Dreams

[*Jess♥]

you know better than I do.

remember, it's what you feel about it that is most important.

[river_chaos]

Does anyone ever have an 'end of days' dream?

I had one a few years ago, and I haven't had another one of those dreams since...and do not want to have another one again.

Why did I get it in the first place anyway?

[*Jess♥]

oh yeah.

those dreams are the type that instil a sense of utter dread into me.

it's not like i wake up sweating or anything, I don't class them as nightmares, but they are certainly the most scary that i can imagine.

scary in the way of.. mortal fear. not like panic at all.

one dream, I was at a coastal town and a tsunami came. i could see this wall of water, maybe 1/4 of a mile high, moving steadily towards the town.

another was where i was happily spending time with friends in a cafe when in the near distance (maybe 1/2 a mile away), i saw a mushroom cloud.

these type of dream... I don't experience dying at all. all I experience is that knowledge that there is absolutely nothing i can do. there is no sense in running anywhere because it is not possible to escape. I know that the end will come very shortly and it is that mortal fear that sticks with me.

[river_chaos]

Mine was of the Rapture.

I was left behind and all my friends and family were either taken or were killed in some way. Every time I turned around I faced a different scene of a loved one dying in some part of the world.

I think mine was over a deep set fear of losing everyone I hold dear and being alone.

[Mirabilis]

Wow, that would be rather scary. Perhaps, you had it, to show you how important your friends mean to you, and that you should talk to them, before the end of days happens.

[river_chaos]

Wow, that would be rather scary. Perhaps, you had it, to show you how important your friends mean to you, and that you should talk to them, before the end of days happens.

I have been talking more to my friends than I did in the past since the nightmare, but I never thought of it like what you said.

Still, why do people get dreams of the end of the world or similar?

[ErutanXiku]

Still, why do people get dreams of the end of the world or similar?

Perhaps it's a fear about the unknown again? Everyone knows the world is going to end one day - there are two types: 1) the natural end of the Earth itself that everyone raves about any chance they get and 2) the end of a person's life. Perhaps these dreams are more a sign of your mortality and how much you hold dear at this moment?

I dream, but I only remember very few and I've never had a nightmare. Sometimes I have lucid dreams, where I truly believe that I'm awake - my eyes are open and I'm conversing normally - yet my mind is still dreaming - if you understand my meaning. An example would be, one day my brother woke me up just to say 'Good Morning' - he's like that - and I asked him why he sounded funny, and he said that he had a sore throat; I then proceeded to tell him that he was wrong and he had an organism latched onto the back of his neck that gave him powers in return for messing with some part of his body. The thing is, I also believed that what I was saying was the truth and he almost believed me, because I went into the whole science and processes about how it works. Needless to say, I came away with an awesome comic idea once I actually woke up. I remember at some point there was this pause and I asked what I was talking about and my brother was like "What?" and I told him that I just woke up and he gave me the weirdest look. Though if my brother hadn't still been there and told me what had happened, that entire dream would have been a black spot XD

There are two other dreams I've had - one I used to have a lot when I was younger but no longer have, though I remember it if I hear a certain sound and the other I had only once but it stuck with me because I had it when I was having a tough time at school.

I can't remember the details of the first dream, but I remember that when I woke up I'd feel scared and uneasy. I think there was something like a large base-camp that was like a maze. Everything was grey and empty; it was kind of oppressing. There's this girl in a hood, about 5 or 6 and covered in dirt. She's going about the base camp, while these big burly guys move around methodically - they too are covered in dirt, but they run the place. There are these mechanical sounds in the background everytime they move, like the sound steam engines make - they're not making the sounds, but it's there. Suddenly the girl is found by one of these men and she makes a sound - it's not a cry or fear, but an odd sound - and he begins to scream - not in agony or fear, just a scream - and I wake up. My memory of it isn't too good so I'm sure there are details I may have forgotten, but these are the key scenes I remember and it's always a sound (in real life) similar to what the girl makes when I remember the dream more.

