Zebebuth-R (Empowered) Strength Level

[Shin Mefilas]

Ok just wanted to get the facts strait on this one.

Ok so the warriorguyver bio puts Zebebuth-R at about 60 times stronger then the average human and I've got another source...

https://kaijuduke.deviantart.com/art/hiper-zoanoid-zerbebuth-334706745

Saying he's about 100 times stronger, which would put him on the same level as a Guyver.

Just asking for confirmation.

 

And to liven up this post a bit, here a lovely bit of artwork on this posts subject of  enquiry.

 

[Cannibal]

Hmm, the Guyver Advocacy's translation of this datafile from the link above doesn't state anything about the strength level.

I don't know Japanese, but it seams that the Japanese scan of the datafile doesn't have this info either: http://guyver-world.ru/temp/zerbebuthr.png

 

Anime datafile also doesn't have this info: http://guyver-world.ru/temp/zerbebuthranime.jpg

 

EDIT:

Also there's this picture which is I believe is from the novel, where the Zerbebuth R was introduced for the first time. It does have some digits: http://guyver-world.ru/temp/zerbebuthrnovel.jpg

Edited April 23, 2018 by Cannibal

[Salkafar]

Hard to believe. Zerbebuth was presented as the first Hyper-Zoanoid, and strength for strength definitely was inferior to the Guyver. In Zerebuth's first appearance, his physical strength is stated to be three times that of Gregole, ie 45 times that of an ordinary human; less than half that of the Guyver. Would his upgrade have more than doubled his strength? His upgraded form focused on special weapons, and the one time we saw him in action in the anime this consumed so much power he couldn't sustain their use for more than maybe a minute.

Even Derzerb, a more advanced Hyper-Zoanoid specifically designed for physical strength by the greatest specialist, larger and heavier than Zerbebuth, at 60 times the strength of an ordinary person was notably weaker than the Guyver.

The Warrior-guyver fanfic and a Deviantart account make for poor sources.

[Shin Mefilas]

Thanks. I thought it didn’t sound right but thought it best to run it by the forum.

 

[Matt Bellamy]

3 hours ago, Salkafar said:

The Warrior-guyver fanfic and a Deviantart account make for poor sources.

This.

While our datafiles may seem "official" in the way they are presented/written, some specifics on things may or may not be based on the situation of the story, rather than official source numbers.

Unfortunately, a lot of information from "official" sources are just as much guess work based on other information from other sources or their appearances. IE we can guess how strong Powered Zerebubuth is based on info from normal Zerebubuth. It may not be 100% accurate, but it's likely the closest safe bet.

So when we introduced him to our fanfiction ( long before the book/DF translations), we likely assumed that he got an overall power up across the board. And technically, we aren't incorrect, though the newest source material does not state anything about physical power, so the design may have just got new weapons.

Even the "strength of 15 men" is almost irrelevant in terms of measurement until we are given a baseline for what Chronos considers "the strength of 1 man"

[Salkafar]

4 hours ago, Matt Bellamy said:

the "strength of 15 men" is almost irrelevant in terms of measurement until we are given a baseline for what Chronos considers "the strength of 1 man"

Good point. Let's see what Google has to say.

...According to an article on Livestrong, "... the average untrained man can squat 125 pounds, bench press 135 pounds and deadlift 155 pounds."

If we take this as a benchmark (sic), the Guyver should be able to heft about seven tons (metric). That means he's not quite as strong as Spider-Man.

[Shin Mefilas]

31 minutes ago, Salkafar said:

Good point. Let's see what Google has to say.

...According to an article on Livestrong, "... the average untrained man can squat 125 pounds, bench press 135 pounds and deadlift 155 pounds."

If we take this as a benchmark (sic), the Guyver should be able to heft about seven tons (metric). That means he's not quite as strong as Spider-Man.

Yep, a whole seven tons. That's what I actually thought the Guyvers strength level was until I joined the site, as Guyver I and III don't exactly show off their lifting strength much in the manga..

Then I come here and hear about tank lifting Gregoles and I saw this series in a whole new light.

Edited April 23, 2018 by Mr. King

[Matt Bellamy]

2 hours ago, Salkafar said:

Good point. Let's see what Google has to say.

...According to an article on Livestrong, "... the average untrained man can squat 125 pounds, bench press 135 pounds and deadlift 155 pounds."

If we take this as a benchmark (sic), the Guyver should be able to heft about seven tons (metric). That means he's not quite as strong as Spider-Man.

Makes me wonder just how much of a difference there would be between Sho and Lisker, considering Lisker is well above average, and Sho is likely below average... Or if the Guyver minimalizes some of the change.

[Tora Tan]

14 hours ago, Cannibal said:

Also there's this picture which is I believe is from the novel, where the Zerbebuth R was introduced for the first time. It does have some digits: http://guyver-world.ru/temp/zerbebuthrnovel.jpg

 

That says from page 201.

[Salkafar]

18 hours ago, Mr. King said:

tank lifting Gregoles

Ugggh.

[Shin Mefilas]

6 hours ago, Salkafar said:

Ugggh.

Haha, it's far from the most egregious change to a work of fiction made by an author in supplementary marital. A little before DB Super came out Toriyama basically provided a ton of facts about the db universe... and a lot of them he'd clearly come up with recently and had not put a tone of thought into how they'd fit. One good example being that Old Kai had been sealed away by Beerus, which didn't really match what had been stated in the Buu arc.

Also I believe that thats the shortest post I've ever seen you make.

[Salkafar]

It would have been longer, but I couldn't find the panel.

Honestly though. The tank-lifting Gregole was just... how can you make a mistake like that? A tank like that weighs at least 50 tons.

[Matt Bellamy]

15 hours ago, Salkafar said:

It would have been longer, but I couldn't find the panel.

Honestly though. The tank-lifting Gregole was just... how can you make a mistake like that? A tank like that weighs at least 50 tons.

Yeah, according to the VDF book, they were using M1's, which can vary from 54 metric tons to 65... And in said VDF, it is shown that what looks like a Ramotith is also lifting one, while a Tabross is tearing off the top half of the tank... Which has to to be a couple tons itself. In book 8 a Tabross missing an arm was also able to tilt a tank. Granted both are shown lifting one side of the tanks, and fully supporting the tank over their heads on two arms... but still.

Maybe bone/muscle density plays a part in this as well?

The VDF also mentions that a Physic wave was removing all fear of death from the Zoanoids... So maybe pain wasn't a thing for them? We all know people can achieve great feats of strength when pushed beyond their mental limits ( like a mom "lifting" a car to save their child I believe is the common story told).