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Kero gets pissed off more with Ryotaros than Wataru[despite my personal displeasure]. Ryotaro's imagin personalities can drive anyone crazy. Okay we also need like say what does Daishocker want with our Riders. If they had nothing to do with them why do they keep them alive or torture them?

OK.... so I suppose Kero and Neos might not tolerate Wataru's timidness or Ryotaro's split personalities at first. Maybe they are in the same cell? Ha ha ha

Decade and kiva is also one big offender right? If I was a good writer, I would put that the Zanbat drive Wataru crazy for while and he has to use his own will to control its power.

Ok Edited Hope to see Chpt 3 soon! EP.1.doc

No problem.... But one thing is I might need help is how each Rider might react in some circumstances. Like say Kero will not tolerate Wataru for he said he cannot fight without Kivat.

I think according to Spectre it was KR Black. He did destroy many opponents without resorting to a deus ex machima. He even went up against Golgom without a single final form! As for a Heisei example, Ryuki and Blade seem to rely on whatever strategy[ "smart"], their power ups are a much later event. Faiz is a little guilty of Deus Ex Machima[DEM] but then the thing is he seems to be able to destroy most foes without much of a help. I am not sure of Hibiki though. But Kabuto is indeed guilty of making DEM more prominent.

Ok I just wanna add something. Once you are done with Shadow no Sekai or Neos. I would like to add a little sneak preview of the situation of our Riders. Like say for example, Shadows is being questioned and tortured by Daishocker. Kero is in prison with Wataru and Ryotaros. This is the prelude to the escape of our Riders.

Precisely, I mean it makes the hero less heroic. As a writer myself, deus ex machina said to be taboo "In fiction writing, the phrase has been extended to refer to a suddenand unexpected resolution to a seemingly intractable problem in aplot-line, or what might be called an "Oh, by the way..." ending.[14] A deus ex machina is generally undesirable in writing and often implies a lack of skill on the part of the author........................." Wikipedia

The next Riders is Neos And the third is ANT. So did you create a boss for Shadow?<br>

Actually the only series I find pricking my eyes is Den-O, Kiva and Decade. I support the Riders before Den-O basically. So saying that I protect the Showa Riders is a totally wrong statement. Kamen Rider Black was only a recent add to my collection. But that's becos Tiga introduced me to the series. But I have to say that Black and RX has the "Rider" in Kamen Rider. Just as Kuuga, Agito, Ryuki, Faiz, Blade had. This is something that's missing in Den-O and Kiva in this aspect. Decade managed to redeem itself but at the final episodes. I am really sorry if I have stepped on anyone's toes. But you have to admit that there is something missing in our Riders today. I always feel that something is missing whenever I watch the newer Riders, but I cannot find the right words to describe. It's just that it doesn't feel "Rider", anyone has felt the same thing?

Not just Wataru but also other characters in Rider. I think it's the story problem. And in execution wise, the newer Riders seem to be heavily dependant on some power up falling from the sky. Anyone disagrees? Also we have a bunch of useless character that do not contribute to any story development

But just to add to the subject, fantasy heroes have portrayed many aspects of morality at some point or maybe even they represent a force of justice that is non existent in reality. Like say Batman to me appears like that force of justice that people at the lower gutters of society dreamed about. Possibly some people who are living in fear from the mafia or loansharks would find Batman appealing as a role model. But whether his actions are right is debatable. Superman is represents a lot of thing too many aspects to be listed. How different as these western heroes from Japanese heroes? Actually not really quite different in fact they are similar is many ways. Every boy or girl needs some kind role model to look up to in childhood. With fairy tales lost their grip in life, what else other than these fictional heroes or more to make the mental lives less empty. And it cannot be the J-dramas that are just merchandises to promote some actor or actress's career.

Exactly, my point durendal. So you understand why I hated Wataru? It wasn't just the show. And if Kiva was really mimicking Japanese people in real life, are they implying that Japanese people are starting to become "otakus". I dun think a Japanese would love to hear that if it was a derogatory term. And about the role model subject, I was thinking on the common phrase I always hear in HJU or Rangerboard, saying "this is a kid's show". So if this is a kid's show... and you make bad examples. What makes you think that the kids won't follow their idols? I read this book on emotional intelligence is that most children will follow their parents at a certain age but they will start to mimic others at a later stage.

I see Well, I am sorry. Becos Kiva's character evoked the past that I do not wish to rake up so I am a little well negative especially after the part Wataru went otaku again after Bishop unleashed his other side and then his way of changing the timeline by going back in time only made me more upset. Back about 6-7 years ago I would find Wataru quite similar to me. But now I find Wataru just a coward and perhaps repulsive. Ok now back to this debate, Actually the showa/heisei comparision is wrong. The problem with Pre Kabuto or Post Kabuto Riders is not about whether the characters are manly or girly. Or whether he is a recluse or the archtypal heroes that we all grew up knowing. But how the show is executed. Just as durendal mentioned for Kiva, thank you. I think the problem is the execution of the story or script. And also maybe Inoue should really take a break from Rider. I dunno how to say this exactly, the execution of the show is sliding in terms of quality. Execution could meant the story writing, character development .etc I dunno how to describe this exactly.......

