page: Guyver

[*Jess♥]

actually, I think the overview should technically have all pertinent information.

i tink that a brief description of guyver is suitable along with a brief description of other related things such as release info and somesuch.

I'm certainly not a fan of the way wikipedia gives an overview, I feel it is very cold and clinical and doesn't really draw people in.

of course, grammar adjustments are most welcome if you can find the time to do such a thing.

hey durendal, thanks for the assistance uploading these images. it is quite an arduous task.

[durendal]

wow, you guys have been very busy i see.

i've had a look around the guyver pages and im impressed!

the main guyver page seems to be quite engrish though, i'll go through it later if that's okay. Also the beginning paragraph, "guyver is a armour system that..." wouldn't that work better in the synopsis bit? the rest of the opening is more of an overview of the series.

We've actually managed to cover only the tip of the iceberg. There are still a lot of things that we have to do. So any edits you can do are surely welcome. Especially the "engrish" parts. Since I took them out of the Japanese wiki, information that is not available in any english page. I think this is the one advantage we have over wikipedia (although some information are copied from wikipedia). Not to mention that we also provide images to help readers visualize what they are reading.

What I'm actually doing is to try and arrange the layout of the entire guyver information into something more comprehensive and cohesive, and fill in some minor details that I can provide. But when in comes to content, I'm afraid that my resources are quite limited.

[durendal]

I was looking at the old database in the guyver.net and have based the zoanoids page on what was there. I actually copied the content with some of my own formatting. So I created a zoanoid pages categorizing them as Aqua type, aerial type, power type, bio-blaster type and guyver killer type. Now here is the question, on the old guyver.net page, in the power type category, I noticed that the zoanoids Bystoma and Eurenorm seems to be aqua type (as per written on the description). How do you think we should go about this? Do I regroup them with the aqua type, or do I just follow what was written in the guyver.net? Perhaps we should follow the vdf?

[*Jess♥]

I think we should keep it canonical actually. that is why in my original zoanoid page http://www.japan-legend.com/wiki/index.php?title=Zoaforms , I have not differentiated between any aqua or aerial types. because in the manga, it seems that they are not classified by land sea or air.

as such, I do not believe we ought to have subheadings for aqua, aerial, power or bio blaster. furthermore to add to the reasoning for this, any bioblaster could well be capable of flight, or water and could easily be just as strong as a ramotith etc.

the classifications in the manga that i have seen are as follows, zoanoid, hyper zoanoid, Lost Number and zoalord.

there is p.ad-hyper zoanoid. but there is only one of those that i have seen. a sort of lesser hyper zoanoid that was essentially a test type.

by the way, I think p.ad-hyper has been confused as powered hyper in the past due to the existence of powered zerbebuth..... however, I believe that powered zerbebuth is actually a hyper or a lost number just like neo-zxtole.

[durendal]

What about the classifications in the vdf? Do you think it would be alright if we follow the classifications indicated there? It's going to be a little bit messy if there is no sub categories for the zoanoids.

[*Jess♥]

i think that maybe we can loosely put them into the same categories used in that, but i think it must be clear that it is purely for organisational purposes and by no means should be considered canon.

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I think that perhaps we could use following headings..

"zoanoids suitable for long range"

"zoanoids suited to aquatic environments"

"zoanoids that have flight capability"

"zoanoids suited more to stealth type missions"

"zoanoids suited to straight melee"

or a variation on these headings. I think this makes it clear that they are non exclusive and not official.

I think the problem comes when somebody wants to find a specific zoanoid.

do you think we could do a separate page for each zoanoid, and use them like templates?

that way if somebody does a search for gelpess, they can go straight to a page that is just gelpess. then they can view what categories he belongs to etc.

[durendal]

Hmm... I can see where you are heading. But yes, I think we can work this out. Maybe we can list the zoanoids alphabetically and link them to the specific section of the zoanoids page. Or, we can arrange the zoanoids page alphabetically instead of per category. I can also use the free space to indicate the "suitable category" for the specific zoanoid.

But we should also consider people who don't know the names of the zoanoid. Perhaps they might be searching for a flying zoanoid that can force remove bioboosting. Was it karvi, Curry or bicker?

I do have a solution to satisfy both arguments. We simply create 2 pages. 1 page sorted by suitable category, while another page sorted alphabethically. I'm just not sure how you feel about repetition of content.