As for the one I had in school, I figure it was to do with my situation at the time. There was a girl I was best friends with - I started the friendship in our first year of secondary school. Two years later I found out she had begun spreading rumours about how I was a loner and didn't have any real friends - it hurt and I ended it there, despite our mutual friends - who were my friends from primary school that I had introduced her to - trying to get us back together again. If it's one thing about me is that I have no problem severing ties with people who don't show me the respect for my feelings as a friend that I do for their's - it's hard to get through, but that's how I am.

But yes, the dream I had a few nights after was the following: I was in a place, it was all white and I was surrounded by my friends and people that I knew, only they weren't really there, or rather they didn't notice me. I was a little worried, but the rumours that happened in real life came to mind and I thought screw it, but then there was a parting between this group and figure came into being as they came towards me. It was a girl, slightly older than me and she told me "You may not have any friends, but people still care for you," I woke up after that feeling a little better, but a bit weirded out because what does being "Friends" mean? Since then, I don't really care about what people think of me and just do my own thing; if people want to get to know me they can, but I won't be put out if they don't.

Also, I just remembered I had two other lucid dreams that were just weird and happened when I was very sick. They both happened while I was visiting family in Fiji and I had caught some kind of virus, and they both had the same two people - I could make out their shape and hear their voices, but I couldn't see who they were. They were just blurred, grey figures. The first one happened early on in my sickness; my mum had gotten up to use the bathroom and I heard a voice asking me who I was and what I was doing there. I answered with my name and that I was visiting; they then asked where my mother was and I told them she was using the bathroom; they then asked what was wrong with me and I told them I didn't know. The two figures seemed to think for a moment and then told me to hold something and place it in my hand. They left then and my mum came back and I went back to sleep. When I woke up, my hand was in a fist and inside was a Fijian 1 Cent coin.

The problems with this dream is that the origin of the coin is a mystery - there was nothing in the bed before I went to sleep; we always checked and dusted them. I was sleeping by the window, which was closed and locked and since it's Fiji, we slept with mosquito nets that were tucked under the bed and the nets were never opened.

Afterwards though, I started to feel a little better and kept that coin on me. When we went to visit one of my uncles, I had another experience with the two figures, but I don't remember much about that one apart from that we didn't talk for as long, and I woke up again with a Fijian 1 cent coin in my hand. I thought it was the same one, but the first coin was still where I was keeping it. Again, same situation, everything was locked and closed and I slept under a mosquito net.

It's a mystery, but it doesn't bother me.

Edited February 15, 2011 by ErutanXiku

[*Steel]

Thanks for the anayssis Ryuki. I'd say pretty spot on. Feel sort of stupid that I couldnt come to that conclusion myself.

I've never really had a dream when the end of the world is happening but alot of mine seem to be in the aftermath of something devistating like that.

A friend of mine always has dreams where he is powerless or has great trouble trying to do something. Odd considering he's a body builder, but I think that is part of the reason he started, he feels weak and unhappy. He's always hitting sort of barriers in his dreams. I seem to have the opposit effect in mine. I usualy find things effortless and can even do ridiculus physical feats. I think its too do with visualising my capabilitys. When I used to spar and fight competitivly I would always visualise the fight many times over in my head to get the feel of my own movement. If you mentaly go through a strike in your head and picture exactly how every muscle moves and flows then you usualy can hit alot harder, move and react faster. Of course I'd do this many times over in my head whilst staring at my opponent. Garenteed to unsettle them. Always gave me the advantage. Tried to teach him to do it and gain physical confidence but it dosn't seem to work.

Anyway, weird about that coin ErutanXiku. Did you keep it?

[*Jess♥]

I'm sorry that post is way too large for me.

I hope there is nothing you want my attention on in particular. if so, is it possible to get a summary?

I don't know if I already shared.

I have dreams about moving house. I move house to a new and unfamiliar place and I don't like it.

I know pretty much what that is about though.

I'm afraid of making changes in my life.

only one way i can think of to combat that and that is to move forward with my plans as well as i can.

[ErutanXiku]

Sorry Ryuki, I just had so much to write and I thought it best to put it all down instead of breaking it up...

