Greatest Mecha

[Guest]

Ok, I have a challenge for you guys. What is the Greatest Mecha?

Now I know we have a difference in opinion here, so I want you to use statistics (Or as closes to as you think you can get.). I'm doing this for a couple of reasons: One, We've had what's you favorite Mecha topics before and Two, This will cut down on those numerous posts that are mostly opinion.

And I'm doing it to just be different. So, have fun people prove why we deserve to be Otaku's.

[Guest]

Anime News Network encyclopedia isn't up so I can't access the link to the official site for Zeorymer. Of course, it is in Japanese. I define Mecha seperately from Power Armor which does affect my choice.

Mine are:

Greatest (unique) Mecha: Zeorymer

Has teleportation capacity, mass destruction capacity, shields, and is piloted by a regular Jekyl/Hyde. The Hyde version who wanted to turn Earth into a land of the dead and has taken measures to actually suceed.

Close second was Exxaxion, but it seems sort of clutzy and more of a giant mobile weapons emplacement.

Greatest mass produceable Mech: VF-22S Sturmvogel II

Load with reaction warheads and it's very hard to match firepower. One is supposed to have devestated half a planet but as I don't have Macross 7 can't confirm that. It's very fast compared to many mechs and very adaptable.

Prototype

Production Model

[Guest]

1st Greatest Mecha: Wing Gundam Zero OVA

Abilities: Has the ability to know all availible actions it can preform in battle, can show the pilot's death so the pilot knows what NOT to do, has the Twin Beam Buster Rifle, and in some cases reveal the pilot's future in battle.

Draw Backs: If the pilot can't handle the Zero System, then the pilot can go insane or die a brutal death.

2nd Greatest Mecha: Gundam Deathscythe Hell OVA

Nickname: God of Death

Abilities: Has the Ability to cloack so the naked eye cannot see or get a lock onto it, it's Hyper Jammers disable all radar, thermo, and sonar equipment so other Mechas cannot get a lock onto the GDH.

Draw Backs: The reaction time is too fast for a normal person.

[Matt Bellamy]

1st Greatest Mecha: Wing Gundam Zero OVA

Abilities: Has the ability to know all availible actions it can preform in battle, can show the pilot's death so the pilot knows what NOT to do, has the Twin Beam Buster Rifle, and in some cases reveal the pilot's future in battle.

Draw Backs: If the pilot can't handle the Zero System, then the pilot can go insane or die a brutal death.

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Actually, the Wing Zero from the TV series would be considered supierior, as it can transform, and as well, regulate the power of it's Twin Buster Rifles. But then again, that's just my opinion.

As for the Zero system... that can be equipped in ANY Gundam Wing mecha. Remember, Epyon had the similar system, and Sandrock has it as well ( and Quatre mastered it as well)

As for me, it's FAR too hard to say what the "Greatest" mecha is. "Greatest" can mean any number of things, from most powerful, to greatest looking.

I mean, if we were going by most powerful? Ideon. Ideon can wipe out a SOLAR SYSTEM with it's big attack.

If we're going by best looking? That's purely personal opinion. I would choose MBF-02 Astray Red Frame with it's Flight pack. ( especially after just watching the 5 minute MSV animated promo movie with it... damn it rocks. )

[Guest]

I was talking about the television verson. That's why I didn't put "Custom" in the name instead of "OVA".

[Guest]

Ideon? Now that's a mech I've only heard about, but I'll definitely concede on its firepower advantage. link

I definitely agree with Matt's assessment that you can't exactly define the "greatest" mech without more specific specifications. Does mass production capacity gain points for a design because you can have more of them? If so I dare say Advanced Variable Fighters take it.

Do we count nanomachine tricks like the Moonlight Butterfly or the Devil Gundams assimilation ability? Are we working on the under 50m Mechs ability to fight mech to mech? In which case AVFs (VF-19/VF-22) would be kicking butt on all but the most uber Gundams. Think I'm just being a Macross fanboy? From here which is considered as close to canon as you get.

Two Shinnakasu Heavy Industry/P&W/Roice FF-2001 thermonuclear reaction turbine engines (with thermonuclear reactor and MHD), each rated at 11500 kg [x g] class (23000 kg [x g] in overboost) and 650 MW in generation power.

Most Gundams I've seen have single digit MW reactors and I can recall none that have the equivalent of 1,300 MW and that's a VF-1. Then they're is that little thing on speed and maneuverability.

[Guest]

Sorry for not being more specific. I'm not saying to exclude anything, Guyvers, Cyborgs, Gundams, Veritechs, Nanites, Evas, Ect. Just give statistics on why you think, Your Mecha of choice, deserves to be the greatest based on statistics and possible outcomes.

