Agito versus Balcus!

[Guest]

After going through my copy of book 22, i can only see things getting worse for our cool character Gigantic Dark. Not to write off Waferdanos completely( he probably has a few tricks left up his sleeve) but I think Balcus will be the real problem! I must admit though I am excited to see what Takaya finally has in store for Balcus Zoalord battleform (I'm not going to ask you guys what you think his battleform will be, wrong place for that). But Balcus is the oldest and most experienced zoalord, (excluding Alkanphel) Agito would be wise not to underestimate him!

[daveblackeye152]

I'm always interested. He first appeared in book 3 and now we get to see his form in book 23 (maybe) I think his element is physic power. I bet he'll be tough all right (even for a Zoalord)

[Guest]

Takaya hasn't written a begining to this battle yet, and that's why it's only speculation that it could happen.

I admit, it clings very much to the hardcore story, just gripping what Takaya himself will do in the next turn of the page. But I've seen topics like this stopped before in -this- area of the board. It's not official yet.

(moving from Guyver zone to Fanfic zone so that speculation may ensue)

I don't know. Balcus has been with Alkanfel from the begining. He's used power before, but he's never done any real fighting. I get the feeling that in traditional manga style he might be one of the last befor Alkanfel to go down. It would be nice to have a philosophical death for him (with seeing him fight, but to see his power unleashed in intangible ways); unfortunetly I don't think that's Takaya's style. Takaya does things that have symbolism, but I think you might get your fight in the end.

I just don't want to imagine this great thinker, mentalist, with something as base as a battle form. I like to keep his great power intangible... to have something there that we can just never grasp at. oh well

What do you guys think? Barcas next?

[Matt Bellamy]

I don't think so personally. Considering the detenation of the Arizona base is almost upon us... PLUS, Agito has to be getting tired. He's put up an excellent fight as it is, but facing 3 Zoalords, probably is goign to be a bit too much for him.

That or, as I hope, Sho will pull the Gigantic off of him to try and save Aptom. THAT would be sweet.

[Armageddon]

as I hope, Sho will pull the Gigantic off of him to try and save Aptom. THAT would be sweet.

That would be neat to see. This aura that Sho has around him plus the Gigantic would probably make him as stronger or about as strong as one of the Warrior Guyvers from the fan fiction we know and love.

So, what are you thinking, Matt? Blast off a piece of Aptom? (It's been suggested that any part of Aptom not connected to Chaos Aptom's body would revert to the Aptom we all know and love to see cannabalize zoanoids) and then destroy Chaos Aptom?

Armageddon.

[omegaling]

After two intense rounds (first against Yentsui, and now Waferdanos), both sides have to be wearing down, but since Balkus hasn't done much, it looks like he would have the upper hand. But also remember, Griselda and four Libertus are still within the base, and know that something bad's about to go down (ie the whole base blowing up in what was it, less than an hour?), so its in their best intrest to get out of there as soon as possible, which probably means taking on the survivng Chronos forces head on. Their assistance could be enough to turn the battle to Agito's favor.

[Guest]

After two intense rounds (first against Yentsui, and now Waferdanos), both sides have to be wearing down, but since Balkus hasn't done much, it looks like he would have the upper hand. But also remember, Griselda and four Libertus are still within the base, and know that something bad's about to go down (ie the whole base blowing up in what was it, less than an hour?), so its in their best intrest to get out of there as soon as possible, which probably means taking on the survivng Chronos forces head on. Their assistance could be enough to turn the battle to Agito's favor.

Unless Balcus and the others want to keep Agito there for as long as possible and plan on teleporting at the very last possible minute, wounding or distracting Agito enough to keep him inside the base when it explodes or something. Even though he has the Gigantic Armor on, Agito has to be reaching his limit soon.

[*Jess♥]

I can't see balcus having a battle form at all.

my reason for saying this is that he was turned into a zoalord by alkanphel.

alkanphel at that point probably didn't have any idea how to develop zoanoids let alone zoalords. it was balcus who probably figured all that out.

i mean alkanphel is absolute power. he doesn't strike me as the scientific type.

