Measuring the Guyvers physical Strength?

[Guest]

I want to ask anyone if they know of any official statistics or your own opinions regarding the physical strength (excluding weapons) of the guyver unit compared to the normal human being.

The prompt for this question is the data files at the end of each episode of the guyver anime. Some of the zoanoid data files give statistics on there strength, eg

Gregole - Muscle power is 15 times that of a normal human being

Vamore - Muscle power is 5 times the strength of a normal human being

Ramotith - Enhanced muscle power is 10 times that of normal human beings

So you see my point, what is the muscle power of the guyver?

I appreciate this is a very tricky question because even though the units are the same, surely the muscle power will be dependant on the hosts abilities and strength. For example I would of expected Guyver 2's muscle power to be far in excess of Guyver 1's as Lisker was a mature and fully developed man; on top of this he was trained in the martial arts which would of increased his human strength as well. Sho on the other hand is just a boy. Even Guyver 2's data file read:

"Lisker was orginally an expert of martial arts and had trained to become a hyper zoanoid, so his existing power merged well with the power of unit G"

I would expect the units to be identical in muscle power if the host is unconscious, because then the armor would shift into defence mode and display the highest possible level of strength capable from the unit. But how do we differentiate the levels in strength diplayed between a conscious host and an unconscious one?

For example:

Anime Data 4 "Attack of the Hyper Zoanoid Team 5"

A conscious sho as the guyver. His strength does not match Derzerbs in this battle and Derzerb runs him into a wall, through a class room and out the other side.

Anime Data 6 "The Fall of Chronos Japan"

An unconscious sho as the guyver. In a rematch the guyver in defence mode is able to stop Derzerb in his tracks and run him a considerable distance and out of the window to plunge to is death!

This example clearly shows to differing levels of strength, my questions to you guys are how do we measure this strength? How much stronger is a conscious Agito as Guyver 3, compared to a conscious Sho as Guyver 1? And don't even get me started on the Gigantics!

Your thoughts and opinions will be highly valued and if someone dares come up with some figures that would be great!!!!

[xtro guyver]

Well a guyver roughly has 100 times the strenght of a normal human

The same strenght level applys to both darzeb and zektole as well as guyot in human form.

As for why guyver seems stronger in self defence mode, the host still thinks of them selves as human and there fore still finds it hard to think pass set limitation in the mind they have from growing up with only normal strenght. The cm has no such limitation plus it will ignore pain was well simply because any muscel strain can easily be fixed by the unit.

As for comparing strenght between guyvers the strenght should be simliar as it is due to host ablity to provide bio energy as upon activation the host is particaly absorb by the guyver

Don't forget the main reason darzerb beat guyver 1 in ep 4 was due to the way he grab the hand and the he caused him pain, after all sho has never been trained to take pain.

[jedi-guyver]

As for how we got a hundred times a normal human, i do believe that it was murakima that stated the the boi-booster armor increased there host streangth a hundred fold.

[*zeo]

Anime Data 6 "The Fall of Chronos Japan"

An unconscious sho as the guyver. In a rematch the guyver in defence mode is able to stop Derzerb in his tracks and run him a considerable distance and out of the window to plunge to is death

Just clarifying, since I don't have time to fully answer this topic, but your statement is inaccurate, G1 in self defense mode only showed itself to be slightly stronger than Darzerb when applying full strength under an equal leverage position by pushing him back one step. It was only after G1 had used his sonic busters and ruptured Darzerbs eardrums, as well as other damage to his skull, that G1 was then able to easily force him back and out the window. Darzerb at that point was in no condition to properly resist.

Your examples fall primarily on how the Guyver was depicted in the anime but Xtro Guyver's analysis is essentially correct. Remember the primary factor for the Guyver effect is the human brain, not the body which by itself is mainly just a tool. The Bio-Boost process itself is catalyzed by infusing the host body with energy from the boost dimension. So the primarily factor is how the power of the Guyver is used. Only if the host ability to be bio-boosted is enhanced, such as being a zoaform, will physical ability become a possibly overwhelming factor.

I have my own theories on the specifics but nothing is cannon until Takaya makes it official.

[Guest]

Takaya made it official in the Visual Data Files. I think he said 100 times. At first I was going to translate it into english as meening 'a lot', but Masako told me that in that particular instance, 100 meant 100. At least I think that was for the muscle power. We translated something as 100, and I'm sure this was it. I'll check my notes later

[Guest]

Your examples fall primarily on how the Guyver was depicted in the anime but Xtro Guyver's analysis is essentially correct. Remember the primary factor for the Guyver effect is the human brain, not the body which by itself is mainly just a tool.

