McAvoy Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 Juggernaut wrote: Is there any plan to have the Eliminator project to be fully developed/explained/brought into the main storyline? I had kinda assumed that the current Eliminator being was a representation of this unknown project, since it was born from the manipulations of a matrix and it could have been the equivalent of what that project could have been in that alternate universe where Jason killed Alkanphel. Good point there, the Eliminator we know best is the one created by that alternate reality Alkanphel, and with use of the Matrix for the purpose of hunting down and killing the Warrior Guyver. However, if what we've read in Time Wars is true then that means that the main WG universe has its own Eliminator as well, or at the very least one was in the process of being made before the Guyver Zoalord incident, and that this particular Eliminator was a Gen project rather than Alkanphel's bloodhound. Well if that is true it would be pre-Warrior unit though. So it would have a normal control medal. Doubtful that Solom would share his project control medal designs with his rival. No clue on how powerful such a Eliminator would be, though. My guess would be around as powerful as a standard Warrior Guyver with some of the Eliminator's features. Perhaps the anti-gravity shield would be there as well. If you think about it. Black Nova is extremely powerful. Wihtout an equalizer on the other projects, that unit would win. That and if the gravity shield can nuetralize Black Nova and Warrior Guyver then the Eliminator would win. Of course, there could be spies from each project, so the Eliminator could have a proto-pyramid control medal.
Sully Posted December 14, 2010 Author Posted December 14, 2010 There is one thing to bare in mind. Eliminator is heavily modifed to work off what was avilable to the Matrix so it could do what it required in the time it had avilable. Is it a true verion of what that project repesented?
McAvoy Posted December 15, 2010 Posted December 15, 2010 I was actually going to say that but forgot.
Sully Posted December 15, 2010 Author Posted December 15, 2010 I already know I won't go into it in Time War, but there will be a story later that will give more detail to the Eilminator project. There's a great line in Mutronics (the first Guyver movie) which is something on the lines of "Not all Zoanoids are created equally". The same will can be said of Guyvers especially in the Fan-Fic. So there is your hint about what to expect in that up and coming story. The main thing I'll explain is that Cori (Battle Guyver) will be a lot more used character wised in the rewirtes and up coming stories. Given events of 7 Days read the above and you can get an idea of what I'm thinking of as the next upcoming plot. Back to Time War it's update time. The last two weeks I didn't get much done at all for a simple reason. I was on holidays and enjoying them. Back in work again so the fic is progressing. I've re-wrote some of the re-write so that it makes more sense what has happened. The Guyver Zoalord has being born and his impact will shape a lot of events that already happeend in the fan-fic and ones that some of you wouldn't have expected him to have shaped. There is going to be a lot of action happening at the end of Part 2, basically it will include some new events, events that where included in the Old intro to Part 1, and also bring in events from Solufein you see in Allen's fic. That gives you a basic idea of where I am, and where I want to get too with this part of the story. Can't give and estimate of when this will be finished but hoping for a XMas / New Years release but it might be early in the new year itself depending on how much more I add to the story. One thing for sure though once Parts 3 and 4 are rewrote to match up with the new parts 1 and 2. I'll edit all 4 parts to make them more even rather than a small part 1 and a huuuuge part 2, and who knows how 3 and 4 will look.
Sully Posted December 21, 2010 Author Posted December 21, 2010 Ok.. Basically I've come to the conclusion that this won't be wrote up by X-Mas / New years. So what I've decided to do is stop part 2 not exactly where it is now but end it at a good point (realitively speaking, but the main plot of who did what is shown) in the story that you guys might like. Overall it looks like there willl be an XMas update and Time War will now be a 5 part story. P.S. No idea when James will get back to his editing ways but lets hope it's soon.
Zoaknight Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 Cool, thanks for the update Sully, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Sully Posted December 22, 2010 Author Posted December 22, 2010 Yet another update. This will be published either tonight or tomorrow. Word of Warning. This is story is supject to change, edits etc so once Time War is complete and James gets his hands on all 5 parts don't be suprised if things change. There will also be my usual grammer/spelling errors
Sully Posted December 23, 2010 Author Posted December 23, 2010 New part 2 of Time War now uploaded to the site.