I like your suggestion of putting a single page for each zoanoid. But the problem will be the content. I'm not entirely sure what else to put there if we have an exclusive page for each zoanoid.

[*Jess♥]

I really don't think anything else would be required.

each page would simply be the zoanoid box that you have made for them.

if we have a noinclude on the page, we can put general links to relevant sections etc on that zoanoids page and then use the embedding technique to make separate pages for different arrangements.

so yes we could have two separate pages, but the pages are not technically repeating any information, they are just both drawing from the same sources.

am i making sense.. I am not sure how to explain well.

essentially it would be just like your navboxes.

an example of where we have used this is {{:Masked Rider Kiva List of Characters}} on http://japan-legend.com/wiki/index.php?title=Masked_Rider_Kiva#List_of_Characters

[durendal]

Ah, now I get it. Each zoanoid has it's own small page, but we have another page showing all the indivual zoanoids page in one single page.

I think a test should be in order. I want to learn to do this.

[durendal]

I've added a sample section in the zoanoids page (http://www.japan-legend.com/wiki/index.php?title=Zoanoid#Testing_Purposes) using the Enzymes as subjects. I've given them a class of Anti Guyvers. The link in the class would redirect them to the class page listing zoanoids of similar class. So if anyone wants to see similar zoanoids, they can simply click the link. Also, I have made their names into their own link. Meaning we can simply click their names to go to their own page for editing purposes. Of course the difficulty in this kind of setup would be the mass edits. We would have to edit all the zoanoids pages one by one should we decide to add something. In the end, we would have 3 pages for the zoanoids. 1 page for the general info linking to the 2 pages, List of Zoanoid sorted alphabetically and List of Zoanoid sorted by class.

Is this what you were thinking? If so, I hope we can finalize the contents and standard format for the zoanoids before I proceed with this. Please do tell if there is something we should add or omit.

Additionally, we should agree on the terms for the category or "class". I've come up with "class" since I can't think up of any at the moment, I would like to avoid using long terms like "Zoanoids Suited for Aquatic" or the sort. "Type" perhaps?

[*Jess♥]

awesome!

yes thats exctly what i had in mind.

it works pretty well!

class... i don't like, because it suggests a categorisation, which cronos does not do or takaya san.

i think, for this purpose, perhaps we can use the term specialisation. (or is it speciality?)

this gives the impression that they may be more suited to a certain field but they are not segregated.

in cases of mass edits... i believe it is possible to write bots.

if we ever really need automation, we can look at setting something up maybe.

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I'd also like pages sorted by height and weight. i can do that bit though.

[durendal]

Cool.

I've transfered some of the zoanoids to their own page. I'm going to remove the content and transfer them into a new page as soon as I'm finished with all the other zoanoids. I used "specialization" by the way. Hopefully there won't be any more corrections to be made.

Also, I hope you don't mind if I just copy/paste the information from the theguyver.net database with a little editing. All the information I've posted so far has been from the aforementioned database.

[*Jess♥]

that would be perfect.

it's what i was gonna do.

just a note on spelling.

specialization is american spelling,

specialisation is british spelling.

I don't know if you want to use the british spelling, since if i edit any pages, my spelling will be british and if american spellings are used it may be inconsistent.

but of course it isn't a huge deal.

i guess if we can agree on a localisation then any corrections can be made retroactively.

[*Jess♥]

i just been correcting some of the size comparisons.

I had previously not accounted for things like the zoanoids leg being bent. i therefore, calculated where their foot would rest if their leg were straight and measured appropriately.

here is a comparison of the previous image and the new image. this is broiz.

it would take a long time to do them all as you can imagine.

i'll get to it in time.

first off, I want to concentrate on the images that already have hi-res versions.

[*Jess♥]

uhm, there is an issue.

i hope you can still edit by copy and pasting code into the pages.

I got onto support, a table was dropped and i hope they can fix it soon.

[Bio-Boosted Dude]

i fixed up the engrish-ness of durendal's translated part, i hope it's okay

one line however i don't understand-

"The role of the villain having suceeded in conquering the world, with a story having a special mention, in which depicts a tall building in Washinton DC being destroyed 2 years prior to the repeated Terrorist Occurence in America."

i can figure out what it's trying to say with regards to X-Day and such, but i'm not sure what the point is of mentioning a relation to 9/11 (i hope im not being ignorant in assuming that's what its talking about) and what i assume is the destruction of Cloud Gate. would you call that a charm of the story? as that is what the paragraph is focusing on..