This makes good sense and I do agree with Xtro's analysis, however i still think that there would be differing levels of strength displayed by guyver 1 and guyver 3.

If the primary factor for the guyver effect is the human brain then there is going to be a difference in the individual hosts "set limitation". I think Agito better understands the guyver unit more than sho does and so will have a higher limit on his strength perfomance (In other words the psychological fact that he was just human before becoming a guyver won't hold him back as much as it will Sho). I also think that it would be near impossible for the conscious host to match the 100 fold performance of the cm, unless the host had been with the unit since childhood and had become accustomed to the units strength over the years. This would reduce the "set limitation effect" kicking in that Xtro describes.

This has given me food for thought and now I'm going to pluck some random percentages out of the air.

Lets assume under CM control all guyver units display strength levels 100 times that of a normal human beings. Due to there perception of strength and set limitation each guyver host will only use a certain percentage of the guyvers strength potential.

Guyver 1 - 82% (82 times the strength of a normal human being)

Guyver 2 - 93%

Guyver 3 - 87%

Let me know what you guys think of the idea and percentages!

[McAvoy]

While I do agree with some of your theories, you have to understand one thing. Going from human to Guyver level strength is more than likely linear. Basically speaking for Sho to lift 100 pounds (est) would be the same as Guyver 1 lifting 10,000 pounds or 5 tons (est) would be the same.

The only way that anything would contradict this is if the Guyver does not bio boost every single thing in Sho's body a hundred fold.

Even if we was used to being albe to lift only 100 pounds, it would only take a short amount of time to get used to it.

Here's an example, have you ever lifted something when you were a little kid? Like a bag od dog food or a trash can full of wet newspapers? Fast forward a few years, you haven't lifted that object for years and all of a sudden you lift it and it feels light? At first you think it's heavy but then you get used to the idea that you're stronger than before?

In the WG fan fiction, Guyver's with human hosts possess the full potential of their human bodies. So if Sho can only lift 100 pounds as a human. As a Guyver not only does he posssess hundred fold strength but that's of the 800 pound max that a human can lift without physically hurting himself. So according to this, Guyver 1 would actually be 800 times stronger than Sho. But this is juts a fan fiction.

[*zeo]

While I do agree with some of your theories, you have to understand one thing. Going from human to Guyver level strength is more than likely linear. Basically speaking for Sho to lift 100 pounds (est) would be the same as Guyver 1 lifting 10,000 pounds or 5 tons (est) would be the same.

I disagree.

Consider, using Manga for reference, the Guyver is not just a magnification of the host. The unit merges with the host, replacing some organs like the heart and enhancing and modifying bones, etc. So we are not talking about 100x the host since the Guyver is more than just the host. Since the units are the same, all Guyvers consequently have equivalent hearts, etc.

So the Guyver is not a power suit that simply enhances the host as is, it literally makes the host all they can be-full human potential. So even though the host capabilities may differ, the unit remains a constant and thus an equilizing factor to this 100x debate.

We can clearly see from the Manga that the Guyvers at the very least have equivalent durability, speed and agility. The power of their weapons are also equivalent so their overall energy levels have to be close to each other.

If host physical strength was trully a factor than G2 would have had a much greater advantage over G1 during their fight which he did not show.

Also consider factors such as mass, speed and leverage. You're talking about a lot of power contained in a body barely larger than the host's. Even with linear enhancement you are not going to get the same proportional results. If you did then the Guyver would be able to run around the speed of sound and weigh just under a ton. Neither of which is the case.

Besides I believe the translation said 100 fold, which means max times 100 and not just 100 times norm as 100 times would have meant.

[Guest]

If host physical strength was trully a factor than G2 would have had a much greater advantage over G1 during their fight which he did not show.

Besides I believe the translation said 100 fold, which means max times 100 and not just 100 times norm as 100 times would have meant.

This statement has confused me a little. I'm pretty sure that in both the manga and the anime, G2 did show to have a much greater advantage over G1. The fact that G2 seemed to have so much of an advantage over G1 was the very reason i decided to post this topic. I think this example does show that human physical strength is a factor.

I agree with the 100 fold translation but again I think this supports my theory!

