is. but it does get better than the first story arc, which is pretty poor.

i believe they even negated to air it in the USA at first and thats why they are called 'the lost episodes' on the US dvd release. they did show them in order when it aired in the UK and it had a different dub. however the US version has a lame rap intro that makes me laugh so its all good.

however if you just want to have DB and DBZ as a nice contained memory do so, forget GT.

Think of it this way -to me Z in the Freeza through the android and upto the end of the cell games saga is the golden age of DB. Past that its cool but just isnt what it was.

DBGT takes that to a new level. like Larz said Vegeta has a moustache for F**s sake

one thing that annoys me about continuations of a series is that newer villians kind of negate older villains in terms of power and it really just isnt feasible.

theres some cool stuff contained in GT but is there enough for Ryuki ?? im not too sure

Edited July 26, 2011 by Eether

[*Jess♥]

I kinda think when it comes to the majin buu saga, there are a lot of important things that happen. like the change in goku and vegeta's relationship.

there was a lot of things that really got finished off well.

I love the fact that mr satan actually did save the world in many ways. obviously he couldn't have done it on his own, but if it weren't for him, they would have been finished. very cool.

I guess it would be kinda perverted watching GT. it doesn't fit into the original story that Toriyama wrote.

that's why i want to find other stories by him. blue dragon has turned out pretty ok, even though toriyama didn't write it.

I'd like to watch dr slump but i doubt i will be able to get hold of it.

vegeta with a moustache....? uuuuhhhhhhh

oh yeah, last thing i wanted to say, majin buu saga is kinda essential at explaining why the series is called 'Z'.

[Aether]

this is what confuses me with kai - why not do the entire series?? although i suppose like i said to me the 'golden age' was covered so thats good but it just seems a bit silly to not complete it.

anyway when you say about it being called Z do you mean because there really was nowhere else for it to go after the kid buu saga or some other esoteric thing ive overlooked???? (or maybe forgot knowing me!)

Also last i remember i think you were trying to get into One Piece? how did that go??

[durendal]

It's no use Eether, we've tried. Countless times actually. Ryuki just won't respond to wacky pirates.

[*Jess♥]

yeah , I've give it 3 tries and really tried to stick with it.

I'd like to watch it so i can join in on your conversations about it, but I just don#'t seem to enjoy it.

anyway when you say about it being called Z do you mean because there really was nowhere else for it to go after the kid buu saga or some other esoteric thing ive overlooked???? (or maybe forgot knowing me!)

nope, nothing esoteric.

The Z sword. it's the only thing in the entire series that refers specifically to 'Z'.

and it had been suggested that the series was focusing more on Gohan than Goku.

of course, the way that came across was not as effective as it could have been. it was Goku who finished off the final baddie.

which sort of explains why they might have stopped it at the end of the cell saga, because it was gohan that finished him. and of course, that series being called kai, there was no reference to the 'z sword' or by extension what could be considered the 'z power' ?

[Aether]

Oh right

i like your theory but im not sure its 100% correct. i think they dropped the Z for kai to identify 1. that it was 'revised' and 2. that it was closer to the manga.

i think the references later on in Z are one of the old chicken n egg things. i didn't think there was much in the name of the Z sword, Z fighters or that there was any particular Z power other than it was a play on the name of the show( and if there was i wish Toriyama would have expanded on it).

the Z fighters were known as that before the later sagas as i have an old Japanese trading card released before the later sagas that labels them as the 'Z soldiers' even though from as far as i know no one ever mentions the collective as the Z fighters/ soldiers etc. in the anime or manga itself?...

Apparently the Z was just to differentiate DB from Z for the animes and as the second part of Dragonball took it to a much higher degree of power (certainly compared to the first part of DB) Toriyama picked the end of the roman alphabet to signify that it took it to the limit (he of course went much further than his fist limit as the series went on and on with regards to power!!!) so equally it could have been called Dragonball Omega or the Omega Sword etc.

i think!

C'mon man it had to finish with Goku v kid Buu, hes the main character! but most of DBZ was very much focused on the growing up of Son Gohan just as DB was on Son Goku, i think that could be one drawback to the sagas after Cell because Goten's transition to Gotenks just wasnt as good as Goku and Gohans growing up story?? i dont know.

As for one piece as i said before i was never really bothered about it as theres just tooooo many eps to catch up on if its not totally mind bendingly awesome, so i was interested in what Ryuki made of it.

i tried to get into Bleach again, and it is OK but i dont seem to have been captured by it as im only on about ep 10 but i do intend to keep watching it to see where it goes. im still watching Yu Yu Hakusho which i enjoy.

[durendal]

I don't think the "Z" means anything. Z was only applied to the anime to differentiate it from the kid goku and the adult goku. The manga, all throughout the entire run, was only called Dragon Ball. A little search from the Japanese wiki mentions that Toriyama himself named the series [Z] because he wanted Dragon Ball to end early by using the last letter of the alphabet", and later, in the pin up poster in Jump comics, [Z] was explained as the "ultimate" or "strongest". The "Z Warriors" was only used when a game was produced.

[*Jess♥]

ugh dammit, I am so tired, I shouldn't have read this.

i think i can reply to something you have said, but i can't figure it out at all.

is there something i can reply to?

I tell you what, I'll write something you can respond to so i can see a response in the topic and remember to read again and reply tomorrow.

which is your favourite version of buu, not the good one, the bad one.

i mean when he is bad.

[Aether]

i think Durendal kind of confirmed what i said with regard to Z.

As for Buu i prefer it when hes in the version before Kid Buu ( ie not the extra fat or the extra skinny one ) but the medium 'normal' body Buu as the character was more engaging he could fight and was articulate.