Sully Posted March 1, 2011 Author Posted March 1, 2011 Well the simple explanation is that Alkanphel knows about Warrior Guyver going back in time to defeat the Guyver Zoalord. So until then, Alkanphel and Imakarum are taking it easy on ACTF until WG completes that paradox. Yes but this goes down to story writing and is the point worth the pop at the end when you read "I killed your Family Jason" from Alkanphel. To me it's not because it doesn't allow you to show what is happening in Chronos fully, who is aware of the plot and what is they are after. In the end as this is a rewrite, it's not worth the pop as simply put you all know what happens. This time for the story to actually work and give you guys something new, the story will also show the side of Chronos and who setup events so that Warrior Guyver happened.
McAvoy Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 All of us know this already why it happened. It's like remastered Star Wars and thinking someone would be spoiled by the fact that Darth Vader is Luke's father. (Though spoiling that Darth Vader used to be a whiny emo wooden kid, will piss people off). Anyway, I was thinking about it, why not hold back the behind the scenes of Chronos until Revenge and then Alkanphel can do the big reveal. It's already there, and then have Alkanphel tell Jason that the ACTF never stood a chance because Chronos was intentionally holding back until Jason completed his destiny to kill Guyver Zoalord. You could have in Time War of various zoalords talking about why not wiping out the ACTF since they had only one Guyver etc.
largo Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 All of us know this already why it happened. It's like remastered Star Wars and thinking someone would be spoiled by the fact that Darth Vader is Luke's father. (Though spoiling that Darth Vader used to be a whiny emo wooden kid, will piss people off). Anyway, I was thinking about it, why not hold back the behind the scenes of Chronos until Revenge and then Alkanphel can do the big reveal. It's already there, and then have Alkanphel tell Jason that the ACTF never stood a chance because Chronos was intentionally holding back until Jason completed his destiny to kill Guyver Zoalord. You could have in Time War of various zoalords talking about why not wiping out the ACTF since they had only one Guyver etc. Wow that is actually a really cool Idea, I really like that if flows really well.
McAvoy Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 I think it does too. Because like Sully said after Time War, the gloves come off. Chronos attacks with zoalords, captures Jason, Faye and Sean. Only the introduction of Warrior Guyver 2 and a second Gigantic does Chronos pause. But even, two Gigantics and two Warrior Guyvers are not enough to take on Chronos. Before it was because both Warrior Guyvers were capable of killing zoalords and the two Gigantics can match a zoalord. So I think perhaps maybe for Chronos this may be a bit of confusion combined with mass damage done to the Arizona base done by ACTF, WG and the healed Relic.
*zeo Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 Well, technically the WG's are still capable of killing Zoalords... Zoalords have limited energy reserves and WG's are hard to kill and can keep on coming. Not to mention WG's gravity shield... So before Archanphel regains his full power they would still have a fighting chance...
Zoaknight Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 Zeo wrote: Well, technically the WG's are still capable of killing Zoalords... Zoalords have limited energy reserves and WG's are hard to kill and can keep on coming. Not to mention WG's gravity shield... So before Archanphel regains his full power they would still have a fighting chance... True, but I'm guessing Zoalords, especially the higher ranking ones, still outpower normal warrior guyvers and warp their attacks around them and back at the WG in question, unlimited stamina isn't enough when your enemy has more raw power and can counter your best attacks. All a Zoalord has to do is kill the WG before their stamina runs out, no idea how they'd capture the control medal though since even if they froze it I'm GUESSING it would still retreat to hyperspace right? Still, they can destroy the medal itself and not give the WG a chance to retreat.
McAvoy Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 Well it is obvious now that Warrior Guyver's gravity shield will not work on all the zoalords. Also, keep in mind that damage to the control medal of the Warrior Guyver can negate the auto teleportation. So all zoalords and other beings have to do is a get a lucky shot to the control medal.