Lets use the bench press exercise as a measurement of strength.

If human subject A can bench 120 pounds

As a guyver, 100 fold (max times 100) subject A would bench 12,000 pounds.

If human subject B can bench 200 pounds

As a guyver, 100 fold (max times 100) subject B would bench 20,000 pounds.

So human conditioning prior to bio boosting will increase that individuals potential strength as a guyver, the multiplication of strength however will always remain fixed at 100 fold. This is the way I think it may work.

[*zeo]

The difference in the battle between G2 and G1 was a matter of fighting skill, not power. Remember Sho couldn't even budge Agito when he punched him but as Guyvers they display near equal ability. G2 did not over power G1, he out fought him. If G2 had been far stronger than G1 then G1 then he would have died before G2 went rogue.

And Max means Max and not just what the host can presently do. The full potential since the host is being enhanced and augmented by the unit the host physical limitations for lack of excersize, etc would not apply for the Guyver since the heart and lungs get replaced and the rest enhanced.

As humans we all have about the same physical potential unless you have a genetic abnormality that can give you an edge like extra lung capacity, etc than normal. But so far all host have been standard humans so Guyver enhancement has been close to the same for each.

The only factors left are fighting skill and leverage, which are the only things that make Guyvers truly different from each other.

The mistake is figuring the host as the only factor, the Guyver itself merges with the host and unless the units are different then the enhancements would be the same.

[Guest]

I kind of agree with both of you guys.

Zeo is right in that the heart and lungs of the Guyver are provided by the armor.

brucelee (8rucel33) is right in that if a human has more muscle to boost, there is more muscle to share the workload. If each muscle strand is genetically altered to be stronger, then a host with more muscle will have just a bit of an edge. If coarse, the host's that we've seen so far havn't been big, huge, rippling guys; so it probebly hasn't been that much of a difference.

As for the heart and lungs, since each armor is the same, the rate at which oxygen can be supplied ad such is probebly the same. The superior lungs can all extract oxygen from the air at the same rate, and the heart can distribute it (pump it out) at the same enhanced rate. Of course, a guyver with more muscle just might use up the oxygen a bit faster. Although he should have more blood too, and I don't remember remember Takaya mentioning anything about that. Which is funny, because bovine blood pumped into a human is just a bit more efficient; but I guess that could be used for zoanoids.

[McAvoy]

I disagree with the human max theory. Reason why? First off, we really haven't seen any of the Guyvers off the top of my head, do anything like lifting a 40 ton object. A Guyver would be able to life a F-14 over his head with ease, which is one of the heaviest fighters in the world. Second, we haven't seen a real Guyver vs. Guyver test of strength. All we saw was Guyver 2 handing Guyver 1 his butt. He wasn't using brute strength but his training. Third, 100 fold means 100 fold. Since the host and the Guyver unit become one, they can vary from 100 fold of the host's strength to 100 fold of the host's absolute potental maximum.

On the other hand, it's far easier to simply say 100 fold, believe a Guyver's really strong...

[Guest]

Second, we haven't seen a real Guyver vs. Guyver test of strength. All we saw was Guyver 2 handing Guyver 1 his butt. He wasn't using brute strength but his training.

Well, in the sixth episode of the anime, Terminal Battle, Guyver 3 had to hold off Guyver 1 while he was still in defense mode. And it showed the both of them going at it hand to hand wrestling so to speak. And from the looks of it Agito couldn't handle Guyver 1's defense mode's strength for too long. He fell to his knees as he kept trying to fight back. As said before the Guyver's defense mode may allow the host to reach his full enhanced potential strength that he otherwise wouldn't be able to without overcoming mental barriers such as pain. So i do think that most human beings have about the same measure of max potential strength, but a lot of us never get to realize it because we don't exersice as much as others. And with the guyver, that lag in physical condition may prevent them from getting the armor's full bio enchancement of strength. But when they enter self- defense mode then full potential can be accessed!

Remember guyvers are so strong anyway that you can't see a difference between them. It all really depends on which is the better skilled fighter, as said before.

[*zeo]

Additional factors to consider, many of you are assuming the Guyver muscle system actually works the same way as a normal human. I present to you that it does not.

Consider the kinetic booster organs that magnifies the host momentum and overcomes the lack of speed and mass, the exo-skeletal structure of the Guyver armor that allow the Guyver organism to also act as a muscle system, and the host Bio-Boost that powers the whole thing.