There's not really anything I'm looking for interpretation on since most of my dreams are straight forward, though if you want you can give the dream I had as a kid a go:

I remember that when I woke up I'd feel scared and uneasy. I think there was something like a large base-camp that was like a maze. Everything was grey and empty; it was kind of oppressing. There's this girl in a hood, about 5 or 6 and covered in dirt. She's going about the base camp, while these big burly guys move around methodically - they too are covered in dirt, but they run the place. There are these mechanical sounds in the background everytime they move, like the sound steam engines make - they're not making the sounds, but it's there. Suddenly the girl is found by one of these men and she makes a sound - it's not a cry or fear, but an odd sound - and he begins to scream - not in agony or fear, just a scream - and I wake up. My memory of it isn't too good so I'm sure there are details I may have forgotten, but these are the key scenes I remember and it's always a sound (in real life) similar to what the girl makes when I remember the dream more.

Otherwise, I just wanted to share a few of the more weird dreams I've had in my time

Steel: Yeah, I kept both coins and made sure to put them somewhere safe...odd thing is, I can't remember where that safe place was, but I'm sure they'll turn up at some point - it's a clear sign that I have too much junk that needs clearing out -_-

[*Jess♥]

thanks for the summary.

that is one very disturbing dream, I can see why it made you feel that way.

this dream is very personal to you.

I can't really say much about it right now if i do not ask the question, do you have a medical condition or disability?

it is a personal question so you can decline to comment and I'll say no more on the subject.

btw, your post length is not a bad thing, no need to apologise, I read slowly so I avoid long passages.

it's my own issue.

[ErutanXiku]

Actually I kind of do, sort of - it'll take years, hopefully decades, before it completely affects me though. I only found out last year (the "fine print" referred to in the other thread) but...do you need to know the specifics?

That's just creepy though, to think that particular recurring dream from my childhood would have something to do with this...the last time I remember having it was like when I was between 7 to 9...

Edited February 18, 2011 by ErutanXiku

[*Jess♥]

you can give specifics if you like. I might be able to tell you more if I know more. or maybe not.

I'm not sure.

it's a pretty difficult one to think about.

it makes me think about your father. like maybe you need to communicate with him.

perhaps this is a wild stab in the dark, but if you somehow blame him for your health condition, then perhaps it's a good idea to talk through it.

[ErutanXiku]

you can give specifics if you like. I might be able to tell you more if I know more. or maybe not.

I'm not sure.

it's a pretty difficult one to think about.

it makes me think about your father. like maybe you need to communicate with him.

perhaps this is a wild stab in the dark, but if you somehow blame him for your health condition, then perhaps it's a good idea to talk through it.

Well, it's not like I'm overly sensitive about it - I just didn't mention it in case it wasn't necessary, but here are the specifics: I have apparently got a genetic condition that currently has no cure; I will one day lose my sight, or at best have severely impaired vision. According to other people that have this condition, Retinitis Pigmentosa, it seems the latter case is more likely and that it's progressing very slowly - I only have slightly bad night vision, while my day vision is great; it's been like this for as far back as I can remember, but I didn't think it was a problem until my new optician referred me.

As for my dad, my parents have been divorced for the past 7-8 years, and I have been meaning to get in touch with him about this since my doctor won't do a genetic profile unless other members in my family show symptoms - having one done would help to identify which kind I have. The only problem is, I don't know if I want to know what kind I have, but it would help. Also, I don't see why he won't just do it because my dad worked nights when we were still with him, which kind of means that his vision's okay, and no-one else in my immediate family has it. If I do decide to get in touch with him, I'm worried about how it would go down because it's been so long and the first time I saw him since the divorce was last year at his step-father's wake, only we didn't get around to it because my aunt and his brother got into a fight, that the latter started, and we left before it got ugly.

As for blaming him about my condition, I don't. I don't blame anyone because it's just one of those things that at the time of my conception no-one had any control over. Also, as far as anyone knows, while this condition could and may have been in my family for years/generations, no-one's probably ever realised it until now, with me...then there's the random genetic mutation factor...

