Bio Lords

[Juggernought]

Well they can also produce more wyvern units for other purposes....if Chronos in fact created said units, they could still base it around the concept that the top ranking zoalords are able to control them with Alkanphel being the all powerful override. I think those units made zoalords more efficient with their energy and powers. They have basic guyver like weaponry, it probably had control features littered all over the unit to enhance and limit the amount of energy needed to be used for attacks...with the control medal itself would be more useful because it will help control the armor and also they won't be restricted from accessing creator technology now.

But i too agree that the wyvern was a way to make more powerful units and because it was a permanent upgrade they couldn't remove it or be able to bond to another unit. the only way to gain power is if the wyvern could be upgraded or the zoalord goes through further optimization.

But Chronos does not have that tech and have no idea about it...My only guess would be the matrix that W'kar has in his possession may have data on this, and also Agito....who knows if his double gave him files on how to create a new one. That could be the missing link to prolong the life of his zoalord Griselda.

[Sully]

That could be the missing link to prolong the life of his zoalord Griselda.

Lets spice things up a little.

Some of you know the main diffence between WG fic's Agito and the offical story line is that in the fan-fic he never got access to the Arizona Relic. But instead he got access too the Unit of Solom of the WG 2 universe.

Now after reading Time War part 1 do you think Agito would have access to something... Well not just Guyver info that Solom knew?

Also consider the location, the ACTF HQ is the former main proceessing plant in the USA and formerly the Pentagon. So on levels Aigto's new found alliance with ACTF has many pluses to it. So much so that he gave Carter what he wants. Another dormant Unit.

[Juggernought]

Well he would definitely have access to basically all the old and current knowledge that that Solom knew. From ancient zoalord designs all the way up to the warrior kavzars. Technically with the right resources Agito could make his own unit. But as was seen when he was first trying to locate the Genesis relic it may still take him some time to unlock all those secrets as it seems all the information aren't readily available to him. He must first find a way to connect to the memory bank in his control medal to do so.\

Now that i think on it, Agito would be a very key player as he has all the memories of Solom and possibly he's the only one other than Alkanphel with intimate knowledge on how the Gen operate and their history. That would indeed help him manipulate others to consolidate his position as a world leader.

[McAvoy]

I agree with the above except that Agito probably had more knowslge as WG3 than Alkanphelon Creator/Gen knowledge. I mean his knowledge may be on a current alternate and possibly more advanced Gen culter whereas Alkanphels knowledge would be on Uranus/pre gen culture.

[largo]

All I see from Agito getting his hands on Soloms knowledge is kavzar enhanced libertus.

[McAvoy]

Why mess with Libertus when has all the knowledge of Solom leading up to the Warrior Kavzar and maybe beyond?

Granted he may not be able right now use that to his it's full potential. But if you really think about it, he already created a unique Warrior Gigantic unit that only he can use. While the genesis project allowed him to do that, he had to start from somewhere. Sort of like giving you all the parts to build a Nascar car, but with a manual written in Japanese. Eventually you will figure it out.

Also Agito doesn't have the resources to start making his own Solom inspired creations. Only Chronos and the ACTF has that.

[*zeo]

Sort of like giving you all the parts to build a Nascar car, but with a manual written in Japanese. Eventually you will figure it out.

Yes, but only if your brain can comprehend the knowledge... Not everyone can build a car, even with the manual in the right language...

Even with knowledge within your I.Q. range, there is a difference between book knowledge and hands on knowledge as well.

[Zoaknight]

So the idea is that Agito may have some of alternate Solom's knowledge stored inside his guyver unit? But, wouldn't that mean Warrior Guyver 2 would possess similar info since both units came from the same dimension?

Anywho, back to Biolords, what sort of enhancements do ya think Chronos could make on their zoalord and biolord designs using the tech and resources currently available to them? They have alot of new guyvers, guyver like creatures, and enhanced zoaforms at their disposal, plus a Matrix Warrior Guyver Natasha (her super genuis compined with the Matrix's abilities should enable her to make some impressive new advances in Chronos zoaform and biotechnology).

[Juggernought]

Agito's unit came from Solom who's unit was removed and he was killed, so he would have all the knowledge of Solom stored in it...Warrior Guyver 2's unit was found dormant in a relic, so the only information he has is what a baseline warrior guyver CM would give its host.

That is unless when the warrior units are working together they download all information from each other...that would be the only way warrior guyver 2 would have access to it. But i doubt that's the case.

Obviously they have concentrated on giving the upgrades guyver like weaponry since most advanced warriors (creators and otherwise) are based off the bio armor. If they can produce bio upgrades with similar stats when compared to the warrior units, without the zoalord having the ability to go rogue, that's more power for them.

Also Chronos' zoalords are still inferior to what the creators can create. IE: Kron, Zeugma, Alkanphel etc Chronos is still trying to figure out how to improve on their zoalord and zoanoid optimization techniques, that's why they are so hot to obtain more creator tech because it may give them some insight to this. Guyver units are good for increase power but Chronos cannot control them directly, each of their units are basically ppl who voluntarily remains in chronos. But having access to more advanced relics would mean they can grow more Arks and access the control spheres to gain knowledge.

[McAvoy]

Sort of like giving you all the parts to build a Nascar car, but with a manual written in Japanese. Eventually you will figure it out.

Yes, but only if your brain can comprehend the knowledge... Not everyone can build a car, even with the manual in the right language...

Even with knowledge within your I.Q. range, there is a difference between book knowledge and hands on knowledge as well.

Technically yes. Given time even the most inept mechanically inclined person can put a car together. It may take a lifetime though.

That's what I am figuring with Agito. Given time he mya figure it all out. However, it's not like we are talking about the movie Matrix here though. Where he has all the knowledge downloaded into his brain and instantly knows what to do with it.