[Guest]

Does anyone else think that Balcus is without a battleform? I was curious because in the first guyver film he does! In the movie the horns of Balcus's head is similar to that of Guyot's, but the face and body resembles that of a dragon more than being humanoid! Surely Balcus could of laid down plans for his own battleform and then used other chronos scientists to assist while he was in the processing tank!

Any thoughts?

[Guest]

Does anyone else think that Balcus is without a battleform? I was curious because in the first guyver film he does! In the movie the horns of Balcus's head is similar to that of Guyot's, but the face and body resembles that of a dragon more than being humanoid! Surely Balcus could of laid down plans for his own battleform and then used other chronos scientists to assist while he was in the processing tank!

Any thoughts?

Please, if you value your existance you will never refer to movie Balcus as being the same from the anime/manga. They aren't.

Alkanphel may no thave been able to give Balcus a battle form at first, but Balcus was probably able to create a battle form for himself as he grew more knowledable of how to create zoalord forms and then showed one of his assitances how to do it or something.

[Guest]

Greetings all,

Since his first appearance Dr. Balcus has been shown as the second in command of all ongoing operations. Guyot was the Chief of Operations but he was selected for zoalord processing by the good doctor. With his rank established take a look at what we know. Although some zoalords have not shown us their forms we know they have them. Biologically manipulated homo sapiens is the very foundation of the story itself.

Balcus' introduction into upper echelons of the zoalord heirarchy is confusing without the story explaining how this came to be. He was shipwrecked on the Island of Silha. There is where he was introduced to Archanfel. Now if you recall in book 14 page 20 he is shown without his zoacrystal. But if you skip over to book 19 page 7 he has it. Information from the time he first came into contact with Archanfel and the present is sketchy at best. This is where the problem lies.

Balcus has been the mind and driving force behind the organization since its conception. He established the process for creating the zoanoids, the hyper zoanoids, and the zoalords. His psychic abilities have been stated as the strongest, save Archanfel, by Murakami. Agito may have a guyver unit but he lacks the countless years of experience his former mentor has over him. Should this fight come to pass it will not be something Agito will soon forget.

In summary we should think about the facts stated and illustrated by the writer before making brash assumptions that undermine the very foundation of the story.

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Sidenote:

To question Archanfel's scientific intelligence is to question to very core of his empire. While in suspended animation he had constant telepathic contact with the outside world. With that being said its safe to assume that he was able to assimilate archives of knowledge and experience thru the lifeforms he rules over. Also take into account his prolonged contact with the creators themselves.

A clear example of this can be found in book 6 page 123. Here we see Aptom's futile attempt to assault Archanfel. Now if you will read the caption he gives a detailed account of Aptom's capabilities. Some will assume that this is just his abilities kicking in but some of it has to be based on acquired scientific knowledge.

In closing, when you think of Archanfel think mindshare.

[*Jess♥]

WOW! Thats a very good point.

i guess alkanphel must know about the zoanoids because he needs to know how to control them (or kill them).

i feel kinda embarrassed .

in that case do you think that balcus may have a battleform not too dissimilar to alkanphel?

after all god created man in his own image....

also now i come to think of it when we look at imakarum, there is a good chance that he could have been adjusted by alkanphel. i mean, looking at the eyes, and im not sure but were the other chronos officials surprised to see him?

[Guest]

WOW! Thats a very good point.

i guess alkanphel must know about the zoanoids because he needs to know how to control them (or kill them).

i feel kinda embarrassed .

in that case do you think that balcus may have a battleform not too dissimilar to alkanphel?

after all god created man in his own image....

also now i come to think of it when we look at imakarum, there is a good chance that he could have been adjusted by alkanphel. i mean, looking at the eyes, and im not sure but were the other chronos officials surprised to see him?

Hate to sound sarcastic Drag, but wouldn't you be surprised if someone that totally hated your course, suddenly became second in command of it?

[Guest]

um, I've kind of got to disagree with a few things on this.

I don't think Alkanfel is really all that scientific minded. Star's translation says that Alkanfel asked Barcas to recreate the creators power for him. So I'm guessing that Dr. Barcas spent all these years doing the research and development. Don't get me wrong, I think Alkanfel pointed him in the right direction by giving him zoacrystals from his body, and such minor stuff. But I don't really think Alkanfel is usefull in the lab. I don't think he's the type to memorize the codeings of zoanoid DNA either. He's not Tetsuo or Agito.