Zoaknight Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 McAvoy wrote: All of us know this already why it happened. It's like remastered Star Wars and thinking someone would be spoiled by the fact that Darth Vader is Luke's father. (Though spoiling that Darth Vader used to be a whiny emo wooden kid, will piss people off).Anyway, I was thinking about it, why not hold back the behind the scenes of Chronos until Revenge and then Alkanphel can do the big reveal. It's already there, and then have Alkanphel tell Jason that the ACTF never stood a chance because Chronos was intentionally holding back until Jason completed his destiny to kill Guyver Zoalord. You could have in Time War of various zoalords talking about why not wiping out the ACTF since they had only one Guyver etc. I like the idea of Alkanphel revealing that he'd been pulling his punches and taking it easy on Jason and company all this time until Jason made his trip back in time and completed the time paradox, thus rendering Reeve no longer a threat to the current continuity. It should make for good drama when the ACTF forces find themselves up against a Chronos decidedly more powerful and determined to kill them than they're used to
*zeo Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 True, but I'm guessing Zoalords, especially the higher ranking ones, still outpower normal warrior guyvers and warp their attacks around them and back at the WG in question, unlimited stamina isn't enough when your enemy has more raw power and can counter your best attacks. A) It'll take a heck of a lot of a power advantage to really threaten a WG's CM. Right now only Archanphel, Imakarum (if he's really Apollon), and a Gigantic's Giga Smashers are in the power range that can really threaten to do that to a WG. There's a difference between being able to defeat a WG and actually killing them or keeping them out of the fight for long! B) Most Zoalords don't all have a wide range of abilities, besides a couple of common abilities most are specialized much like Hypers and they rely heavily on the energy reserves of their Zoacrystal. C) The ability to redirect energy attacks has only been demonstrated by Archanphel so far. So that isn't a common ability either... D) Most of the Zoalords aren't as powerful as the Gigantic, which was created to take on Archanphel... E) WG will still be pretty powerful compared to regular Guyvers, can get blasted into hyper space and return in a matter of minutes, and unlimited stamina... So still powerful enough to be threats to most zoalords. Remember even Guyot, back when he was a full Supreme Zoalord was actually hurt by G3 firing a single Mega Smash at him and it took him time to recover. Meaning it's possible a full double Mega Smash may be enough to a kill most Zoalords and WG's are still significantly more powerful than regular Guyvers. Even against a normal Gigantic, though the WG now has less than half the raw power they still have some advantages... Like WGs can cloak, they are physically faster as long as the Gigantic doesn't use the back thrusters (though WG2's CPM boosted speed is still greater), the head beam is still more powerful as the Gigantic's head beam is only 5x with two 1x side orbs, WG's are physically harder to damage and regenerate far quicker, WG's CM's are harder to destroy, there is the battle collective when multiple WG's are together, and WG's gravity shield can help equalize a bit as abilities like the Gigantic's Power Punch (aka Gravity Knuckles) is based on gravitational energy. Well it is obvious now that Warrior Guyver's gravity shield will not work on all the zoalords. Not directly, but WG can still just charge it up himself or with a little help from other Guyvers and use it for super charged gravity based attacks. It'll just take longer to charge... Though other Zoalords do have some gravitational power, just not to the level of Guyot and Imakarum. The common ability to produce a barrier shield for example is probably derived from a common gravitational power as the Gigantic also makes a Barrier shield channeling gravitational energy to produce the EM field of the barrier. Also, keep in mind that damage to the control medal of the Warrior Guyver can negate the auto teleportation. So all zoalords and other beings have to do is a get a lucky shot to the control medal. Problem... A lucky shot for a Zoalord would have to exceed even a casual shot from the Guyver Zoalord... Remember the WG CM has its own shield, on top of the normal WG body shield, and the optional blast shield, pressure cannon shield, gravity shield or WG2's CPM boosted shield. Not to mention it has to induce damage before the CM can escape to hyper space, which it can do lightning fast and whenever it detects an imminent threat capable of doing it harm the CM will react on its own for self preservation. There's a reason WG lived long enough to figure out the Gravity Shield against the Guyver Zoalord, besides Reed underestimating him and not seriously trying to kill him until too late, and most Zoalords aren't anywhere near that powerful. So even when not seriously trying to kill WG he still threw attacks at him that few Zoalords could even hope to match on their best day. Edward Caerleon for example, despite making himself nearly impossible to damage while basically hiding in a shadow dimension. His negative plasma energy ball blasts were hardly something a WG couldn't just shield themselves from and could simply wait the minutes it would take for Edward to exhaust his power and return to normal space.
McAvoy Posted March 6, 2011 Posted March 6, 2011 Interesting. Originally, the control medal had it's own shield with the body shield to protect it. Which means double the protection without even activating the shields. Using the old datafiles for example, that would be alittle under a normal Guyver's full double mega smash to break down both shields. While I am sure a zoalord doesn't have an attack that can pierce that shield, later on in the stories, there are. Basically what I mean is that the old rating for the body shield is meant for a wide blast. There are Guyvers and even zolaords who can create a more focused beam of energy while not as powerful as a mega smasher that can pierce both shields.
*zeo Posted March 7, 2011 Posted March 7, 2011 Focused doesn't necessarily mean it can penetrate, shield are designed to spread the load... Also have to factor even a normal CM can react fast enough to target and fire off a head beam to stop a speeding bullet... The WG CM would require even less time to realize it was in danger and teleport out of the way, thus increasing the amount of energy needed to damage it before it can escape.
