Gigantic XD weight/height ratio

[*Jess♥]

The significant percentage of the Gigantic being raw contained energy can be noted by the fact the Exceed isn't as heavy as a 52 meter tall Gigantic should be, just compare to how heavy Godzilla is and the Exceed is pretty damn light in comparison...

zeo, I'd like to understand your reason for saying XD is light for its size...

because the way i worked it out, he is insanely heavy for his size.

gigantic height to weight ratio is 1.45 whereas the XD height to weight ratio is 517.31 .

if we take that ratio and apply it to Guyver 1.. normal Guyver 1... that would make him 90 tons.

shouldn't XD be 7 tons?

I dunno, it seems like maybe height to weight ratio doesn't work in this fashion?

i mean.. i just checked on elephant, and a large elephant can weight 10 tons...

so how does this work?

I thik we have to work in 3 dimensions don't we?

ok hold on....

[*Jess♥]

ok taking account of 3 dimensions.. i did some maths and my ratio is as follows -

guyver gigantic is 1.95 height to weight ratio

gigantic XD is 1.91 height to weight ratio.

as a side note, I found it interesting to discover that Guyver 1 height weight ratio is 4.95. which suggests gigantic Guyver is incredibly less dense than normal guyver.

[*zeo]

It's because of volume, take for example one standard die (as in dice). We’ll assume that it’s a perfect cube at 1 inch by 1 inch by 1 inch in dimensions. It therefore has a surface area of 6 square inches, and a volume of 1 cubic inch. (As you know the surface area of each side is calculated as length x width. Each side therefore has a surface area of 1 inch x 1 inch or 1 inch^2. There are 6 sides, so the total surface area is 6 x 1 inch^2. The volume is length x width x height, so the volume is 1 inch x 1 inch x 1 inch or 1 inch^3.)

To double the dimensions of a single die, we’d need 8 dice. We’d need 2 dice to double the length of a single die; 2 dice to double the width; and 2 dice to double the height. So, to make a cube twice the size of a single die, we’d need 2 x 2 x 2 = 8 dice. The surface area of this new die would be 2^2 x 6 square inches = 24 square inches, and its volume (of course), would be 2 x 2 x 2 = 8 cubic inches. You’ve probably noticed that the surface area/volume ratio of the original die is 6:1, while the surface area/volume ratio of the new die is only 3:1. If we keep making bigger dice, the amount of surface area relative to volume drops dramatically as the dice get bigger.

So, as things get bigger, their weight (which is a function of their volume) increases dramatically faster than does their surface area. This has a number of important consequences. Not least of these is that if you double something’s size and keep its proportions the same, its weight doesn’t double or even quadruple – it increases by a factor of eight!

Apply this to the Exceed and it quickly becomes apparent that it is extremely light for its size and as you noted even the normal Gigantic ratio is lighter than the normal Guyver. Substantiating that much of the Gigantic structure is just filled with energy and is why it collapses if it uses up too much energy and auto-deactivates.

This is why I mentioned Godzilla, who at a similar size would weigh in multiple of tens of thousands of tons (think walking battleship). Even Khan's Dragon Lord form is a bit light for its size.

Though this does offset the need for the material an object is made up of to be stronger along with the size increase to offset the increased mass.

A Giant Ant (Like in the monster movie Them) for example in real life would weigh as much as a tank and would be crushed by its own weight.

[*Jess♥]

i don't know about it being extremely light for its size.

as far as weight to height ratio, as i worked it out, I would be 1.5 and XD is around 1.9.

just so you know how i worked it out..

I actually used an abstract method so my numbers don't actually refer to any real world thing.

the numbers are only useful as a direct comparison between the different forms of guyver. (and a human - me )

I can't use any real world data because i can't figure out the volume of a humanoid shape. so i took the volume of a cube that has the dimensions of the figure's height. so the actual number for each one, would be lower. because teh volume i was using is much higher.. only the compariosn would be ok because i used teh same ratio of cube for each figure. oh, and i shifted a few decimal places as well, because otherwise the numbers would be isane. don't worry i kept it uniform, I shifted teh same number decimal place for each subject.

it's messy, but it's workable

[*Jess♥]

I changed my method of working out to try and get a more accurate value for the volume of the body.