When Alkanfel was attacked by Aptom in book 6, yes, he did comment on Aptom being Barcas' work. But remember, Aptom was unique. Aptom isn't even telepathically linkable anymore. Alkanfel probebly just recognized Barcas' work. (and sheesh, I hate saying Barcas, I prefer Balcus. It's just that Takaya based this off a real naval captain from 400 years ago. I hate the pronounciation, but oh well. I'm not the series creator)

And yes, I think that Alkanfel did the reprossesing of Murikami into Imakarum. On the island of Silha, there is Alkanfel's womb inside the pyramid. Alkanfel was born in that along with every other zoanoid inside the relic bioships. They were the creators version of processing tanks, the basis that Barcas used to invent zoanoid processing tanks.

I believe that Barcas was put inside Alkanfel's womb to turn him into as much of a zoalord as possible. And I agree, I believe that Murikami was put into that same womb as well to turn him into Imakarum. The difference though is that Barcas was a human at the start, and Murikami was a 'proto'-zoalord. The rest of the wombs relic appears to be missing, and there doesn't seem to be much to help reprogram the womb in any way (no way to tell it to turn a human into a full zoalord).

After all, if Alkanfel's womb can't instantly churn out zoalord's, then it might explain why Barcas has to research and process them manually.

I believe that by thrusting the crystal into the skull, then entering the womb, the womb can 'heal' the telepathy back into the body without even realizing that telepathy wasn't there in the first place. That the womb doesn't realize that it's not Alkanfel in there all the time. That the womb is set only to maintain Alkanfel.

That's why I doubt that we'll see an Alkanfel based zoaform for Barcas. But I'm due to be VERY wrong soon.

[Guest]

My apologies for complicating matters by using the name Archanfel instead of Alkanphel. Switching between the english and japanese editions can be daunting.

For those of you who are not familiar with the intricacies of psionics I will explain my theory below.

All sentient lifeforms have what is known as a psychological pattern or whats otherwise referred to as a mental map. This outline is sort of like the FAT table on your DOS based machines. Each map stores the locations of data, their attitudes, their pains, as well as memories. Under normal situations this material is never even realized by anyone but the individual himself/herself.

In Alkanphel's case the rules are thrown out the window. The facts are he is thousands of years old. He had direct contact with the creators who were eons ahead of him. His life force has been maintained on the Island of Silha inside the womb since he stopped their attempts at annihilating earth. In all that time he may have been in suspended animation but his mind was FAR from asleep.

As his subjects evolved so did their ability to gather and store data in their primitive minds. Each one containing various wisdoms, knowledge, and lore. All of which are directly accessible by him. Alkanphel has the ability to replicate a mental map and incorporate the data directly into his mind. So his intelligence multiplies as the number of humans grow. Every living being a giant archive ripe for downloading, including secretly imprinting the creators.

This explains the scene with Aptom. Part of it is his natural abilities of analysis but the other part is simple knowledge. Alkanphel is well versed in the creation of zoanoids, hyperzoanoids, and zoalords... How else can you explain Mirabilis' ability to create the Enzyme III prototype when hes never even PROCESSED a zoanoid before? Simple answer, Alkanphel's direct link to his mind feeding him all the information he needs to create it. Yes some is based on Dr. Balcus' previous work but the majority is a new beast altogether.

The facts are undeniable. Alkanphel could put a PhD in any profession to shame seeing as hes lived long enough to master all of them. But I will let you decide for yourselves.

[omegaling]

Getting off topic guys

[Guest]

Who cares, Omega? What Robert is speaking of is sheer brilliance, pretty much. But, about the whole Barcas veruses Gigantic Dark, well... I doubt that Barcas will show much of any attemptation to attack. Pretty sure he's well aware of the detentation in the Arizona H.Q. So, yeah, I doubt you'll see that confrontation at the time... but about Barcas' zoaform... I doubt he has one either; he's too assertive with the whole telekinesis ability. One more thing... Is it really Hamilical Barcas or Hamilikal Balcus?