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What real weaponry do think the Guyver armor could stand?
zeo replied to LordSpleach's topic in Philosophy
Dragon Skin Body Armor is pretty impressive, despite the controversy over its development and the fact the military decided not to use it (mostly because of politics, which they justified by the early poor results that ignored the later model's improvements). However the performance of this armor would still be poor in comparison to the Guyver's, even standard zoanoids have shown that at least most like Gregole can withstand 7.62x51mm NATO rounds (as demonstrated on X-Day). So the Dragon Skin Armor is more in line with Zoanoid level durability, though a human soldier can still get knocked down and suffer internal injuries (stopping the round doesn't stop the impact force) while zoanoids are pretty much impervious unless hit with even more powerful firepower. I would probably say you'd need a (12.7x99mm NATO) or .50 BMG round (the type used in sniper riffles that can hit targets up to a mile and a half away), especially the incindiary or H.E. type to overcome zoanoid body armor. Though hyper zoanoids are much more durable and can take small artillary fire. Considering it usually takes Hypers to damage Guyvers, or something specialized like Enzymes, that we can pretty much say a Guyver is also in a similar durability range as the Hypers. In other words a Guyver is tougher than an Ambram's tank Uber tough compared to human body armor but not indestructable. For example there's the sonic blasts that G1 withstood in the new anime that were stated that they could shatter steel, and G1 withstood multiple strikes that only succeeded in knocking him around. We also have the time G1 has withstood Darzerb's enhanced Napalm Breath, which is rated at 3900 degrees, which would liquidate and even vaporize most materials, even granite turns to slag at 3700 degrees and the Dragon Skin armor wouldn't protect against that kind of heat. But the Guyver can just walk through it unharmed, even the Guyver head beam that has been seen slicing through steel I-Beams with ease can not burn through the armor. It'll take high explosives just to break off the Guyver Sords and all that is not even counting the Guyver's ability to regenerate. -
Officially unknown, since we really haven't been able to test it out yet, but the general concensus among physicists is that anti-matter should behave the same way as regular matter, since both are still basically positive energy and just have opposite quantum spin. Unlike negative energy, which would then have the opposite effect to normal matter. Anti-matter is still positive energy! And yes LordSpleach, the same mechanism that would allow a particle beam system to charge up (like magnetic field containment or a gravity based system) would work equally well with anti-matter particles. Though the containment would have to be 100% to avoid accidental interaction of anti-particles with the Guyver's mass, but otherwise the idea works just fine. However, there is still the issue that matter and anti-matter will annihilate each other and convert into raw energy, even limiting it to something like anti-protons should make the target explode quite spectacularly. But yes, if we limit ourselves to 100+ Mega Watts of energy then it's one of the few ways you could still instantly vaporize a whole bunch of Zoanoids all at once and still have plenty of energy left over, you'll just be using some of the target mass to make up for the energy needed. Come to think of it though this kinda works for the OAV "Out of Control" version, basically converting target mass into radiation and destroying mainly organic matter (like a neutron bomb effect). . . Maybe it was one of the original concepts they played with? The alternative is the idea Ryuki inadvertedly suggested that the 100+ Mega Watts is just for particle generation and the act of firing amplifies the charge by a significant amount. Basically equivalent of saying a bullet has a set mass you put into place and that firing it adds the energy needed for it to do its intended work. This idea I think works best and is supported by the Gigantic, who uses the Gravity Control Orbs embedded into the chest plates to boost the beams output power. Similarly the standard Guyver could be using gravitational energy for the beam acceleration, though not as efficiently or as effectively with only one gravity control orb, and thus granting the needed energy to turn the beam into something capable of vaporizing whole sale. After all accelerating any particle of even the tiniest mass to anywhere near the speed of light will impart an enormous amount of energy to that particle and greatly amplify the destructive power the system can produce.