I used an estimated radius of the body and used a cylinder as a dummy object.

i used my own midriff as a basis for the radius (20cm) then compared to height to get XD midriff as well.

i worked out the rough radius of the dummy cylinder by taking the expected density of teh human body and the height of myself vs my weight and some maths stuff.

me

height

175 cm

radius

12 cm

volume

79200 cm^3

weight

80 kg

weight/height

80/79200

0.001010

that's approx 1.010g per cubic cm.

guyver XD

height

5200 cm

radius

357 cm

volume

2082880800 cm^3

weight

2690000 kg

weight/height

2690000/2082880800

0.001291

that's 1.291g per cubic cm.

i'd like to work out the others with htis level of accuracy, but i have to go gym at this moment.

p.s. I've taken this off topic so I'll consider splitting it later. apologies for that.

EDIT: adjusted to fit human density with that of water

[*zeo]

i don't know about it being extremely light for its size.

as far as weight to height ratio, as i worked it out, I would be 1.5 and XD is around 1.9.

And what would the normal Guyver's Weight be increased to Exceed size?

[*Jess♥]

hmm, if we incresed guyvers size and kept it at the same ratio....

well first i'll work out guyvers ratio based on a dummy cylinder.

guyver

height

174 cm

radius

12 cm

volume

78747 cm^3

weight

261 kg

weight/height

261/78747

0.003314

that's 3.314g per cubic cm.

so... now to figure out with the height difference..

i'll work backwards from teh volume of XD.

XD is 2082880800

ratio * volume = weight

0.003314*2082880800 = 6902666 kg.

that would make it 6900 tons

why do you ask?

edit: readjusting measurements to fit human density with the density of water.

[*zeo]

that would make it 6900 tons

why do you ask?

To highlight why I said the Exceed is light for its size. 6900 versus 2690 is a big difference in weight and generally speaking objects get denser as they get bigger as otherwise they will start collapsing under their own weight. A human at 52 meters tall for example at same density would just collapse like a water balloon under their own weight. The Gigantic doesn't seem to follow this rule however and not only is less dense but is more powerful.

Take Godzilla, one of Takaya's sources of inspiration, when it first appeared it was about 50 meters tall and weighed about 22,000 tons. Or the other inspiration source Ultraman, who at 52 meters weighs over 26,000 tons.

Look at giant monster after giant monster (or Mecha) and it quickly becomes apparent Takaya made the Exceed a real light weight. As your own calculations show the Exceed is less than half the mass it would be if the mass/density ratio to its volume had stayed the same as it does for the normal Guyver. And that's not counting the increased volume of the Gigantic like the shoulder pods, etc. Just compare the body proportions of the Gigantic to host unit and you can probably easily push that estimate to well over 7000 tons. Though as you noted the Gigantic is already less dense to begin with.

This is part of why I concluded that the Gigantic and thus the Exceed are probably mostly filled with energy so it's not as dense as it should be for its size but the energy compensates, otherwise it would be hard to explain how the Exceed has proportional abilities and can stop a normal Purgatorium with just its open palm (the energy can also explain the color change btw)...

An interesting side note... I looked up proportional size to mass scale for primates and it turns out the normal Gigantic weighs as much as a Gorilla would at the same height.

[*Jess♥]

6900 versus 2690 is a big difference in weight

yeah, this is what i thought you were driving at.

well remember that Guyver is incredibly dense anyway. normal Guyver is 3 times as dense as a normal human being.

anyway, he structure of the Guyver is obviously different from a human being so I don't believe that gigantic can be said to be light for it's size. rather it is lighter than one would expect for it's size. technically it isn't but then we're just mincing words now.

since teh Guyver is obviously made from complex protein structures.. more coplex than our own.. it would have to be to be so much more powerful than us.. if the Guyver is so strong, then the structure is obviously stronger and so could withstand that enormous weight in a way our own bodies could not.

I guess this does mean that the structure is under more stress though...

I guess it would be like staying the same size and increasing gravity?

how do you suppose teh XD would cope with hte incresed stresses on the body?

how would we go about calculating the kind of stresses involved?

it makes me think of the time when the cronos soldiers were pinned to hte ground at mount minakami.. the zoalord 12 were standing up with apparently very little strain on them.

[*Jess♥]

now here's something interesting to consider.....

Draglord Khan

height

8200 cm

radius

562 cm

volume

8139751086 cm^3

weight

6720000 kg

weight/height

6720.000/8139751.086

0.000825

that's 0.825g per cubic cm.