Unrealistic but they at least are role models all of us including kids can look up to. It's like some people with religion look up to their gods who are in a point of view "unrealistic" as so to speak.Wataru is not the best role model to look up to. I have heard from JHA that the Japanese look at otakus aka recluse just the same attitude as we normal social people would see a person with leprosy as so to speak. So is the show going to tell the audience that being an otaku with no social skills or being a tortoise is alright? So if the show are reflecting on real people, are they trying to tellus that Japanese people are recluse, shy people who refuse to face reality? It reflects kinda badly on them. Sorry Ryuki this is just my thoughts. When I was much younger, I was pretty much born a otaku with bad social skills and becos I suck so badly, I just shy away from the populace. Then after seeing some life's events, I started to realise that I had to emerge. I can go back into my shell but I have to face reality even if it sucks. So to me, Wataru by going back in time not just messes with quantum physics but also portrays his mental weakness. So what if his father manages to get into his thick skull, he hasn't changed till the ending. The fact is he went back in time to change things. So now it's like instead of changing yourself to suit the world, you change the world to suit you which is totally "unrealistic".

Well but I still think Wataru is the biggest coward. Becos none of the 9 Riders despite loss of a character they cared about, went back in time to change things. Not even Ryotaros even though he had the proper equipment had tempted to go back in time and change things. Other took it as a normal person would. Time space equilibrium stuff is a whole other subject but even though most of us do not understand it but common sense will tell you that changing the past can alter the present in ways that you cannot predict. Example: If I go back in time and kill like say some dictator.etc like say Myanmar's leaders before they could be born. And I come back to the present, the outcome would be like branches of a mind map or the evolutionary paths of a lifeform. Most likely the outcome either is good, similar or worse. Maybe Aung Sang Suki's party won and Myanmar becomes a republic.etc etc. Or maybe even opposite, Aung Sang Suki gets assasinated and then Myanmar is plunged into civil war. Or it could be just as worse as today but except the current leaders of today would not be playing the roles they are playing now. So one has to take time issue very seriously. In other words, Wataru takes time travelling too lightly. Shows how immature and foolish and in a way cowardly he was as a person. A person in real life would cry and whine or break down for a while. If the person strong however, he/she will eventually stop whining and move on.

Yeah Tsukasa has matured which is a good thing too. This should seperate him from Wataru or Ryotaro. At least he didn't run away from his problems.

Actually I find the Showa and Heisei debate a poor way to describe this debate. I still find that the Riders b4 Kabuto and Riders after Kabuto a better way to describe. Some even say before Hibiki. Most of my friends agree that the Heisei riders before Kabuto or Den-O were at least some watchable as Spectre said. The story flows alright and is pretty more or less well written. The characters make you care for them as an audience. Sorta like you feel some like you want to see what Takumi is going to do next but when you ask them about Ryotaro's one feels the urge to slap him and tell him "GROW SOME BALLS DAMN IT!"

So that's why we need lycantrope's opinions if possible the opinions of his friends.

Actually to me, some of the Heisei Riders' manliness do not come from the looks but from the heart. Kuuga, Agito, Faiz, Blade and Hibiki were some of the more manly Riders in the Heisei Era. Ryuki's manliness is more inclined to that of Peter Parker in my opinion, kinda having internal conflicts. Kabuto is where that man or Rider we used to knew began to disappear and Den-O and beyond is where the rift in the fans began to widen. But anyway thanks for the opinions from this japanese fan, I think do tell him we need more opinions from his fellow fans if possible becos the overseas fans are really really fighting out loud in forums. And the rift is pretty serious I think.

I see.. Spectre and I will be quite busy in the beginning of Sept. Spectre is having exams and I am having some other duties at work.

Maybe he write in Japanese and then Durendal translate for us? Sorry Durendal

Well wikipedia no matter what language can be a little bit false. But if it was copied from the Japanese newspaper then I think this should be the truth. But then again now I look at the older riders I think I get the idea how do manly guys look at girly guys; with a bit of disgust. Ryuki looks a bit like the J-drama idols but I think he still is manly. Sorta like Spiderman with some internal angst going on. and I do not need to elaborate on Ryotaros or Wataru.

Actually I would not be surprised. If you seen how masculine looking the older Riders are compared with the girly guys of today. In my opinion, the older Riders were "men" compared with the boys of today If he dislikes Ryuki. I have no idea how he will look at Den-O.

Thank Ryuki, Hopefully he can get other Japanese fans too to answer those questions sorta like a poll or something. Then we can make fair and objective conclusions on why is Kamen Rider now is such a state.