Thanks for the insight though - feel free to make further interpretations based on the further information provided It's just very weird at how it seems to be 'prophetic' in a way since I used to have this dream a lot - 17 years before it even related to my present :/

Edited February 18, 2011 by ErutanXiku

[*Jess♥]

ok, that information is helpful.

in that case I don't think the dream relates to that.

this is to do with eyes and the dream does not hint at it as far as i can tell.

i think i need to read your long post.

edit:

I'm not allowed to know what it means.

i think my original comment of it being very personal to you, that means it's not somthing that i can really decode or say anything about.

the machines made me think of hospitals and official figures that seem like they could be doctors.

but this is definitely not something i can really talk about very well.

[ErutanXiku]

That's okay; I was going to say that you didn't have to read the long post - the only other topics covered in it are a dream that I had in secondary school, which I believe had a pretty self-explanatory message since it was outright told to me by someone important to me who is no longer here, and three other instances that could be considered lucid dreaming, two of which were very strange because I woke up with something that shouldn't have been there in the first place.

As said, I tend to have very strange dreams or instances where I'm asleep, but believe I'm awake. Which is mainly why I believe there's more to this world/universe than what we see and what science tells us. I just remembered, while I was studying for my exams, it got pretty late and I started drifting in and out of sleep and found it hard to concentrate, when all of a sudden my head was in a Jazz Club, I could feel the smoke in the air and the colour was an amber glow. I could hear music playing and a baritone voice was singing, the words were along the lines of "Let it be, let it be, just the two of us, just the two of us babe~" I'm not sure if this a real song that I may have heard and it made its way into my 'dream/hallucination' but it felt real and I woke up because the whole thing surprised me.

But yeah, thanks for giving it a go Ryuki. As you said, most dreams we have are personal to us and only we can know the true meaning...the problem is, I'm not too good at dream interpretation unless it's fairly obvious what the message is, so I guess it'll take me time to figure it out. Can I ask though, what about my dream made you ask if I had a condition/disability? Was it, as you mentioned, the mechanical sounds making you think of a hospital? Thinking of a hospital doesn't have to equate disability...so I'm curious, if you don't mind me asking, what else pointed you in that direction?

[*Jess♥]

ok it's interesting that you ask this.

I'll go over the process.

the little girl, going round the maze, the dingy and industrial feel to it as well as the guards, the whole thing made me think of miners and their canary. for some reason this suggests a genetic illness of some sort. the machinery etc gives the feeling of procedure, and systemic workings. the dirt in the environment then suggests dirt in a system, such as imperfections in a body system.

it's fairly inconclusive so that is why i struggled with it. it's like it is incomplete, it has a suggestion of a scenario but no story, no resolution.

I also think your dreams are not as straight forward as regular dreams. have you looked at steels blog?

you might find it interesting.

[ErutanXiku]

Thank you for explaining The process of your interpretation has got me thinking; perhaps it could have been my body telling me something that my subconscious knew but I didn't - my impending disability caused by my genetic condition. After all, the grey and murky setting is like my eyes aren't working like they should be. The condition that I have systematically destroys the normal workings of my retinas - the rods, which deal with night vision are completely destroyed, while the cones that work with day vision are slowly shut down but not destroyed. It's a scary thought knowing that this is happening slowly, but that's my only solace because the longer it takes the more time I have to enjoy the World for what it is. Perhaps that's why I woke up too early in my dream - just as it gets scary. Maybe that's why the dream is incomplete...

Wow...then again, it could have a completely different meaning. Though, thinking of it this way kind of supports my theory/belief that the subconscious brain knows more about yourself and the state of your body than your conscious self does.