Alkanphel

height

292 cm

radius

20 cm

volume

367086 cm^3

weight

302 kg

weight/height

302/367086

0.000823

that's 0.823g per cubic cm.

Guyot

height

309 cm

radius

21 cm

volume

428273 cm^3

weight

451 kg

weight/height

451/428273

0.001053

that's 1.053g per cubic cm.

Aptom IV

height

226 cm

radius

16 cm

volume

181833 cm^3

weight

377 kg

weight/height

377/181833

0.002073

that's 2.073g per cubic cm.

Libertus

height

220 cm

radius

15 cm

volume

155571 cm^3

weight

180 kg

weight/height

180/155571

0.001157

that's 1.157g per cubic cm.

[*zeo]

An interesting theory on scaling and how it applies to life... http://hep.ucsb.edu/courses/ph6b_99/0111299sci-scaling.html

Anyway, yes, Gravity becomes more of a factor as you scale things up because things like surface area ratio versus volume become so different as you scale things. The increase in strain can be considered by just how much the mass increased versuse how much the density increases.

If the density remains the same then the mass increase is an increase in strain and the Exceed would thus be under about ~6,144 times the strain as the normal Gigantic would be from gravity alone.

This is because surface area increases in 2 dimensions but volume increases in 3, so for every doubling of height results in 8x the weight.

As to how the Exceed could be possible despite its counter intuitive density to mass ratio for its size...

Ever watched the movie "The Core"?

The made up metal they invented to make travel to the center of the Earth possible is one possible method. Using the pressure of the stored energy to increase the strength of the Bio-Material.

In real life similar reactions are being used to create fibers that expand and bunch up to absorb explosive force, etc. So it's technically possible even though the idea basically breaks down to creating the durability of a diamond from the physics of a balloon.

[*Jess♥]

the energy creates the structural integrity?

that's a really interesting concept.. It's something I have been playing with before.

a type of potential energy. remember when we were trying to explain the incresed mass of zoanoids and the apparent lack of weight that would be present if it was standard stored energy.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main...liedPhlebotinum

I think this could be 'bio-energy'.

we've attempted to isolate bio-energy for a while, but perhaps it is something that we should just keep as an abstract.

[*YoungGuyver]

Finally I am back into this!

Yes, it feels good.

Anyway, I need to go back for the last few volumes, but just reading this, the mass and height being off, it sounds like the Gigantic isn't really growing. I mean, growing yes from one perspective. But what if the Gigantic Exceed is doing some sort of dimension shift. You know, bending the dimensions around in order to be larger within our dimension. No new cells being generated, but a single cell taking up that much more space. There are a few ways in which the energy could propagate itself within such a system. That might explain why the control metal also appears larger-the same control metal, but being seen through a dimensional magnifying glass. The energy within the Exceed as that magnifying glass.

I want to see how the Exceeds Gigasmashers work. I want to see the damage, how much is truly done, and to what extend. I mean, I can believe that the energy compressor in the wrist can compress the natural energy of the surrounding environment into a pressure canon, but I'm still curious about the energy collection of the Gigasmasher. Still, the Exceed stores energy within the body, but it's one place to look for evidence.

[*Jess♥]

I think that's a really interesting concept. dimensinal shifting?

are you suggesting a partial shift?

because the weight is incresed. not as much as one might expect, but it is increased.

normal gigantic is the same ratio as XD.

I dunno, it seems to me that what this is suggesting is that the gigantic armour is simply extremely less dense than normal Guyver and perhaps uses some more exotic means for structural integrity. a means that doesn't need to scale like normal matter as we would expect.

[*Jess♥]

if it uses dimensional shifting as you suggested, I guess that would make sense.

that would place gigantic as normal height of Guyver 1.

and the increase in height is not due to gigantic stretching the host, it is due to a magnifying glass effect?

how does this interact with our environment?

I can;t think of any way to proceed with this kind of wild idea!

I like it though.

maybe you could add more to this youngguyver? give us more of your thoughts and how we could work out how it might occur.

[*zeo]

Here's a good layman paper written on the understanding of making things bigger and smaller, http://fathom.lib.uchicago.edu/2/21701757/

As for dimensional shift, what could work in my opinion would be to envelope the Gigantic in a multi-dimensional field. Scaling then becomes easy but the problem I see with the idea is that it would alter physical constants in order to accomplish this and this would have noticeable side effects. The least of which would be a color shift.

