So what would happen if the guyver universe was crossed with Kamen Rider or Sentai?

[Larz Zahn]

What I'm asking isn't a plot for a fanfiction, but rather the physical/visual/lethal portion.

Would the guyvers be relegated to sparks whenever they use their blades, or would the Rider's swords finally be able to slice and dice freely?

Would the enemy creatures actually kill something (kuuga nonwithstanding) and do ot without dancing around or waving their arms, or could human factions hold their own against zoanoids? (ex: kabuto, kiva, agito)

Would riders become capable killing machines? Could the enemy monsters kill anyhuman without the humans being thrown backwards and then getting up?

Think about it...

[*V Guyver]

That all depends entirely on the preference of the viewer. In My case I would elect Kame Rider to become as dangerous as the Guyver. So monsters are lethal, and the kamen Rider as well. Visual style, there would be less glowy, more practical special effects. Transformations are more split second instead of minutes long. I wouldn't mind the Guyver with a Motorcycle, not like he needs one considering how fast he is. 

I wouldn't mind some of the kamen Rider humor leaking over to Guyver either. Guyver lacks some jokes to balance it out a bit more. 

[Larz Zahn]

Huh... I didn't even consider the humor aspect. I will concede that some of the Toei riders had a higher threat level, a more serious overtone to it like Black and Black RX. That sorta slipped my mind too.

[*V Guyver]

Well, they are better martial artists that Sho and Agito. If they were made lethal, I can imagine the Guyver having trouble keeping up despite all his weapons and physically overpowered self compared to them. They are simply more efficient and brutal than the Guyvers. Though the Guyvers in the last 6 years have started catching up fast. 

[Larz Zahn]

I'm not sure I agree on the Kamen Riders being more brutal. I keep thinking of Sho in the ova where he literally ripped apart a Ramotithes with his hands. I can't imagine any riders topping that.

Edited July 19, 2013 by Larz Zahn

[LordSpleach]

Sho might need more training(though, he definitely gotten better with his strategies), and I'm sure Agito could hold his own if the Kamen Riders' and Guyvers' power was made equal.

[odin]

It all depends on the writer, to me Riders are capable killing machines when looking at it from a perspective of the showa series (showa riders started as killing machines for shocker), kabuto, decade and fourze, riders could easily take out zoanoids, as for the sentai world if anything has taught me is that by the time of Gobusters humans are capable of facing powerful monsters since their morphers and weapons are all made by human technology and not a mystical energy or magic. the problem with this type of crossover is that each series needs to be balanced in power appropriately and not make mistakes like it was done in superhero taisen. Guyvers have the advantage thanks to the HF blades and probably their megasmasher but still they would have a hard time against a rider specially if it is a Kabuto era rider cause they don't have the speed and some riders are as strong or stronger then a guyver physically and their reflexes and eyesight are the same, sentai have the advantage of bigger numbers and teamwork as well as having lots of gadgets and mechs.

Edited July 20, 2013 by odin

[Larz Zahn]

Ill give you the numbers for sentai but I'll raise you the exceed for the mechs.

I guess that's kinda what I'm getting at. If taisen is the name of a fighting game...

I played DC vs mortal combat and was a little disappointed that any one could hold there own against characters like superman, even flash or joker. It disappointed me even tho i know it has to be balanced.

Then i played the newest justice league game and owned doomsday with cat woman.

I can't help but think while i was in the midst of destroying the unkillable behemoth that this shouldn't even be a contest. cat woman would die, nasty bloody unrecognizably die.

But i was winning so i wasn't complaining too much!

And then i started comparing Guyver to those in the game then Guyver to the Kamen Riders, then the Guyver world to the Riders world.

To me it really seems that must of the Heisei monsters aren't... Brutal like the zoanoids.

Now i only seen Kamen Rider the first, the next and some of black rx. Haven't seen any other Toei rider shows so i don't know much of the monsters and how they act....

Let me see if i can simplify my thoughts...

If a rider monster is going to kill some one, there is some posturing, some slow advancement that usually leads to a chase then the monster attacks, not always killing the normal human in one hit.

A zoanoid? He shows up, kills them walks away.

So.... Monster: 40 second to a minute to kill.

Zoanoid: 5 seconds. Usually thru dismemberment out disembowelment.

Sorry for the wall of text.

Edited July 21, 2013 by Larz Zahn

[odin]

Ill give you the numbers for sentai but I'll raise you the exceed for the mechs.

I guess that's kinda what I'm getting at. If taisen is the name of a fighting game...

 

 

Super Hero Taisen is one of the most recent Toku movies where Riders and Sentai fight against each other with Decade and Marvelous in the center stage, a lot of riders got nerfed (powered downed) in order to make sentai look like they stood a chance specially Captain Marvelous, some scenarios did not even make sense and it was pretty much a disappointment, oh and Den-O keep being a plot device just because.

[Larz Zahn]

I know decade but who is captain marvelous?

[Darksenshi]

I know decade but who is captain marvelous?

Captain Marvelous is from Kaizoku Sentai Gokaiger.

Anyway I couldnt see the Guyver universe crossing over into the Sentai/Kamen Rider universe. For one Kamen Rider is too soft. Look at what their doing for 2014 a freakin Fruit Samurai Rider. Really?! I highly doubt a Kamen Rider or Sentai could even handle a Hyper Zoanoid.

Guyver 3 himself could destroy their entire universre alone. One megasmasher would take out a Rider.

Edited August 16, 2013 by Darksenshi

[Larz Zahn]

Hahaha!

NICE!

[*V Guyver]

I'm not sure I agree on the Kamen Riders being more brutal. I keep thinking of Sho in the ova where he literally ripped apart a Ramotithes with his hands. I can't imagine any riders topping that.

Don't get me worng, the Guyvers are brutal, against even more brutal Zoanoids. But look at the way Sho fights. It's realistic, but pretty hilarious when you realize how desperate he is! Actually, he's started out as being a desperate coward and later turning into a smart confident hero...

Now, kamen riders, they fight with martial arts, some have pretty generic abilities, others have some incredible gimmicks, some come remarkably close to being like exactly like Sho and Agito (looking at you Kamen Rider Ryuki)

Remember that warehouse fight with Sho vs the two Remotith? No skill, he powered through with superior abilities only. The second one got it's eyes poked out... Woah, Sho fought like Moe from the stooges at this point, and only managed to kill it via strangulation! Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk!

Frankly, early Sho was a terrible warrior. His fight against G2 showed just how bad he was in combat, and you can pretty much image some of the same from the Kamen Riders in terms of skill, even against Agito and Liskar. The Guyvers for the most part are far stronger than most Kamen Riders physically, and they are smarter. Heck, Show can outsmart most of the Kamen Riders... and he's technically an (lovable) teenage idiot. To be fair though, the Guyver's weapons are much more overkill while Kamen tend to be faster, agile and more flashy. It really depends on which interpretations you're willing to use. This is all just opinion and conjecture. 

[durendal]

Zoanoids against sentai?  Two words:  Squishy heel.

[Dampiel]

Funny thing, I recently watched Kamen Rider Agito, and couldn't help but see design similarities between Gills and Guyver. Also Kamen Rider Shin is pretty much a Zoanoid. As far as A Super Hero Taisen kind of match up yeah the Guyvers could take Riders and Super Sentai down pretty quickly, but most of the Zoanoids wouldn't last long against either a Rider or a Sentai

[*V Guyver]

Hypers would be an issue. Though I wonder, how strong is kamen Rider. We have some standard Zoanoids 10 times the strength of a human, but lots of the Riders I've seen can't even bend a metal rail Rod.