Thoughts on 7 Days of Hell Part 7

[Juggernought]

He specializes in powerful shielding due to those gigantic pods.

[Weltall2]

The most interesting thing, was it has been shown definitively Matrix's have wills of there own. It will be fascinating to see how this new character will interact with others. I also wonder if Jason lears this would he try to work with the Matrix in his control medal.

[Juggernought]

Originally, i think they are somewhat sentient and have limited wills of their own as they respond to the will and desire of people controlling them. Without someone who has intimate knowledge to direct its power, like a creator, they would do as they deem necessary for the desired outcome as seen with Warrior Guyver C.

This new character however was damaged and so was the matrix so it merged with it in order to repair both, the side affect of this is that its host body was human so as a human it would exhibit characteristics of the host such as free will, and much more flexibility to do what it wants...in a sense i think it is now "free" of it's original programming and purpose which is why it is now confused on how it can survive and what it should do now. I think the matrix in Dreadnought's control medal is pretty much now reduced to an extension of his will as far as its remaining powers will allow and it's primary function is to keep both the unit and host operating at optimum levels. But it is far from achieving true sentience i believe.

[guyverfanatic]

Originally, i think they are somewhat sentient and have limited wills of their own as they respond to the will and desire of people controlling them. Without someone who has intimate knowledge to direct its power, like a creator, they would do as they deem necessary for the desired outcome as seen with Warrior Guyver C.

This new character however was damaged and so was the matrix so it merged with it in order to repair both, the side affect of this is that its host body was human so as a human it would exhibit characteristics of the host such as free will, and much more flexibility to do what it wants...in a sense i think it is now "free" of it's original programming and purpose which is why it is now confused on how it can survive and what it should do now. I think the matrix in Dreadnought's control medal is pretty much now reduced to an extension of his will as far as its remaining powers will allow and it's primary function is to keep both the unit and host operating at optimum levels. But it is far from achieving true sentience i believe.

Well, this new human Matrix certainly will make it more interesting. I wonder what would happen if she got a warrior guyver unit?!

[Juggernought]

Pretty lethal would be my guess..

Also something i'm curious about is if the matrix/human hybrid is aware of the full extent of her powers...and limitations...or is she just going by instinct and the shock of being human is for right now overriding her ability to access her powers until some even or trauma etc activates a new power.

[guyverfanatic]

Pretty lethal would be my guess..

Also something i'm curious about is if the matrix/human hybrid is aware of the full extent of her powers...and limitations...or is she just going by instinct and the shock of being human is for right now overriding her ability to access her powers until some even or trauma etc activates a new power.

I would not think so because the human girl's brain was removed when the Matrix shard fused with her body. So... it's not a matrix with a human shell.

[Juggernought]

That's not what i'm implying....all the damage to the body was repaired, basically it's the matrix re-birthed in human form. What I'm wondering is, like in Dreadnoughts CM, is its power now limited due to that merger and now that the matrix is aware due to fusing with the human form, of its limitations. Does it still access to all its power just in limited form.

[Zoaknight]

It'll be interesting to see how the Matrix adapts to its new existence, seeing as that its clearly the actual matrix in control rather than the girl Eve simply being brought back to life by it (which also could have been interesting but this works too). I imagine that the shard could easily become either friend or foe to the people of earth depending on what it feels it needs to do inorder to survive (and i believe it will think in terms of kill or be killed being a creator born device like a guyver rather than in terms of right or wrong). Also, since its a matrix, it could potentially upgrade its human form into a Zoanoid or Zoalord form inorder to better its chances of survival if it feels it has to, much like how we've speculated in the past that Jason could potentially use the Matrix to alter his human form and become stronger, but that he chooses not to do so because he doesn't want to be more than human (which is hard enough to remain as with such a powerful guyver unit at his disposal already).

P.S. I GASPED when Eliminator KNEELED before Imakuram...Clearly Chronos has gained a mysterious new servant somehow and I'll be waiting patiently, or trying to , until we learn his story and why he's allied himself with Chronos (all we know for sure is he wants Fiona dead and came from her universe)

[Juggernought]

It could also be that the Eliminator sensed that Imakarum was somehow linked to Alkanphel in some way....be it through their psychic link or it could be genetically based as well if Alkanphel incorporated some of his dna in Imakarum when he was remade...So it sensed some of Alkanphel in him, and since Alkanphel is the only one he is programmed to follow, with the master zoalord out of action, Imakarum would be the next logical choice to follow in line with his programming.