I browsed through Steel's blog and it did seem interesting - I'll be sure to give it a proper read through when I have the time

[*Jess♥]

i got an idea.

please follow along.

think of the dream.

now place yourself beside the little girl.

now, I want you to imagine that one of the walls has a door in it.

on that door is an image of my avatar.

a man in a deep yellow and aqua cloak with the face in shadow walks out from the door and gently takes your hand.

you also take the little girls hand. the man leads you through the door into a room.

it is a study, there is a fireplace with a warm fire burning in it.

the walls are lined with books.

now behind you on the door you just walked through is a oil painting with an image of the compound on it.

pick up the painting and carry it over to a desk that is on the opposite side of the room.

on the desk is 3 objects.

on the left is a dagger. on the right is a crystal ball. in the middle is a journal.

place the painting down and ask the girl to move the painting left or right or in the middle.

now wherever it was placed, pick up the object and look closely. you can take this object and place it on another table to the left.

on that table are 3 more objects.

an apple, a beef steak, and a piece of bread.

place the object next to one of those after asking the girl which she prefers.

now go back and look at the painting and describe the appearance on it.

if you like you can pick up a book from one of the walls.

don't worry if you can't think of a book to choose.

[ErutanXiku]

Okay...I tried it twice, and the results were different - I think it could be a combination of perhaps me thinking I should be looking for something, and outside influences making their way in...

The first time, the girl placed the painting by the Dagger and chose the Beef Steak; when I looked at the painting it was a portrait of a boy with brown hair, dark eyes and cream skin. Half of his face was normal, the other half was bone that was tinted red, like the skin was freshly removed. I don't know if it has any meaning, but I'm thinking I saw this because I had watched CSI earlier

The second time, the girl placed the painting by the Dagger again but this time chose the Apple. When I looked at the painting it was an image of a plant in a round pot with red and orange petals, like a Dahlia. The petals slowly swelled until they came together like a giant bud and then the image began to fade. As it faded and I waited a while, I could hear slow scratching sounds. The sounds shocked me out of it...I think the plant is to do with me looking forward to the flower festivals coming up...not sure...

Having written it out, I see a pattern forming with the two results - Beef Steak is flesh like the Boy and Apple is plant like the Flower...either way not sure what was supposed to happen, but I'll try again when I'm more relaxed. I find it hard to clear my head - images always pop up, which I suppose is natural, but I felt like I was 'rushing' the process because I was eager to try it out

EDIT: Both times, I didn't pick a book off the shelf.

Edited February 19, 2011 by ErutanXiku

[*Steel]

I find it hard to clear my head - images always pop up, which I suppose is natural, but I felt like I was 'rushing' the process because I was eager to try it out

I have the same problem with the images. Usualy I'll have thoughts and plans run around my head while I'm trying to get to sleep by when I try and still my mind I get weird almost subliminal message type flashes of things. It usualy happens when I'm trying to do my astral projection. I see people places. The deeper I go the longer the flash becomes untill its like short movie clips. It'll be why Ryuki put you onto my blog as I've only started experimenting with this state of consciensness. It sounds to me like you might be able too do it too.

Ever had sleep paralysis? You seem to be able to lucid dream or at least get that sence like its actualy remote viewing rather than a regular dream.

[*Jess♥]

it's all pretty interesting and everyone will draw their own conclusions.

I think it's best just to go with it and have fun

EX, I found it interesting reading what you experienced the two times.

I'll go along with your conclusion that you were distracted and drew a lot of imagery from what you had been doing that day.

I'll wait for you to try again and i think it'll be an interesting outcome.

[ErutanXiku]

Ever had sleep paralysis? You seem to be able to lucid dream or at least get that sence like its actualy remote viewing rather than a regular dream.

No, I've never had sleep paralysis...at least I don't remember having experienced it As for my lucid dreaming, it's not like remote viewing...I - as in my conscious self - am in the dream and I am interacting with what's going on, though some part of me is aware of everything and knows that it's not natural, while I believe in the world that's been created...using the situation with my brother, it was like I was "channeling" something (for lack of a better term/phrase), like two minds occupying the same space - one in control and believing everything, and the other manifested as a gut feeling/niggle in the back of my mind of sorts knowing it wasn't real. Perhaps this is remote viewing, but I thought that meant like I am in a dream, but my conscious self is aware of the dream and is watching it from afar. Though, I have no idea what to make of the events in Fiji...was it a dream or real, I don't know...it felt like I was dreaming, since I was 'asleep' but it was real and timed so perfectly with my mother's departure and arrival from the room, like they knew I'd be alone for that long...