[*zeo]

Technically yes. Given time even the most inept mechanically inclined person can put a car together. It may take a lifetime though.

Or never, knowledge is just a collection of data and doesn't automatically equal comprehension. If one's brain isn't wired to understand key concepts then that brain can never build the proverbial car.

Guyver technology goes into higher dimensional physics, like the Boost Dimension for example and the human brain can only handle that in abstract terms. So there may be parts of the knowledge Agito will access and just go wtf does that mean

And it's not like there are any Solom cliff notes to dumb it down Though the WG unit does augment the host perception and may possibly make some things that would otherwise beyond him into reach. But it may be that only a Gen/Creator can understand all of it...

[Zoaknight]

I wonder, would all non-Guyver enhanced Biolords (i.e. ones not enhanced with a bioarmor unit like Kron's) be identical in design to Alfrid Drano and his form or would there be similarities but with variations like in previous Zoalord models? Ya know, like how the Supreme Zoalords/Elite Zoalords have their own unique abilities on top of powers that come standard to all Zoalord models.

[Juggernought]

And it's not like there are any Solom cliff notes to dumb it down Though the WG unit does augment the host perception and may possibly make some things that would otherwise beyond him into reach. But it may be that only a Gen/Creator can understand all of it...

Well i'm pretty sure Agito knows his limits as far as understanding that information and may try and develop a way he can upload it to something with a more user friendly interface....I'm sure he'd find someone who could possibly figure it all out, possibly he could use Guyver Zero if he finds out who Zero really is/was, and if Zero regains any knowledge of his former life, maybe Zero can use his dormant Gen powers towards this end. Or he could possibly link up with that dead or alive girl who merged with piece of the matrix....it's possible she could decipher the information if he discovers her and earns her trust to encourage her to use her powers consciously to his own ends.

I wonder, would all non-Guyver enhanced Biolords (i.e. ones not enhanced with a bioarmor unit like Kron's) be identical in design to Alfrid Drano and his form or would there be similarities but with variations like in previous Zoalord models? Ya know, like how the Supreme Zoalords/Elite Zoalords have their own unique abilities on top of powers that come standard to all Zoalord models.

It could be that if more Biolords were created on the zoalord level they would have some attributes similar to Drano but probably the source of the power would be different. Drano is as powerful as he is because he's Alkanphel's favorite zoalord and since Alkanphel created the Bio Titans who rival some of the zoalords in raw power he saw fit to give Drano this same source of power but on a bigger scale.

I really think that Chronos is aiming towards the Biolord armor upgrade though, because when Kron was newly awakened he improved on the idea of those implants that would aid the zoalords in controlling the bio armor and would be able to gain guyver enhancements and make them all as strong as warrior guyvers. All 12 zoalords have this modification and are now only awaiting the availability of stable bio armor upgrades. Kron and Alkanphel lucked out because their bio armors were pretty much stable guyver unit shells with hardly any true bio boost systems available - so all it took was manipulating the armor to provide at least the basic healing and weapon properties of the units and they were the first "prototypes" i guess you could say, for these kind of upgrades.

[Sully]

One thing to bare in mind, this will be given more detail in the re-writes coming up. So expect some slight changes to what you think is standard.

Also timing wise, in the rewrote Rescue there will probebaly not be any Chronos characters at all and the story will more focus on ACTF and the Grakken. This means All things Change parts 1 and 2 will instead be more Chronos focused, along with the story line of Cori finding the Battle Unit and Primitive Guyver's story at the start of part 1.

Kron in modren times will be a big factor of All things Change Parts 1 and 2. So expect a different build up than before.

At the moment if I where you guys I'd remove Alknaphel out of the chat about Bio-Lords as he's totally un-related other than the people who helped make his Unit somewhat viable are at the apex of that project. Guyver II F's unit relationship to his Unit will be explained in that story too. Prug'stall's suvival in the fan-fic will be given a lot of time here too as Chronos faces it's first major crisis of leadership since the reforming of Chronos 2 odd years ago when the Gigantics knocked their number in half.

The Bio-Lords, bio-Titans etc all stem from this time, and in fact from about 3 major fan-fic characters interferance. So yup the re-write of All Things Change will be interesting.

Thinking about it at the moment:

Parts 1 and 2 = Kron story line mostly dealing with events since Revenge and All Things Change and the new leadership in Chronos. Kron will not be ranked has he was before. Imakarum is the 2nd in command still due to his relaltopship with Alkanphel, that will not change in the rewrite. Kron for awhile is the single most powerful being in Chronos. A master Zoalord healed of his wounds. Bound now to Alkanphel and in turn Imakarum. Agito activates his WG unit in part 2.

Part 3 = This will be where modren Gen impact will be fully felt, the Merc's are introduced here. As before though it ends with Warrior Guyver flying the WG relic into the waiting hands of a healed Alkanphel.

Part 4 = Agito reveals his trump card the Zues armour. Zeugma's escape is handled much differently than before (that's all I'll say here). Major change here is the Merc's. They will be trying to act as the Grakken's human reps. They will betray (basically leave for high paying jobs). But the only one who fights others is WG5 as he goes a little loopy. He will damage Faye's unit.

Chronos and ACTF will have a more hostile relationship in Part 4 too. Europe being the new battleground. The MErc's largely stay out of events and do not piss off Chronos as much has last time. Note at the moment thinking about it I can't think of a good reason to have WG5 and WG fight as it happened before. Also thinking about it Dreadnought's return will happen differently.

how the Grakken get involved by the end I'm not quite sure of yet but it won't be the same has it happened before..

I think this is a good enough derail now. Happy new year.