Another reason could be that the dead man used to create the Eliminator is in some ways linked to Chronos and was loyal to them so that residual effect came through even in death in this new incarnation....who knows.

[Zoaknight]

It could also be that the Eliminator sensed that Imakarum was somehow linked to Alkanphel in some way....be it through their psychic link or it could be genetically based as well if Alkanphel incorporated some of his dna in Imakarum when he was remade...So it sensed some of Alkanphel in him, and since Alkanphel is the only one he is programmed to follow, with the master zoalord out of action, Imakarum would be the next logical choice to follow in line with his programming.

Another reason could be that the dead man used to create the Eliminator is in some ways linked to Chronos and was loyal to them so that residual effect came through even in death in this new incarnation....who knows.

Perhaps Eliminator was created by the same aliens who want W'kar to kill Dreadnought? They could see her as another threat to time and space and dimensional frabric yada yada, but long story short, they could have made him to kill Fiona and chose to assign him to Chronos since they want Dreadnought and his friend's dead as more than anyone...But your theory of him having been someone once loyal to Chronos returning to his master's after an unexpected upgrade works too (in what chpt did we see the dead man become Elim again?)

[Juggernought]

An alternate dimension Alkanphel created the Eliminator to hunt down Female warrior Guyver in the Strange Worlds fan fiction, it followed Dreadnought and Fiona when they went through the barrier to Jason's dimension.

[Zoaknight]

An alternate dimension Alkanphel created the Eliminator to hunt down Female warrior Guyver in the Strange Worlds fan fiction, it followed Dreadnought and Fiona when they went through the barrier to Jason's dimension.

"facepalms" oh damn, I hate myself for forgetting an important detail like that . Thanks for cluing me in Juggernaut

Clearly I must take advantage of my vacation this week to reread the older stories again so I'll remember these things , at any rate, now we know why Eliminator kneels before Imakuram, acting ruler of Chronos, because he was created by his universe's Alkanphel and now wishes to serve the Chronos of Jason's universe, and by extension serve the currently dormant Alkanphel (who's return I eagerly await ).

Chronos now has alot of new heavy hitters (only fair since all the anti-chronos forces have new big shots as well). They got Zarfel who's now as strong as a Master Zoalord, Tonnin (another Master level Zoalord in terms of power if not rank just yet), Warrior Guyver Vamore, Warrior Guyver Thancrus Mark II, Black Guyver Darzerb, and Eliminator. I realize that the two newest guyver zoanoids were created by mistake, but in retrospect bonding those units to humans wouldn't have been much of a boost to Chronos's combat strength with the Anti-Chronos forces having so many advanced guyver powerhouses at their disposal (especially when ya factor in that three of their best and brightest, Natasha, Kron, and Alkanphel are temporarily out of commission while they go through whatever changes they're going through within the cocoons).

[guyverfanatic]

It could also be that the Eliminator sensed that Imakarum was somehow linked to Alkanphel in some way....be it through their psychic link or it could be genetically based as well if Alkanphel incorporated some of his dna in Imakarum when he was remade...So it sensed some of Alkanphel in him, and since Alkanphel is the only one he is programmed to follow, with the master zoalord out of action, Imakarum would be the next logical choice to follow in line with his programming.

Another reason could be that the dead man used to create the Eliminator is in some ways linked to Chronos and was loyal to them so that residual effect came through even in death in this new incarnation....who knows.

I think that the Eliminator is telepathic, so he could sense that Imakarum was second in charge and therefore he would take orders from him until Alkanphel came out of his cocoon. Well, that's my guess...

[Zoaknight]

Here's a thought...Can Eliminator be controlled by Zoalord thought waves or is he like a Guyver or Lost Number? He may have been created by an Alkanphel from another universe but I imagine that his maker was just as strict when it came to ensuring his servant's obedience as Jason's world's Alkanphel, i.e. he wouldn't have created a being like Eliminator if it couldn't be controlled. If thats the case, then Eliminator could actually have more in common with a zoanoid or a kavzar (both creatures who respond to the psychic commands of others) than to an actual guyver...Just imagine what Chronos could create by studying him

P.S. I also realize now that if a matrix shard can bond with a guyver unit or a dead woman's corpse, it could also concievably bond with a Zoalord "ponders what a Matrix enhanced Zoalord would look like and be like" :mura:

[guyverfanatic]

I think the Eliminator can only be controlled by Alkanphel because he was expressly created to kill Female Warrior Guyver.