So the host muscles are really only part of the system and not the whole system.

Also consider the predominant example for this debate of the G1 vs G2 fight. Risker was a trained fighter and could probably easily lift up to 2x his own weight while Sho would be lucky if he could bench his own weight being a mere student who did not even play sports. Considering their size difference this probably equated to a 5x difference in strength. Now multiply that by 100 and you got a significant difference in strength that does not match how the battle actually played out.

This especially shows itself in the Manga which IMO was more interesting battle than the anime showed, already knew how to use head beam for example. Showing Sho was primarily outclassed in fighting ability and not strength.

[deathguyver]

but risker didn't use his full powers in the battle since his control medal was damaged,it couldn't regulate his power system effectivly. he did have a power overload when he tried using his full power and that is when sho defeated him.

[*zeo]

Incorrect, you're forgetting the Bio-Boost factor, Risker's Unit did not malfunction until the end of the fight and was already using his full power, especially in the Manga version, as nothing besides the Mega Smashers really require a large strain upon the Guyver.

Besides a unit about to malfunction causes a power overload that temporarily makes the Guyver stronger, not weaker. It's only after the power overload has run its course that the host gets consumed by the unit. It's like a fire, it burns brightest just before it finishes consuming its fuel.

The main point of the CM is not only to control and regulate the unit but to keep the unit in balance and prevent the Guyver organism from consuming the host. Without that strict control the unit would simply draw more and more energy until it consumed the host.

[Guest]

True Zeo, his unit didn't malfuntion until the end of the fight. And it was a one sided fight in the manga. Lisker was just throwing Sho all over the place. Only when Sho finally stood up to fight again did Lisker's control metal start sparking/glowing.

You are absolutely correct, every organ that the armor replaces should be on the same level for all guyvers. I will disagree with you though on one point. It says that the muscles and bones are enhanced genetically to be stronger. If each muscle cell is essentially the same, then all muscle cells of a guyver are of the same streangth. A host with more muscle (such as an adult Lisker) should have more to work with. The question then becomes, how much of a difference is there in muscle power between and adult and a high schooler?

[*zeo]

Again IMO that is too literal thinking of what happens when the host gets bio-boosted, I don't believe you're taking into account the energy factor of the Bio-Boost and the fact the Guyver expands upon the host form.

I already pointed out a literal enhancement as you are suggesting would have given Risker a 5 to 1 advantage in strength over Sho (We're talking soldier over a boy, not just an adult over a boy, the difference is as big as between an athelete and a couch potato), in neither the anime nor Manga version was he that much stronger than Sho. In both cases Sho was only clearly outclassed in fighting ability. The simple fact he blocked any of the blows would have required near equal strength otherwise he would have been overwhelmed by every blow.

Besides genetic enhancement alone would not explain the Guyver strength. Also you are assuming the muscle mass would remain the same in the enhanced state. Since the host clearly returns to a normal state along with all original organs then it is entirely possible the muscle enhancement is equal for all as well. The main and only real difference IMO is leverage and fighting ability.

Then there is the human bones which can break with as little as three pounds of pressure at a given point. It'll take more than genetic enhancement to keep those bones from shattering after every blow from a Guyver strength being.

In short I believe genetic enhancement is just an oversimplified explaination of the enhancement the Guyver gives its host. Explaining in short how the Unit channels the Bio-Boost energy to enhance the host and give the Guyver its power.

I really don't see the Guyver and host as two seperate factors and while Bio-Boosted the resulting combined being is sufficiently decidely not human enough to make literal comparisons between it and the unenhanced host an inaccurate assumption.

[*Jess♥]

All this is off course taking the assumption that the guyvers punch strength is down to muscle strength alone. of course we all know that the orbs in his forearm use gravity fields to create a momentum and this would probably be another big factor in determining the strength.

at the point when risker is holding sho against the wall and pushing his blade toward sho sho is obviously struggling a great deal against him. risker didn't seem to be having much of a problem. from this is would determine that the actual physical strength of the guyver is indeed dependant of the hosts base strength.

[*zeo]

Nope, for one thing the scene you are refering to had G2 pressing a sword towards G1's neck. Not a situation where strength was a factor at all unless you think Sho's first instinct was to push himself forward into a vibrational sword inches from his neck?