[durendal]

let me get back to you on that. Ill need to check the japanese wiki for that. Im out of town at the moment so i might not be able to get on this immediately.

[durendal]

i fixed up the engrish-ness of durendal's translated part, i hope it's okay

one line however i don't understand-

"The role of the villain having suceeded in conquering the world, with a story having a special mention, in which depicts a tall building in Washinton DC being destroyed 2 years prior to the repeated Terrorist Occurence in America."

i can figure out what it's trying to say with regards to X-Day and such, but i'm not sure what the point is of mentioning a relation to 9/11 (i hope im not being ignorant in assuming that's what its talking about) and what i assume is the destruction of Cloud Gate. would you call that a charm of the story? as that is what the paragraph is focusing on..

Okay, I've rechecked that paragraph. It's supposed to be like this:

"There are many core fans, having charmed by the grand vision of the creation of mankind, and using the figure as a basis moulding the delicate characters. With the role of the secret organization as a villain that succeeded in conquering the world, it has a story that is worth mentioning surpassing common sense and the usual, like 2 years prior to the repeated terrorist incident in America, it draws the destruction of a tall building in Washington DC."

The charm they are talking about is the concept of mankind's creation and the character development. They just mentioned that it has a story out of the ordinary like the destruction of a tall building in washington DC, which is somewhat similar to the 9/11 attacks 2 years after.

[durendal]

Ryuki, I don't want to be such a pain, but would it be alright if we re-upload the images for the zoanoids? I plan to take some of the images from the vdf, cleaning the image. But I don't know how to put the guyver shilhouette on the zoanoids. I'm not very profecient in creating transparency. I'm using photoshop CS4 by the way.

[*Jess♥]

durendal, I would be very happy if you cleaned up those images from the VDF.

I had planned on doing it myself, but it is more time consuming to do and I find myself shying away from it.

if you find yourself with the opportunity to do it, It would be brilliant.

I need to get the height accurate for the guyver overlay anyway. I have a system set up to do that.

so if you find yourself cleaning those images and uploading them full size, then i can then download them and do the overlay.

[durendal]

Okay, reviving this. Browsing the list of pages for the guyver pages, I have found several redundant pages that were made. Some have similar content, but there are others that have different contents with both pages being relevant. An example would be the Gigantic armour page and the Guyver Gigantic. Both page have different content but are both relevant. I think we need to clean this up.

[*Jess♥]

yeah, I agree.

the additional pages would likely be the ones arranged in 'advent database'.

that is information ported from the old pages at http://www.theguyver.net

[durendal]

Looks like we need to do a lot of clean ups if we want to streamline all the pages. The main guyver page actually needs cleaning up. I've been doing some edits and still restraining myself as I'm not sure if what I envision of the guyver wiki would be the same as what you've envisioned. Like I mentioned previously, content is one of my weakest points, so I'm merely concentrating on formatting and copying from the Japanese wiki. I would even like to remove some redundant data, but I'm afraid that if I did that, it might prove offensive to the one who worked hard to create that page.

[*Jess♥]

if you propose removals on the discussion topic for those pages, we can all of us consider it.

there is much verbose writing in some pages.

I think when writing, it needs to be careful not to write too much that is not totally relevant to the subject.

not always easy to do, that is why an article is always better when one person has written a lot and then somebody else edits it.

for me, It is important to show some information that fans may wish to know without checking in the manga.

things like the first appearance of zoanoid, terminology that is used and whether it has an official definition. fan envisaged definitions, locations and events that have occurred. timeline, showing how long it took for certain events to occur and in what order.

where each character was at each point in time.

all of these things would not be overly wordy, since if a person wants to read the story, they read the manga itself.

I guess it is more suitable to describe it as being like the VDF but expanded a fair bit.

[durendal]

Moving forward, I know it's not my place to request this, but I thought I'd at least somehow try. But would it be possible to request for the data files that are featured after every guyver volume? I could use them to enhance the wiki. I'm actually looking for later volumes that the VDF did not cover.