Test Subject Zoanoids

[Guest Jupiter]

Man, zoalord mind control is complicated stuff. One can drive oneself crazy thinking about how it works. I guess anything is possible in the world of Yoshiki Takaya. As many zoalords as there are in the Guyver, you'd think Yoshiki wants to be one himself,lol.

[Larz Zahn]

Ok i looked it up. I'm using the viz volumes, so the translation may be a little faulty.

On page 136 Aptom is talking to Balcus thru Elegen. He says that all lost numbers are hard to mind trace. And thanks to Balcus reoptimizing aptom that last time, Aptom cab no longer be tracked. That's why he wore that headset.

On page 138. Aptom then tells Balcus that he's been freed on the Zoalords control. And Balcus never knew it before hand.

So my theory.

I think that the zoanoids ability to receive the telepathy and be tracked by a Zoalord is a different process and device than a zoanoids genetically engineered loyalty to s Zoalord.

What ever Balcus did to Aptom that last time, it erased that genetic code of complete loyalty.

Anyway, that's my theory. (be gentle when ripping it to shreds! Haha!)

Edited May 18, 2014 by Larz Zahn

[*Chernaudi]

Obviously, that processing messed up something.  As a lost number, Aptom already had some resistance to Zoalord control, and Barcas' reprocessing finished the job.  So the mind control was somewhat faulty from the start, and Barcas unintentionally erased it completely.

[Larz Zahn]

I just want to let it be known, that Aptom only said that lost numbers were hard to track. Not control. Page 136. Lol.

[*Chernaudi]

However, Barcas failed to control Aptom and has been unable to control him since then.  Purgstall also said that Neo ZX-Tole was uncontrollable and hard to track as well.

[Larz Zahn]

This is true. Neo extole was converted into a lost number. But was only difficult to control and to track. Only when he got into the thick of battle and over emotional... Um... Berserk, if you will, did he have trouble getting thru to Neo extole. The same thing happened to genzo when he fought Guyver one. He totally lost it.

[*V Guyver]

Didn't stop Genzo from being commanded to spontaneously combust. XD

[Larz Zahn]

Kerboom! Kersplat!! Pop... Fizzle... Sizzle....

Ok, so i was reading the volumes over. I got a traveling time from the school to relics point. 3 hours. Rough estimate, heres why.

In the second volume, Revenge of Chronus (viz) Aptom picked up Agito from school to take him to relics point.

The car pulled over long enough to drop off Aptom and Dyme then continued on its way.

At relics point, while Guyver 1 and Aptom are fighting, a cronus soldier reports that the Segawas and shos dad are on their way. And as for Agito, i quote. "and master Agito should arrive in about 3 hours."

Sorry for keep bringing this up. I just found it interesting we had an actual accounting for the time it takes.

Edited May 23, 2014 by Larz Zahn

[*Jess♥]

thanks for posting it

that is really useful. it does correlate with the distance between the likely real life counterparts.

[Larz Zahn]

No prob. Glad to help, besides. I'm a sucker for small details.

[Guest Jupiter]

Can Prototype Zoalords, or test types be completely controlled by Zoalords? I don't understand why Barcas or Richard Guyot didn't freeze Murakami or make him turn on the Guyver's early on in the anime and manga. But when Murakami and Guyot were fighting, Guyot was able to subdue him for only a moment before Murakami resisted and fought back. I also am curious as of why Murakami has the gravity orbs on his body. Its not like he had the energy use them to summon a Quasi Black Hole from when he was a prototype.Not like Guyot did.

 

                                                              

[*V Guyver]

No they can't be controlled. The only reason Guyot managed to even subdue or restrain Murikami was due to them sharing a similar zoacrystal. Other than that, no Zoalord can control a Proto-Zoalord, let alone another Zoalord. It's not that Cronos does have the option to change that, but they never planned for Proto-Zoalords to rebel. They had a short life span and were test units for the real thing, they had to test the Proto-Zoalords to see if their crystals really work, so that they can produce the real thing. 

The only exception to all of the above is Alky's and Imakirum's unique relationship. In that case, those two are in constant contact. It's as if they are two half's of the same person, Imakirum is nothing more than an extension of Alky's. At least that was the intent, lately it was shown that even he had doubts about his own actions, though that was only because Alky was knocked out. 

[Larz Zahn]

As for the gravity points, it was a design thing. He was the prototype for Guyot, so he has similar design features. But no where the near the power. Honestly, neither used the others techniques until he became mirabilis.

[Guest Jupiter]

As for the gravity points, it was a design thing. He was the prototype for Guyot, so he has similar design features. But no where the near the power. Honestly, neither used the others techniques until he became mirabilis.

So if Murakami had a stronger dummy crystal could it have been possible to have launched his gravity points even as a prototype?

[*V Guyver]

As for the gravity points, it was a design thing. He was the prototype for Guyot, so he has similar design features. But no where the near the power. Honestly, neither used the others techniques until he became mirabilis.

So if Murakami had a stronger dummy crystal could it have been possible to have launched his gravity points even as a prototype?

That's debatable, he has a very few number of gravity orbs, but they only seem capable of a few attacks. If his power increased, it might not of allowed him to shoot it. But then again, we don't know they already had the function but he couldn't use them from lack of power or the effect it would have on his body. His new form as more gravity orbs than before and that seems to be part of the reason he can launch those new attacks. 

[*Jess♥]

are they gravity orbs?

how do we know?

[Guest Jupiter]

are they gravity orbs?

how do we know?

 

I was only guessing they were gravity points because Richard has them on him too, he used them on Alky.

But they could just be there for looks and be a harmless design. But I'm with you on your comment. 

 

There can't be any way to know for sure, I guess. It is a curious thing though.

[*Jess♥]

it would be interesting to think about. we see similar orbs on other zoalords.

what do the various orbs do? what is their main function or mechanism?

Is it possibly that gravity points are in any way related to some zoalords ability to levitate?

[Larz Zahn]

Ryuki, were you asking if they were orbs in response to V's reference to them as gravity orbs? Or did you mean are they gravity points? Sorry i honestly couldn't tell. Lol.

I believe for shin his orbs were focus points for his biolasers, correct?

[*V Guyver]

I believe the orbs on each zoalord are different case by case. I'm betting (not entirely certain myself) with the likeness that Imarikum's are similar to Guyots because of how they've functioned in the past and the fact their powers are related.

It would be interesting if the other zoalords had some orbs for gravity, and others for their own specialty. For all we know, the orbs only enhance a certain power. 

What is certain is that the orbs augment Zoalords abilities. So there is a possibility that while Guyot's allowed him to summon intense gravity, others are entirely different. Guyot even  had the  often overlooked ability to sacrifice a few for a ranged attack, or several so he could actually exceed their normal functions in order to create Quasi-Black Holes. Since Imakirum did the same attacks, they likely share the function.
Others however might be different. I would not be surprised that in one Zoalord, the orbs are meant to regulate absorbed mass, another might have the orbs to better manipulate subspace, while another might have the orbs just so he can stabilize dimensional duplicates. It really depends on how they work, and we have't had a truly detailed study of each zoalord from the source (our admired mangaka) Well that's it, I can really add more to my theory on the matter. For all I know, those orbs could be zoalord body acne a far as the mangaka is concerned.  

[Larz Zahn]

That's a hard zit to hide... Glass/crystalline structure... Plus it glows!