EX, I found it interesting reading what you experienced the two times.

I'll go along with your conclusion that you were distracted and drew a lot of imagery from what you had been doing that day.

I'll wait for you to try again and i think it'll be an interesting outcome.

I wonder if they had other meanings...I don't think so, but I can't explain the source of the scratching sound. Because I couldn't follow your instructions while reading (opening my eyes to read in between broke my concentration, hehe) I made a recording and listened to it - my earphones are the kind that sit right inside your ears, and the block out almost all outside sound so all I could hear was my heartbeat. The scratching sounded so close and was clear as it would be if I wasn't wearing my earphones...

I also forgot to mention, that the second time, I thought she was going to pick the Bread, but she chose the Apple. She isn't pointing things out to me, but rather showing me a picture of what she wants in my mind...

I'll post my future experiments and results in my Blog thread, so this one doesn't get derailed - I've done enough hijacking XD So yeah, check back there if it's okay?

This is all too interesting, but scary at the same time...I worry about unlocking something that shouldn't be opened, but I want to embrace anything new

Edited February 21, 2011 by ErutanXiku

[*Jess♥]

this visualisation exercise is pretty much like awake dreaming so it is relevant here but it's ok to move it your blog if you feel it's more appropriate.

[Mirabilis]

Hey, I am sorry if I am interupting, but I really felt obligated to post this here, and I hope this doesnt sound rude.

EX to me, it sounds like in your dream you are in a state of the unknown. Hence the maze, in the dream you do not know where to go, nor what to expect. When the gaurd finds you, you said he screams, but its not scary or fearful, so could it be a scream of relief, or happiness that he found you when he did? The machines to me seem to symbolize the evil and horrors of industrialization. Kind of like child labor.

Today I had a dream from 2 p.m.-6:30 p.m.

In my dream, it I went to my house, and it was completely deserted. I remembered the previous days, with spending time with family, and very close friends, and even starting a intimate relationship with someone. It went into details, and conversations in my memories, but other then saying that, it's not important. So anyways, I went from room to room, seeing everything still there. TV's on, music still playing, as if they just vanished from thin air. I picked up items, and was feeling them, remembering the people.

Then, I found some sort of hidden chamber, that went under the house. I followed it, and it lead into a kind of castle (like castlvania style). It went on for miles, and miles. I ended up getting lost, and found-out there were monsters or creatures inside of this place. They were a cross between the necromorphs (Dead Space) and some sort of reptile. They were very fast and agile, and I had no means to combat them. So through-out the course of my dream, I have to run around the underground castle, looking for anyone who may still be alive, in particular, I am looking for the girl, and my oldest brother.

I finally, found some method of defending myself against the creatures, and found my mother, who was much older in my dream say around 80ish. Oddly, she seemed to be able to command the monsters to leave the area, and we continued on. Eentually, we found both my older brother, and the girl, and it was revealed that my mother was responsible for opening up the under-ground castle and releasing the creatures. She wanted to kill off the family, and close friends, and conquer the world, and give it to me, when she passed.

So, in the final part of the dream, we are in a circular room, that is about 800 ft tall, with massive pillars, and no window/walls. And so, at first I side with my mother, and freak out my brother and the girl, but I knew if I pulled a leaver (which I have no idea how I knew this) it would destroy the entire under-ground castle. So I pulled it, and huge-quantums of water rushed inside the castle everywhere, causing most of the things to drown. Inside the room, it started a whirl-pool that we were all caught in. At first, I grabbed the girl, and one of the pillars, and got her to saftey, while my mother was trying to hold on to me, until I shook her off, and she went under the whirl pool. After that, I went too get my brother and brought him back too. After the water had drained out, we stood on a ledge and saw the surface ground. The entire area was wet, and we were looking over a play ground, and saw life. Then I woke up.

This dream reminds me alot about the books I am writing, it has alot of same elements with a powerful person who can control other evil creatures, and the likes of.

Edited February 21, 2011 by Mirabilis