Juggernought Posted December 23, 2010 Posted December 23, 2010 - Juggernought kicks the wife out the house to her gf's house...sits down at computer with a glass of wine....ahhh a new story to get goosebumps over - *EDIT* after reading a through the story i'm wondering after a few things...is it possible for Pariah to be reborn in some shape or form....maybe not as the being he once was but reincarnated all the same...similar to Faye's example of being a template of another person but different in her own way? Also i'm curious to see if the guyver zoalord's reign of destruction was mainly part of G'kor's plan or did the GZ kill him off anyway once he realize he was beyond any control and just began slaughtering the creators and their subjects anyway. And is it possible that Guyver Zero could recover his memories and also locate any of his descendants through their biological link...although it may be extremely diminished but not altogether vanished? Does Kron get to face his brother who is now the Guyver Zoalord? Who is the offspring of Guyver Supreme? Is it possible other guyvers from this era survived the Guyver Zoalord's attack? I'm still dissecting the fic...but once again, it is an awesome retelling of this story. Incredible job Sully..
McAvoy Posted December 25, 2010 Posted December 25, 2010 Gkor is still alive. Probably betrayed by GZ. Kron does fight with Zeugma against the GZ. I am curious about these other Warrior projects and their relics. Also wonder in relation of the WG2 universe as well
Guyver_Astray Posted December 28, 2010 Posted December 28, 2010 Just read this last installment, and I am in awe. The final pieces where the three Guyvers run off to stop the birth of the Guyver Zoalord was just an epic image in my mind.
McAvoy Posted December 29, 2010 Posted December 29, 2010 I agree. You have to wonder how powerful that zoalord was though. I mean two seasoned and highly experienced Guyvers and the Proto Guyver. You would think they would put up a better fight.
Sully Posted December 30, 2010 Author Posted December 30, 2010 I agree. You have to wonder how powerful that zoalord was though. I mean two seasoned and highly experienced Guyvers and the Proto Guyver. You would think they would put up a better fight. G'kor's Zoalord protectors wouldn't pushovers. Let's just put it that way. He armed it realsing the most present threat would be another Guyver, everything else he could control with ease due to him being a member of the 13 (something he still takes avantage of in pesent day storylines). G'Kor is a master planner, even planning for minor things that repesented the greatest threat to his plan. Zoalords rushing to save the day = unlikely, he'd know due to his rank and would have known something. Guyvers = The only unknown. He'd not be sure of which one / ones so would have have trained a Zoalord to do his dirty work. That zoalord much like Zaugma would have being at test battles and knew how Guyvers fight. So yes you'd have expected Guyver 0, Guyver Supreme and Proto Guyver to put up a good battle. They did the Zoalord didn't kill them in 3 seconds.
guyverfanatic Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 Finally finished the story. It was quite epic! Interesting to see that Faye is a clone/reincarnation of Aaye. I look forward to seeing the rest of it.
Sully Posted January 4, 2011 Author Posted January 4, 2011 Thanks guys, I'm glad you liked it and the direction the story is going. It's actually turned out for me a better place than I orignally thought to start the re-write. Getting to write the story of Kron and Zeugma set in the past gave the chance to give real insight into those characters. Rather than telling their history it was nice to actually write it, rather than introducing them as new characters in the later story lines and trying to fit them into a story that didn't support them or up until then hint at their existance. It was also a great chance to use Solufein and show just what impact he had at the time on the likes of Kron and Reeve and vice versa. That for example was an unexpected bonus for a character who Allen invented I helped with back before I stopped writing (for awhile). We'd so many good ideas but the story just didn't support it, as Time War was asked to support a greater cast and story it just wasn't up to it. Which is why if you read Allen's fic now as it is, then the flash backs of my fic and then Matt's you'd be forgiven for thinking "what the..... do these guys even read each others stories properly?". That is why in the re-write I basically picked what Allen wrote as Solufien's memory and wrote in events (and still have to write some more) that support it. Matt's story is another, the question as to why the Proto Unit was discovered outside a Relic was answered in Time War Part 2 that was just published. Fulton Balcus has being brought into the fiction, had a bit of story and left in a place where he can recover in time for events to take place in the live action movie. A story I'm going to give a fan-fic retrelling too at a later date when I've got some new stories out. It along with the second movie and events from the comics will be tbrought together in the finished Story 0. At the moment the only thing holding me back from finishing off the base ideas to what would make that story is Guyver II F. I want to see what happens with the character and see what way she turns. Will she side with the Rogues against the Guyvers? It's important to factor into the fan-fic the right way even though time line wise by the time she's in Japan Agito is in full retreat in the fan-fic with Zeus Thunderbolt in ruins. The only question now for me is what way will Guyver II F turn? It's not something to worry about in Time War as in will have no impact. In fact it will have little impact for awhile as the fan-fic doesn't focus on Japan a lot. But by the time I get to that stage we should know. On update news I got into Time War part 3 and the story is moving along again.
Juggernought Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 I like the sound of that...btw do you think that the ideas you and some of the other writers had and talked about, but will never use, could be posted here so we readers and fans can at least see how the planning went, differed and changed direction?