Sully Posted March 7, 2011 Author Posted March 7, 2011 There's another factor you've to consider. If the control medal was damaged, you'd also have to damage all 4 cores and stop them working to truely kill it. If any of the cores was working, as shown before the WG would simply for into a power down mode. Wrost case the Unit would have put the host in a dormant state and stay hidden in the Boost Dimenson until such time it was fully repaired. this Unit is designed for war. Extreame survivability is what gives this unit its edge. But it's not unkillable, Elminiator has shown that.
McAvoy Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Focused doesn't necessarily mean it can penetrate, shield are designed to spread the load... Also have to factor even a normal CM can react fast enough to target and fire off a head beam to stop a speeding bullet... The WG CM would require even less time to realize it was in danger and teleport out of the way, thus increasing the amount of energy needed to damage it before it can escape. So basically you are saying that shields can withstand anything up to it's rating wide dispersed or focused?
*zeo Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 So basically you are saying that shields can withstand anything up to it's rating wide dispersed or focused? Basically... it's the amount of energy that matters. The job of the shields is to spread any attack out to weaken it, unlike physical armor energy shields can redirect as needed (closest physical example would be nanotech armor that can change hardness as needed), and any attack capable of damaging the CM also has to penetrate the defenses faster than the CM can react and escape into hyper space. The combination makes it extremely hard to destroy a WG even if the attack otherwise has enough energy to defeat the WG. Exceptions would be those capable of blocking teleportation, in which case the WG would be much more vulnerable...
McAvoy Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 So basically a shield can withstand anything up to it's rating because can disperse energy whether it is head beam laser or a mega smasher blast? I was always under the impression that for example a head beam laser rated at let's say 1 TJ can pierce a shield rated at 4 TJ because it has more energy concentrated in a smaller area than a 1 TJ mega smasher.
*zeo Posted March 18, 2011 Posted March 18, 2011 Thing to understand is that the WG Body shield is not a simple barrier, it's an adaptive and reactive complex energy field system that's tied into the unit bio-energy, power wave energy channeling system, unit immune response systems, and hyper sensors. Effecting everything from unit physical integrity to ability to adapt to new threats. So it can adjust itself as needed and improves against attacks that have been used before on WG. The closest to what you're thinking of would be the Blast Field barrier shield. It's basically a worm hole and the barrier is the event horizon. But other than being a dimensional barrier, anything that can effect it can potentially penetrate and if focused then it can have a better chance of penetrating. And there are other types of energy shields, like Elegan's electric arc is effective at warping a mega smasher around it but would not effect a head beam or other laser based attacks, and of course WG's gravity shield...
McAvoy Posted March 20, 2011 Posted March 20, 2011 Gotcha. I knew about the SIF part, but didn't know about it being integrated with the hyper sensors though.
Sully Posted March 21, 2011 Author Posted March 21, 2011 Time for a bit of an update. The story is moving along slowly but surely. Some more of the plot is due to change so events make more sense. I'm actually not going to preview these new changes so you guys get a few surprises so there will be some new story in there. I've wrote a preview to the Female Guyver 2's story which basically is a short part from memory of the Guyver out of Control final battle between her and Sho. Sufice to say it sucks but will get better when I actually sit down and watch it. But it's something I'll leave towards the end. Cyber Guyver will have a slightly eariler start in the story because of this and will detail him saving the Female Guyver 2 from destruction. I'm actually rewriting some parts of the stroy finally and not simply deleting it and replacing it. The end results should be good but you guys still have a decent wait for it to be done. Overall about 1/3 to 1/2 done on this one.
McAvoy Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 Sounds great. I only saw Out of Control once and I was drunk so I barely remember anything beyond the 'special' scene.
Sully Posted March 21, 2011 Author Posted March 21, 2011 Sounds great.I only saw Out of Control once and I was drunk so I barely remember anything beyond the 'special' scene. I'll be leaving that part out
*zeo Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 You can watch the whole thing on youtube but here's the final battle scene for Out of Control,
Azaar Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 Sounds great.I only saw Out of Control once and I was drunk so I barely remember anything beyond the 'special' scene. I'll be leaving that part out Sure... leave out the good stuff, Sully.
Guyver_Astray Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 I try to ignore that scene. I mean, it would suck if they showed that happening to Sho, *cringes*
Destroyer Guyver Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 That basically is what happend to sho (now get that image out of your head ) just in a different context.
Sully Posted March 22, 2011 Author Posted March 22, 2011 Pervs! Anyway lets get this topic back on track. Time line wise when the fiction catches up with the Out Of Control anime the story line is at the point where Female Guyver 2 and Guyver 1 are fighting. When I get back to it I'll probably re-write it again to show the battle from Cyber Guyver's view point and explain why he's looking for backup. His story will basically lead to Revenge as it did before.
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