[Guest]

Just the greatest, with no specifications on that? Might as well stir up a debate on where the VF-19 or the VF-22 is better while you?re at it (neither is really superior they?re just better then each other in certain areas).

I?d say the greatest PA/Mecha for kicking butt is a late model Moldiver unit. Not time limit, for all intents and purposes you are invulnerable as you can choose how much you interact with the universe, and ridiculously fast. Plus if you could the interface just right you could control what outward appearance you show. I dare say even Ideon, the Devil Gundam, and the Turn-A Gundams would be for all intents in purposes have the chance of a snowball in hell against a competent user of a Moldiver unit. Someone able to get inside the mech, Moldivers have shown more then once the ability to pass through solid matter without interacting with it at all, and pummel the pilot with little difficulty can do that. Small size would also make it very hard to hit.

For just general use probably a bio-booster armor because of its ability to keep you alive, theoretically anyway.

And you wondered why I had this nutty idea of a Mol-Guyver, didn?t you?

Genocyber would be something you wouldn?t want to mess with. It is an evil psycho superpowerful psychic thing with the only good thing being it seems to be planet bound. What it can due with pure psychic force is flat out scary. Forget Akira you need someone like Archanfel to take that thing down.

If including non-anime I?ve heard of something called the Shrike from Hyperion, which is supposed to be rather deadly.

For realism probably Patlabor mecha are the best in the realism department. MADOX and the APD equipment in 2032 are close competitors.

[xtro guyver]

Can't belive no ones mentioned the orbital frames from Zone of the enders anime?game series, as they are capble of compressing space for a varity of effects, like weapons storage and teleporting, not to mention the imprese speed and manvablity thay have.

Though I do have to agree with FOG3 on how deadly a well used molediver can be

[nidhogg]

Going out on a limb here, but I'll say its Heavy Arms Ki.

Second I'll say Devil gundam( dark gundam state side) or Epyon.

[daveblackeye152]

I think most of the Mecha from Macross/Robotech (1st generation). But at the top are the Veratech/Valkerie fighters and the SDF-1 in it's human-laser-gun-fighting mode. Macross is a classic!

[Raven]

I have to agree with Xtro. The orbital frames are my favorite Mechs, for the same reasons he mentioned .... and I just like their design a lot. Although I have to admit, the first time I saw Jehuty I couldn't help but laugh with the location of the ****pit . It seemed a bit inappropriate at first ( or maybe my mind was just in the gutter )

As for a non-tech Mech, the Guyver of course. Don't think I have to explain why

[Guest]

Gundams:

Pro- State of the Art mass production Mecha prototype, newtype pilot or Zero system or mobile trace system, heavy weaponry, Short range manuverability.

Con-Ammunition, Newtype pilot or Zero system, Fuel

Veritech's / Valkries:

Pro-Speed, mass produced, Mode versatility, manuverability, size, Shields (Varies with model)

Con-Weaponry, ammunition, control interface, pilot training and instinct, armor, fuel

Orbital frames:

Pros-Speed, manuverability, size, pilot-computer interface

Cons-Weaponry, armor, Pilot-Computer interface, ammunition

Guyvers:

Pros:Speed, manuverability, size, weaponry, host-unit interface, sensory detection, strength, healing, activation blast field

Cons:Bio-energy usage, host, affected by pilot psycology, activation blast field

Evangelions:

Pros:Speed, manuverability, weaponry, Host-unit interface, regeneration, strength, AT Field, S2 Engine (Units 1, 3, & 5-13), berserker tendancies

Cons:Size, Umbilical cable, Berserker tendancies

This is very generalized statistics of the above mecha units.

[Guest]

i dont think many ppl are familiar with it, but on the psx game 'xenogears' there's a variety of mechs that i think would give some of those other's u guys mentioned a run for their money, such as weltall-id, the seraph gears, and the xenogears himself...even though most of them are damn near bear handed i think they'll still beat out all of those weapons with the use other ether(ki, magic, whatever you want to call it) with like that ideon character is an infinite source of energy...

[*Jess♥]

I gotta say the guyver would kick serious tail out of any of these!

firstly it is too small for any big robots to lock on to it.

secondly the guyver has the mass destructive power of the megasmasher!

thirdly the guyver only has to smash into the ****pit and the pilot hasn't got a chance!

lastly this is a guyver message board and i would be a traitor if i didnt say guyver was the best!!!

of course i don't know an awful lot about the gundams or the xenogears so if i made a mistake feel free to yell at me!

[Celestial]

I would say any of the Big series Megadues', Raxephon, and if it can be considered a mecha: any of the SDF Macross.