Sully Posted January 4, 2011 Author Posted January 4, 2011 I like the sound of that...btw do you think that the ideas you and some of the other writers had and talked about, but will never use, could be posted here so we readers and fans can at least see how the planning went, differed and changed direction? There are no plans I can think off hand that have being trown out that I'd publish. the only thing I'd say which would be guessable by reading Time War p2 is a changed to the Prototype WG's. At one time there would be WG Hydra, WG Stealh, and WG Steller. But when working on Time War I just couldn't see a reason to why there would be a Hydra unit. So chose not to introduce it and most likely it'll not be coming into the fic. SImply put there isn't much if anyhing it could do that the normal WG couldn't. Though this basically gives the option for the Gen to customise the Control medal to a needed task. Also note to the likes of McAvoy who likes to say the WGC is unique. Umm what makes you say that? His control medal would be basically the same as Jason's unit. Only his unit would have a different ability set. Basically he'd be simular to Jason's in that it's not a common intended model. Overall nothing much has changed in droping Hydra, it just made more sense to keep it too the 3 main prototype units in Time War (and as said before there is always a chance if needed we can always bring one in a future date). As I normally post more detail at a later date if the fic rases questions, in the future as more story gets finished I'll normally give more insight when asked.
McAvoy Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Also note to the likes of McAvoy who likes to say the WGC is unique. Umm what makes you say that? His control medal would be basically the same as Jason's unit. Only his unit would have a different ability set. Basically he'd be simular to Jason's in that it's not a common intended model. "The likes of McAvoy"... Anyway it's the original thought process years back that basically the Matrix customized the unit to Max's personality. I suppose you could say the control medal is the same that the new information that WG control medals are easy to customize, that this would fit. Prior information being that the CPMs and the gravity shield are more or less the same thing but configured differently to do different things. I guess, you could also suppose the WGC unit may be based on a prototype in the early or late development of the Warrior Project. Or... something from the WG2 universe. Who knows. It's starting to get harder to figure out things with the new rewrites.
Sully Posted January 7, 2011 Author Posted January 7, 2011 Yeah things will be a bit confusing until the re-writes are finished. more so events between Time War and Meetings. Revenge will just get more detail, nothing much at all set to change. But Rescue and All Things both are subject to huge change. Union then will also be changed, but more so to match up with the offical story... So yeah sorry but things will get a little more confusing but will make a hell of a lot more sense when we're done and the re-writes are finished.
Sully Posted January 10, 2011 Author Posted January 10, 2011 Monday update time. Those of you who read this: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=4454 That is basically now the basis of what I'm writing at the moment. Though it's being given a lot more story and having parts removed that no longer work. I'm also adding in events for the places new in Time War 1 and 2 (e.g. the Floating City) so that it now ties in with the two parts before it. There'll be come more good moments after the point Kron and Zeugma fall and before WG gets involved to beet up the story. Overall though I'm sticking to the plan to end that part of the story at the point just befrore Jason and modren time starts being wrote about. Hopefully we'll have a Feb/March update with it.
McAvoy Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 I wonder how you will tie in the old story into the new. Aceaer Marine/Martin, Cyber Guyver, Guyver US etc. I can't wait how you will rewrite Guyver Zoalord. The original story kinda left him on a side of being weak in comparison to the later stories and even the manga.
Sully Posted January 11, 2011 Author Posted January 11, 2011 I wonder how you will tie in the old story into the new. Aceaer Marine/Martin, Cyber Guyver, Guyver US etc.I can't wait how you will rewrite Guyver Zoalord. The original story kinda left him on a side of being weak in comparison to the later stories and even the manga. Only a few subtle things will change for Martin. First off the Grakken does not escape in Galen's old ship (it would be locked out of that). That ship will have a new story side story that gets more important after 7 Days. The Grakken (which btw is will be the eldest one on Earth so the leader) will also be in Resuce as the main so called "bad guy" and will instead escape in a Grakken light ship. Cyber Guyver will pretty much have the same story as before, though will have more history before coming into the main time line, this though will be based in the world of FG2 where she is defeated by Sho. That is where his story will be first told before he uses the GZ event to go back in time. G US will again have the same story, though taking the view that he learned all his powers back when he fought the Zoalord Fulton Balcus and Guyver Zoanoid (who really kicked the ****e out of him until Cori landed a lucky bullet to the c-medal). So he's a lot more kick ass in this re-write. This time it's an Enzyme 3 not a Zerabubuse that gives him a real fight that he needs G1 to help with. Cori isn't belived dead, she's simply kidnapped by the Unknown red 4 armed alien Guyvers.