But the scene in which the Exceed used its back thrusters seem to indicate that it is still following normal physics and needed extra thrust in order to fly up. The mini-black hole also seems to indicate this as otherwise it should have returned to a smaller normal size once fired, if it was being artificially enlarged dimensionally.

Other methods, like manipulating empty space (method used in "Honey, I Shrunk the Kids" and "Honey, I Blew up the Kid") would have the problem of maintaining the original mass regardless of size. So Exceed would be light like a balloon with that method.

So I don't think it was dimensional...

[*YoungGuyver]

I need to see the manga, but what is the problem about the gigantic using the thrusters to fly up? It's done that before, or at least used them for flight anyway. And as I said, given as I described, the pressure canon wouldn't really be affected. Because->

If gravity is at the very least a little transdimensional, then when the energy compressors in the wrist start to fold the energy within the space, any energy in the surrounding space would be caught in the gravitational pattern. Akin to the small pressure canon of the regular guyver, or the large artificial black hole of Imakarum. So long as the pattern can be created, a gravity distortion of a particular type can be created. Akin to large black holes and miniature black holes. Size is not the issue, but density, or in this case, artificial gravity pattern of folded space.

I can think of several ways for a particle to shift size. But I have a question, does it look like the Exceed is always running an energy task? Are the gravity controllers always turned on? Or are the energy amps of the gigantic always turned on? Like glowing or something? That would be an indicator that they are running an energy function, that the energy that the Gigantic siphoned in order to go Exceed didn't just create more mass. That would be an indicator that the energy is still in a (by comparison) raw state, and is being used to maintain the Exceed mode. Of course, you guys have been flipping through the pages more than I have, so you can check the artwork and argue if the gravity controllers or energy amps are glowing or not. If not, my idea might not have merit after all.

[*Jess♥]

yes, this is something we have noted about XD that he is constantly glowing on all his orbs. all the power amps and the gravity orbs.

but they don't glow when he is standard gigantic.

you say energy 'task'.... but i don't know exactly what is meant..

because it is not a 'task' imo, if the CM is not being used.

i suppose it's just my way of viewing the words..

anyway, the CM is not constantly shining, so whatever energy conversion is going on, it is like it has been set up like a chain reaction.

I mean, it is set that way as a standard part of what XD is.

I think it is interesting to note the size of teh ark.

gigantic XD is nowhere near the size of teh ark.

perhaps if he stayed in that form for an extended period, the energy amps would calm down and his weight would increase by a huge amount.

[*zeo]

@YoungGuyver - Yes, you really do need to see it ...

Well the point of the back thrusters are that they are normally used for rapid booster rocket like acceleration, not rocket ship like take offs where they are the main means of propulsion... Exceed was going straight up in a standing position, just leaning back a bit, with the thrusters pointed downward.

As I see it, if his size was a dimensional shift then he A) wouldn't have needed that much thrust just to chase after Dragonlord Khan and B) would have been proportionally faster if that was the case and broken the sound barrier as he accelerated upward since the effort for moving would be the same as before with a dimensional shift and speed would thus also get scaled up but that didn't happen either. A dimensional shift could even make moving easier as it effectively makes gravity less for a given size.

Besides, as Ryuki clarified the Exceed mass did increase, it just didn't increase in density as something that size would normally have to be in order to withstand the increased strain of supporting such a massive body. Since volume increases 8 times for every doubling of height.

The article I linked before hi-lites the problems with just increasing size without also increasing density when keeping the exact same proportions.

Examples like...

As J.B.S. Haldane put it in his classic essay, "On Being the Right Size," "You can drop a mouse down a thousand-yard mine shaft; and, on arriving on the bottom, it gets a slight shock and walks away....A rat is killed, a man broken, a horse splashes." Haldane was being quite literal.

These facts were known to our ancestors, who used this aspect of scaling to gruesome effect--a common strategy during medieval sieges was to take a carcass of a horse, let it ripen for a few days in the sun, and then catapult it over the walls of the besieged town. On impact, the carcass would indeed splash, spreading contagion throughout the city.

So there is an issue with the scale and physics involved. Your dimensional shift idea is a possible solution but I don't think it fits perfectly with everything we are shown, IMO anyway.