Only the following scene where G2 had G1 pinned with both hands was a test of strength but even equal strength fighters can get each other into such strangle holds. Sho was already banged up and off balance from being knocked around at that point. Risker had him pinned and his feet hanging off the ground, Sho had virtually no leverage at that point. Risker was also really mad so he was applying his full strength to try and crush Sho's neck. Even at equal strength it would have been difficult for Sho to pull Riskers hands off his neck.

For those that think this alone caused Risker to go rogue, remember Sho had already slashed his face with his sword and we know from more recent Manga that the CM is vulnerable to sonics so it could have been Sho's attack that finally pushed Risker's CM over the edge and into critical failure.

But as for strength remember the earlier scene when Sho withstood the flying kick from Risker. He absorbed that impact and managed to push Risker away, it was only Risker's superior fighting skills that then allowed him to flow with the block and use his flip momentum to then send Sho flying. Sho could even have been stronger than Risker and still gotten himself knocked around since Risker never gave him much of a chance to defend himself except for that one opening when he took his time approaching G1 to chop his head off and G1 took that opening.

But even if you are correct, the difference is not as significant as the difference between the host themselves as Sho without his armor would not have been able to defend himself at all against Risker. So in the end I do believe I am correct in thinking the armor is an equilizing factor.

More factors to consider, your speed and agility is also dependant on your strength and the Guyvers clearly have equivalent speed and agility. In the Manga G1 and G2 did some jumping during the battle and covered about the same distance. Even in the Anime Sho did a pretty good job of keeping himself from being sliced in half. So I'm not basing my analysis on any one factor but all of them.

But it really comes done to how advance you think the Guyver merger is. I simply think it is more advanced than you're considering it to be and the resulting power has more to do with the host mind than their body.

[Guest]

Yes Zeo, I agree with you that these other armor toys are nice too. It just sounds like you are not giving the human parts credit.

Takaya clearly stated that the muscles and bones are genetically enhanced to be stronger. He said it clear cut. We can't argue our way around it.

Momentum amplifiers, gravity gyros, and all these nice things. Lisker was well skilled, and Sho was well padded. Your observations are nice, but we also have a translation to work with. Now I believe we should try to smoosh the two together.

[*zeo]

Already did, as I said before IMO you are viewing genetic enhancement in a very limited view. There are many ways to enhance something genetically, most of which alters the way something works. I.E. Channeling the energy of the Guyver. We're talking conservation of energy YoungGuyver which really can't be argued around. Nowhere in the translation does it specify how exactly the enhancement works only generally. Genetic enhancement to boost strength is just a very simplified explaination that does not give us any clue to how exactly it works. There are distinct limitation to the material strength of human muscle tissue and bone, did you consider the possibility that the genetic enhancement he is refering to is to simply allow the unit to channel its power through host to boost not only strength but structural strength to help withstand the enhanced physical power? Then regardless of muscle mass it would be dependant on how much energy could be channeled to determin the resulting strength.

Genetic enhancement can also mean the introduction of DNA which can simply mean the host muscle tissue merges with the Guyver organism. Producing an equilizing factor for the final merged state.

Besides the Toys as you call them are all part of how the Guyver works and are integrated to how the whole thing works. Regarding them as anything less is equivalent to dismissing parts of the Guyver like the CM. Looking at them seperately does not give you a complete picture and is the reason I think we are still in disagreement.

That and I don't see normal humans as being different enough to noticeably effect the power of the Guyver. I.E.> It would take more than a difference in muscle mass IMO to cause a real difference in power. I don't believe the genetic enhancement works that way.

[*Jess♥]

sorry to add fuel to the fire guys, but i did some calculations last night.

now it doesn't take a genius to work out that risker is heavier than sho(by 40 kg) but what i did was to instead work out the body mass index (weight versus height) coz lisker is also taller than sho. i figured out that lisker is higher body mass index than sho (about 24 when sho is about 21) no surprise there as he is very stocky. however, when working out the BMI of the two guyvers, surprisingly enough guyver 2 had less BMI than guyver 1 (G2 about 81 and G1 about 86). this seems to lend its support to what zeo is saying about the guyver being an equalizing factor. however i would like to take into account that the g2 unit was malfunctioning so that may/maynot be relevant.

that being said guyver2 is taller and heavier than sho(about 100 kg heavier). the laws of physics dictate that guyver two should be the more powerful body. im no scientist so if any of you have an explaination for how a lighter body can be more(or the same) powerful i am more than willing to listen.