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An interesting idea Larz Zahn, it would be like firing a beam of anti-matter particles. Like an Anti-Proton particle beam blast to manage that much destruction with just 100+ Mega Watts of energy/particles. So possible but would result in a lot of radiation and targets would essentially explode instead of just getting blasted away. Similarly other exotic matter could pull it off but would similarly have effects that would rule them out, since those effects aren't seen (like black hole or certain dooms day scenario exotic particles that would destroy the entire universe). As for how long it would take 100+ Mega Watts to vaporize a human being, going by the laws of thermodynamics, a lot longer than 5 seconds. The extreme example I gave for 504 MW was if we could somehow transfer the energy directly into the body of the target mass at 100% efficiency, which isn't possible in real world reactions (unless you first flatten the target to one atom thick and then apply energy evenly across the entire surface), that you could get away with just over 5 times the stated energy. Add, all that energy is just for 1 single human target of just 100 kg. Most zoanoids weigh much more and being designed to survive nukes (at least if they can avoid the main blast) that they probably deflect more heat energy than a human would and thus would require much more energy to destroy just one, let a lone an entire army lined up in a row with such ease that the beam can still be seen going off into the horizon when it is done. Actually, I would probably have put the 100+ Mega Watts figure to the head beam if it wasn't specifically mentioned for the Mega Smashers. Since that much energy is plenty good for slicing/burning, just not good for whole sale vaporizing. Just look at other well thought out sci-fi characters, like say IRONMAN. The Arc Reactor produces over 3 Giga Watts in its first form (that's over 3 thousand Mega Watts) and 4 times that in its second final form. Yet none of his weapons are comparable to the Guyver's Mega Smashers.
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Well lets clarify a few things first as there seems to be some confusion on a few points here... 1) Heat is Kinetic Energy, when you heat something you are increasing its kinetic energy as the molecules vibrate at a higher rate. 2) A particle beam weapon is both kinetic and raw energy. The Smasher beams are essentially plasma, which is why Neo ZX-Tole could shield himself with an EM shield arc. 3) That 5 kilo ton bomb needs to hit the silo door point blank in order to vaporize it, meaning nearly all of its energy is needed to vaporize the door. This supports that the Mega Smashers have to be in the atomic power range to do what they do. The Hiroshima bomb didn't vaporize the marble, it only melted it, which means the energy intensity was far less since it was spread over a wider area and thus even though it was between 10 to 15 kilo tons it would not vaporize the same door the 5 kilo ton bomb can unless it too blew up right on top of it. 4) Water/Humans aren't as easy to vaporize as you're thinking. Though on the surface I can see why you would think so. Since the melting point of granite is approximately 3100 F, and though this is far higher than the normal heat of vaporization temperature for water but to instantly vaporize even a single human you need far more energy because water doesn't vaporize instantly at its heat of vaporization. Like the reason a burn victim doesn't have cooked organs is because water doesn't conduct heat that quickly. So most of the burn damage occurs on the surface area before it can reach the internals. Even when you boil water, only the surface area gets converted to steam. So you really need an enormous amount of energy to instantly convert all the water to steam. For comparison lets take coal, it has more energy per gram than say TNT, but TNT releases its energy more quickly and thus seems more powerful even though coal has more total energy. This is similarly true with water, with its high specific heat capacity (Water has the second highest specific heat capacity of any known chemical compound, after ammonia) it takes a fair amount of energy to heat water to the point it will reach the heat of vaporization (which is just its steam state). Other materials don't have water's high specific heat capacity and so they take less energy to heat up. So even though water has a lower heat of vaporization, to get it to that point usually takes a set amount of time and even then you aren't instantly turning the entire mass into steam. It's more like melting as only the surface layer turns into steam. And that is just at sea level, at higher pressures you need even more energy. For example water at the bottom of the sea can reach several hundred degrees and still remain liquid. Meaning a kinetic weapon would have a harder time turning water into steam as it would increase pressure and thus raise the specific heat of vaporization, thus requiring even more energy to reach that point. So this brings me up to my final point... 