As for the Mini-Black hole (not a pressure cannon), it's a real mini-black hole and not the virtual black hole like we've seen before. So conservation of energy is an issue as real black holes follow conservation of energy for their sizes... The moment it would leave the area of the dimensional shift it would have returned to normal dimensions if a dimensional shift was involved. Unlike a pressure cannon it didn't dissipate on impact and continued on into space before finally evaporating, nor did it create a shock wave as everything in its path simply got slurped up. . . So it wasn't just a dimensional augmented gravity field in my opinion.

The Exceed Amps were indeed glowing but weren't bulging as they were when the Gigantic started to grow.

This is the cover after I removed the text so you can see it more clearly...

But when the Exceed was preparing the mini-black hole the amps again bulged and the shoulder pod rods and the chest spike extended and according to the DF they were used to fire it off. So an enormous amount of energy was being channeled into that attack.

Here's a pic I colorized...

And the Data File I also colorized...

Exceed Data File

So the only problem we're really having with the size is the lack of density you would normally get when scaling things up, but if the increase mass is mostly contained energy then it wouldn't necessarily need to be denser and didn't the VDF describe somewhere that the Gigantic as basically being part energy construct and that is why it collapses when it uses up too much energy?

[Enzyme-eternal]

To address the original topic first, height has no real baring on weight, in fact the dimensions of an object have little to do with it’s weight. The way to work it out is that density is equal to the mass of an object over it’s volume (D=m/v) so it isn’t really how big something is as how much mass is crammed into it. Take gas for example, it can tale up the same volume as a solid but the molecules of gasses are obviously nowhere near as densely packed together as a solid so the are litter.

As for the doubts as to the Gigantic’s structural integrity as Exceed, I think that is a mute point because the Guyver has both an internal skeleton and an external one (the armor). Also the Guyver’s physical structure is composed of dense muscle and strong tendons with the bare minimum of internal organs giving it incredible structural support to the point of redundancy. All of this is further augmented by the Gigantus armor so the Exceed would have no real problem with its increase in size.

Though I like the idea of the dimension sift explaining the Exceed I can’t help but feel like your looking for complicated method to a simple process. Remember that the Gigantic is an organic entity an therefore altering its mass and volume are actually inherently natural things, we alter our mass every time we make and burn fat cells and our volume increases throughout our entire lives as we grow and then shrink. My theory is that the Gigantic uses it’s energy generators to provide the power required for such rapped (even for a Guyver) cellular generation and when it returns to normal Gigantic it simple re-metabolizes the extra cell mass.

I have to say though I don’t see how you could tell the Exceed’s weight just from looking at it.

[*zeo]

Ryuki already did most of the math and we are already aware that volume is the key, which is the problem since volume increases 8 times faster than surface area for every doubling of height at the same proportions.

Like if the basketball player Shaq was doubled in height and kept the same proportions his volume will increase 8 times. So since he is 7' and 300 pounds, doubling his size will make him 14' tall and weigh 2,400 pounds.

This means as you scale things up the strain on any given structure dramatically increases, so without a corresponding increase in density then the structure will have to support many times the strain it was originally designed to do so.

Really, check out this article...

http://fathom.lib.uchicago.edu/2/21701757/

It'll clear up all the misconceptions you may have about what happens when you change scale!!!

[*YoungGuyver]

Ok, this is really making it look a lot more like a dimensional shift. Look at the thermodynamics! It's constantly siphoning energy in order to maintain the form? If it were a regular mass increase, you know, siphon energy in order to provide material for the cells the grow and divide, then there would be no reason to continue to siphon energy except to power the weapons. That is the key here, the biggest hurdle. Those 2000 whatever tons are not the mass of the gigantic, they are the mass of the energy that is being used to support the exceed mode. That's a lot of energy.

This is amazing. The Relic could open a dimensional gateway into the boost dimension and supposedly travel across the universe. The Gigantic can bend the dimensions of its own atoms and extend its scale within the very universe it stands.

Another way of looking at it: In one version of string theory, the dimensions are all strings. Each string is a track that a particle (I'm simplifying) can ride along. There are strings to go left, right, up, down, and tiny little curled up balls, all uniformly spread out to make out the fabric of space. Now particles exist within a tiny area, in a limited space. Then comes along the exceed, and it allows a particle to not just exist on one point in the strings, but technically dozens at the same time. That's an interesting quantum principle. Possibly modifying the quantum states in a uniform and controlled manner? Personally, I don't like the visualization of quantum and string theory. No problems with the math, but the model itself seems a bit off. I'd like to remodel this theory.