I am going to do some more calc. with guyver1 and guyver3 tonite and will probably post monday with my finding (unless someone else beats me to it!)

EDIT:

Wow looks like noones posted yet!

well here goes:-

now this is interesting.

it appears from these findings that guyver 3 and guyver 1 mass increase is 300% while guyver 2 is 240%. this making guyver 3 125% heavier than sho as human and guyver. this means that the guyver does not have an equalizing factor and that guyver 2 was almost equally matched by sho because of the unit malfunction.

i am taking the stance that mass=power here so even though guyver 2 is heavier than sho and naturally has more power, if the guyver was functioning properly sho probably wouldn't have been able to parry at all.

Zeo1234, you stated that muscle mass does not necessarily mean power. i am interested to know your comments on these findings and how, genetically the power of the muscles can be equal while mass is greater.

[McAvoy]

Increased Muscle mass does mean increased power. When you work out, not only are you trying to go faster and lift heavier objects, you are also trying to do it for longer periods of time. Naturally, more power, and heavier muscles.

Risker does have more muscle mass than Sho or even Agito, and is even heavier than both of them. However, on the flip side, if it's true that the Guyver units give the host's body the maximum that their bodies can attain, than Risker is closer to that absolute maximum than Sho or Agito are.

[*zeo]

Zeo1234, you stated that muscle mass does not necessarily mean power. i am interested to know your comments on these findings and how, genetically the power of the muscles can be equal while mass is greater.

Muscle mass is only one factor for muscle strength. There are physical factors and efficiency that must also be factored, such as body fat index and how well the body can deliver fuel to muscle tissue. Also whether or not the muscles have been conditioned to improve efficiency, whether or not there is a good balance between speed and stamina muscle types, etc. Not all muscles are equal.

I.E.> Apes, monkeys, etc have the same basic muscle tissue as humans but due to limb length and life long conditioning they are far stronger than us.

Weight lifting, martial arts, athletes, etc all have different ratios of muscle types. I.E.> A sprinter has different muscle type ratios than a marathon runner of equal muscle mass, etc.

For an extreme example as humans we can have a body like the Hulk and still only have the strength of about twenty men and we would weigh about as much as a rhino (think around 2 tons). While the Guyver gives a massive boost to physical strength with a relatively minimal increase in mass and size.

For my analysis I factored the way the human body works, mass to power ratio, speed and agility, the Bio-Boost process and how much the human body can handle, how the Guyver merges with and enhances the host, how quickly each Guyver could apply their physical strength (examples like how long it takes for a Guyver to crush a zoanoid's skull, etc), the differences between the known Guyver hosts, how well each Guyver performed in battle, and compared all that to how the Guyver would perform under 100x Norm versus 100 max potential.

Cardiovasculy there is no doubt the Guyver produces an equilizing factor since the host heart and lungs are replaced by the Guyver. This means the same amount of blood is pumped for each so the rate the muscles are fed would be about the same.

The only question comes in how the muscle and bone are enhanced. Simply saying they are genetically enhanced to be stronger does not tell us exactly how they are made stronger. If for example they are enhanced to channel the power of the Bio-Boost then they become conduits to the Guyver's power and are thus limited to how well the unit can regulate that power through the host and how well the host can handle the flow of power. The human body can only handle so much energy regardless of muscle mass so additional muscle mass under those conditions would not produce significantly greater strength.

If however the muscles and bones are enhanced to be denser and have a more durable molecular structure, which would be required to overcome the physical limitation of human bone and muscle tissue, then the Guyver would be a lot heavier than it is. Also remember that what ever is done is completely reversible since the host has no enhancement when the armor is not active.

Now scientifically it is possible to produce artificial muscles with 100x the equivalent muscle power of human muscle tissue of equal mass. But it would be composed of exotic materials like bucky tube based muscle wire alloy. This is basically equivalent to having diamonds for muscles. Now considering the human body is not composed of anything comparable aside from carbon, since we are carbon based lifeforms, then consider how the genetic enhancement would work without dramatically altering the way the host bone and muscle work?

Consequently there is no doubt in my mind that aside from any possible genetic advantages that the only significant difference between the Guyvers are their fighting ability, leverage, and will power. Though to make it clear I'm not saying host physical differences don't have an effect, only that IMO it would take a much more significant physical difference than that between G1 and G2 to produce a significant difference in strength.