Zoaknight Posted January 15, 2011 Posted January 15, 2011 Finished reading the fully rewritten and organized parts 1 and 2 of Time War on the site, just getting into part 4 (look forward to seeing the addition of part 3 when its ready, I'm guessing it covers the battles between the Guyver Zoalord and Gen forces prior to the arrival of Jason). "spoiler alert to those who haven't read parts 1-2 yet" I really like how the story gave us a better idea of who the ancient guyvers and zoalords were and their relationships with eachother and the Gen, who in turn came across as cold blooded and cruel in their efforts to create the ultimate weapon while at other times were as human as us, like Solom's shame over what happened to Daye, his love for his wife Ananke, or Krullnar's secret love for Zeugma. Hell, even Eve's and G'kor's actions show the most decidedly dark side of the Gen, with G'kor going to the extreme and coming across as outright insane...Still can't believe Reeve actually LISTENS to G'kor even after becoming the Guyver Zoalord (not very Guyver like behavior, lol), and I can't begin to imagine what G'kor has to gain from basically jump starting Armageddon for his entire race Long story short, this new version of Time Wars just keeps getting more and more interesting and makes you wonder what the future has planned for those of the characters who survive into modern times. Zeugma, Krullnar, Solufein, Seraph, Faye, G'kor...All survivors from those times, all with roles still to play. I'm especially interested in Zeugma, Krullnar, and Seraph. In the original stories no creator came to Zeugma's aid when she awoke in modern times, so I just assumed Krullnar didn't give a rats ass about her anymore since the Zoalords were no longer part of the Gen empire and they had no need of her, but could it be he didn't recognize his first crush's call? It would be interesting if Krull came to her aid someday unless his many millenniums of life has hardened his heart towards his old feelings for her (though the fact he's favored Seraph after all this time may be a sign he's not completely emotionally detached). Seraph maybe Zeugma's sister but she was apparently always the most obedient of the two so even if the two sisters met again it may not be a warm family reunion, she is somesort of Kavzar now afterall and likely wouldn't cross paths with her big sis unless it were on Gen business or something. Oh, and Reeve, loved getting a clearer picture of what sort of guy he was prior to his transformation into the Guyver Zoalord I also liked the scenes where we saw Atlantis and other ancient civilizations, Solifein's battle with Kron was especially cool, as were the many Guyver fights testing out the prototype units.
Sully Posted January 17, 2011 Author Posted January 17, 2011 Glad you liked that Zoaknight. See that was what was hard to get pre-write. The Guyver Zoalord must have had help from someone to happen within the at the time Creator group. It was left to soem very obsure hints that developed much later that this was the case. Data files being the main base of that. In the re-write I've allowed myself to turn the Creators I'd named into another race. That gave me A LOt more room to manuver. You see the results in Time War it simply works better. The Creators are left alone, the Uranus are still away from Earth and the Federation are simply not in the story. It allows me to do a lot more scope to plan the story. It also meant I could make G'Kor the bastard he was meant to be from much eariler on! In the re-write of All Things no Gen forces will still not come to Zeugma's aid. Update time: The fix is moving along for Time War part 3. It's about 5.5K words long now. It doesn't look like it's going to be a very long part of the story. I guess I'm about only going to be at about 8.5 top words when its done (about 2 / 3 weeks away if things go to plan for the update to be on the site). At that point I'll be able to get to actually use Jason in the story!!! Sean will need to be a little more glumey and cranky due to Cori on the missing lists. Aceaer Martin will be in the story and things will pretty much go as they did before. Though Solom and Galen will be stranded on Earth. They will be the new side story of Time War 4 and 5. By the time WG is coming back to the present Solom will be dead (not much of a spoiler as he died in the orginal story, just at a later point in the story).
Sully Posted January 20, 2011 Author Posted January 20, 2011 Progress update. Part 3 is coming along better than expected. There are 4 more sections roughly left to finish before I end that part. The first is a re-write of the Kron / Zeugma V Guyver Zoalord battle (aka Guyver Zoalord wins in 5 seconds of fighting because he gloated a little). 2Nd can't say as it's a new part to this story in the re-write. 3rd Rewrite of the defeat of the different projects. This is mostly done, only Solom's is left, which will end as it did before the re-write. 4th The ending of Part 3 basically. This will go into a little between the power struggle of Draven and G'Kor. All of those 4 remaining sections of the story are at various stages of completion. It's looking very likely that the story will be done in the next fourtnight or so. Note it's no where near as being as Part 2, at a rough guess it''ll be about 1/3 the size.
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