But the point is, the energy there is being used to support the size. It DOESN'T look like cellular division. It looks like dimension shift.

Hmm, so Takaya's pressure canons are different? Ok. I'll argue the possibilities of that later maybe.

[Aether]

But the point is, the energy there is being used to support the size. It DOESN'T look like cellular division. It looks like dimension shift.

Hmm, so Takaya's pressure canons are different? Ok. I'll argue the possibilities of that later maybe.

i wont lie i dont undrestand in any real great depth some of what you lot are on about, but i would like to say that i dont agree with quantum string theory either, in fact i think most quantum physicts will eventually realise they are just wasting there time, even Stephen Hawking has concluded as much... how even if they get closer to a mathematical equation to harness the physics of the univerese to our advantage, for say space travel, teleportation, maybe even time travel etc.etc. they wont be able to quantify exsistance- its chaos, its an unquantifiable medium. exsistence cant be wrote down on a piece of paper!!!!!!!

anyway that out of the way....

I like Young Guyvers theory to a degree

I would like to clarify exactly what your trying to say? by the sounds of it you are saying that the XD isnt actually bigger because the cells havent grown so it just appears to be bigger like a trick of the eye, a hologram effect??

if thats correct you mean that the Guyver unit is siphoning energy from the boost dimension to warp its exsistence in our dimension to just appear bigger??? what would be the point ? if its still the same size as the gigantic but has more energy it would be a cool side effect that its projecting this holographic form of itself in this dimension but surely that means he wouldnt have been tangible to draglord and so not able to grapple with Draglord in which case Sho should have just blasted him with the extra intake of energy without engaging him in combat.

I maybe really oversimplyfying it but thats how ive percieved what youve said.

Although saying that i do think you have a point about the energy siphon. it is clear from the datafile that the XD 's amps are continuosly siphoning energy from the boost dimension while in this state. Maybe its just a function of how the cells are maintaining that enlarged state because its not a closed system of energy eg. in the normal Guyver state the organic cells are how they are after the inital bioboost and the suit siphons energy from the boost dimension through the gravity orb (to charge energy blasts?), whereas in the XD state the cells need such an amount of energy to be that large that they need constant boost dimension energy instead of the energy that is produced in the organic system so in essence the Bioboosted mitochondria constanly siphons energy from the boost dimension through the power amps and replenishs it as it is used in the cells...

so that could be why it is lighter because the extra energy in its cells is taking up volume but not with as dense a substance as the matter that surrounds it , .... kind of like if you think of ghosts, for the sake of tryingto give an example if a human ghost didnt have alot of energy it may appear as an orb if it had greater energy it may have enough energy to give itself a human shape, the more energy it had it may appear denser, if it had even more energy it could be so dense it would appear real but what if it gained even more energy it could keep the same form but appear bigger as it had the energy to fill that shape out... i think this is similar to what happened to the XD but obviously mixed with matter in the way i stated above.

woah... i bet Power Rangers fans never thought this indepth about how their crappy robots grew!!!

Edited August 16, 2008 by Eether

[*Jess♥]

i get it..

well a visual nelargement.. like through a hologram, would be enlarging the photons alone..

but this is enlarging all of it.

in this scenario.. I understand that the cells are not dividing. the structure of teh body is exactly the same, only the atoms themselves are larger.

not because the atom has more shells etc... but because teh protons neutrons and electrons are larger.. the fields are larger, the atomic forces are larger and so everything expands.

[Aether]

i get it..

well a visual nelargement.. like through a hologram, would be enlarging the photons alone..

but this is enlarging all of it.

in this scenario.. I understand that the cells are not dividing. the structure of teh body is exactly the same, only the atoms themselves are larger.

not because the atom has more shells etc... but because teh protons neutrons and electrons are larger.. the fields are larger, the atomic forces are larger and so everything expands.

well yeah. i think so! there isnt more cells just more volume of each one with loads more energy inside. the energy isnt as heavy as physical matter in the same volume so it does get heavier just not as much as excpected.

Edited August 16, 2008 by Eether