Zoalord fused with a Matrix, sounds just as bad if not worse than a Guyver Zoalord!

[Zoaknight]

I think the Eliminator can only be controlled by Alkanphel because he was expressly created to kill Female Warrior Guyver.

Zoalord fused with a Matrix, sounds just as bad if not worse than a Guyver Zoalord!

If that is indeed the case then Eliminator is probably pledging his allegiance to Imakuram because he's the highest ranking Zoalord currently active (poor dude is in serious need of reoptimazation, his Zoalord form just can't compete with Agito and Sho anymore & with Kron & Alkanphel dormant he'll need more power to fill their shoes). At any rate, Elim will probably bow before his true master Alkanphel once he emerges from his cocoon.

A Matrix Zoalord would be a force to be reckoned with indeed (Alternate Alkanphel may have utilized the Matrix's powers but he didn't merge with it or unlock its full potential), and could be a potential threat in the future...The shard of Matrix inside that dead girl's body seems very confused and lost as to what to do with its newfound freedom and sentience/free will, and while its busy trying to figure out what to do with itself it could easily become a target for the ACTF or even Chronos if they become aware of it (it is only a shard of the Matrix afterall, meaning it may not know as much as a complete matrix, plus its not used to acting on its own). Either side would want to remove the shard from the girl's body and study it, or possibly use it to enhance one of their own warriors. ACTF would want their own Matrix Warrior Guyver/Dreadnought now that Jason's left and as for Chronos...Well, with Alkanphel and Kron out of the picture for the time being there could be more than a few greedy Zoalords out there seeking a means to increase their power while the Bossman is sleeping (all speculation of course, but its SO MUCH fun to speculate all the different possibilities, I really do love how Sully set things up with this latest story, just about anything could happen now in the current storyline setup).

[Juggernought]

Also...if Alkanphel assigns the Eliminator as his personal body guard at all times that combo could potentially beat Dreadnought who had trouble beating down the Eliminator when it was fighting him alone.

Plus i think the Eliminator functions similarly to how the relationship between the Kavzars and the Creators. 'He' was made by Alkanphel so would probably view him as his god and master and would blindly follow and obey without question. Similar to the matrix fused with a dead human, so is the Eliminator fused, only it's a unit using a human body(yet to be seen if it has actually achieved true sentience)....only this time it has a purpose, it has a master. And it absolutely will not stop.

As for the matrix girl, i doubt the matrix can be removed from that body. It fused with the human to heal itself and allow it to survive. I can only guess it has limited access to its full powers right now and even when it achieves this it is fully integrated with the new body. It probably won't even want to leave if it could.

[Zeus Thunderbolt]

Just a quick aside, who is the gigantic cerise character. It pops up near to the end of the seven days part 7. Any details on who it is and what they are?

[Juggernought]

Could be Gigantic Female Guyver 3's new name.

[guyverfanatic]

Could be Gigantic Female Guyver 3's new name.

Bingo! That's exactly who she is.

[McAvoy]

That is correct. Though personally I prefer Female Gigantic.

Anyway, I think Eliminator's sudden loyalty is probably because of Imakarum's link with Alkanphel.

[Zoaknight]

Oh yeah! Imakuram is connected to Al and Elim may be able to sense and recognize that (to serve Imakuram is to serve Alkanphel basically...though I think all the Zoalords are bond to Alkanphel these days, though his loyalty is surely the greatest, though Sin & Barcus are too).

BTW, does the name Cerise have any special meaning? Like how Jason's Dreadnought name comes from him being so epically powerful and Agito names himself after Zeus because he's got a god complex?

[guyverfanatic]

Maybe Warrior Guyver 2 could get the Mark II unit, I think it would be perfect for him.

[Sully]

BTW, does the name Cerise have any special meaning?

I wanted a code name better than Female Gigantic Guyver and Gigantic Guyver being the other one with the new guy taking over the code name. So basically I went to basics, Gigantic Dark was called that simply because of the colour. Gigantic Cerise is basically because she's pink. Cerise being another word for that.

[McAvoy]

So Gigantic Guyver 14 is what now?

Just Gigantic Guyver or:

Gigantic Pasty

Gigantic Sallow

Gigantic Pallid?

Lol

Since he is Native American, He could be

Gigantic Wab

Gigantic Waapaaw

Gigantic Diiguc

Gigantic Kaxtsnu

Gigantic Taka'

Gigantic Kuts

Gigantic Khac

Gigantic Unega

All mean white by the way.