5) You really need to turn matter into plasma in order to instantly vaporize it and leave nothing behind, not to mention all the other elements in the body. So to turn water into plasma we are talking about temperatures that start at about 12,000 degrees K (11,726.85 degrees Celsius). But again time scale is important, the faster this happens the more energy you will need and then you have to account for all possible mass the Mega Smashers may be capable of vaporizing. Things like Aptom's arm just being outside the beam and surviving is also testament to how fast this occurs, since no heat has time to cook the arm. For a Star Wars comparison it's like a light saber lopping off a limb, at plasma intensity this can be done and not effect anything but the target mass. In comparison, if you really want to know 100+ Mega Watts woundn't instantly vaporize much of anything except bugs, and maybe a really small mouse, while a human would become badly burnt but not vaporized. Though if delivered as kinetic energy you could really make a mess but there would still be a body left afterward. Even if you could use that energy to directly heat every molecule in a person's body at 100% efficiency, say 100 kg person, it will take about 504 Megawatts just to turn a single person into steam. Really, 100 Mega Watts converts to say about 24 kg (~53 pounds) of TNT, but you need hundreds to thousands of tons of TNT to take down a typical skyscraper (without focusing the energy to the building's weak points like they do in modern demolitions) and each Mega Smasher cell is said to be capable of easily that level of damage. Look at the recent example of the new Female Guyver when she used her Smashers, she went through a lot more than 30 feet of metal and concrete, not to mention a whole bunch of zoanoids, before that beam blew out and into the air, which means even after doing all that damage there was still a hell of a lot of energy left in the beam.
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Actually the calculations I did showed me that for the energy of an atomic bomb directed in one direction would produce the same sort of damage as the mega smashers are shown doing. I'm well aware a normal bomb sends the energy in all direction but the energy to actually vaporize matter is quite high. Higher than most people realize, for example the Hiroshima blast didn't actually vaporize anyone. They were just mostly cremated and the blast exposure was longer than the compared duration of a Mega Smasher as well. Just the latent heat of vaporization energy is quite significant. For example 1 gram of water at boiling temperature needs 540 Calories (2259.36 Joules) to turn into steam (this is not counting the energy needed to bring the water to the boiling point in the first place). This means, ignoring the energy needed to reach the boiling point, if we take 100 Mega Watts of energy that we would barely have enough energy to vaporize a human of about 98 pounds (44.4 kg), who just happens to already be at the boiling point of water. Just for perspective a human has a average internal body temp of 98.6 F (37 C), you need 1 calorie to raise 1 gram of water by 1 C. So you need about 63 calories to raise 1 gram of the mostly water human body to boiling point, or 263.592 joules per gram, which means for the same 98 pound mass we would waste 11,703,484.8 joules (or watts) just to heat that mass up to the boiling point. Or about 11% of the stated 100 Mega Watts, and it would be even more for the average human who has more mass than this example. Add these numbers together (boiling and vaporization) and you can see how the energy needed to vaporize even a small army of zoanoids, each of who has more mass than a normal human, quickly adds up to an enormous energy requirement. Then add all the collateral damage to the surroundings, like the trenches usually left by the beam along the ground, etc and the energy requirements go even higher. All that is not even counting energy lost as heat and light to the atmosphere and you'll need even more energy to break down molecules into individual atoms to remove all traces of the target mass. Additionally the time frame is important, as the new anime showed in that outside of the building scene the duration of the Mega Smasher isn't very long, which means a lot of energy concentrated in a very small period of time. The amount of energy you need goes up the quicker you want these effects to happen. For example the scene in which G1 vaporizes that bullet in mid-air would require about a 1 ton of TNT worth of energy just to pull that off and vaporize the bullet before it could reach Tetsuro. Of course it would take less energy over time but the quicker the effect the higher the energy intensity needed. (This part actually addresses your last point, at these extreme energy intensities heat energy doesn't have time to spread and thus the damage is mostly isolated to the target mass, since heat needs time to spread) So you see I don't make the comparison lightly, I've calculated the likely total energy and just used the atomic bomb for comparison so people have a better idea of just how much energy I'm talking about.
