page:Kamen Rider Series

[*Jess♥]

This is the discussion topic for the wiki article: Kamen Rider Series

[*Jess♥]

I've started a page to go into kamen rider in more detail.

I'd appreciate some input from others.

[*Kenji Murakami]

From what I know, you've covered the salient points. Good job, Ryuki.

[*Jess♥]

thanks kenji.

I was just thinking the page seems small. like there is only a paragraph of text.

I'm thinking, surrely there must be something more i can do?

sure, we have separate pages for teh other kamen riders, but perhaps i could go into a little bit more detail here like perhaps comparing the different series?

i guess for a start we need pictures of each one.

[*Kenji Murakami]

I think that would be interesting; if you wanted to do the work, that is.

[durendal]

Do you think it would be a good idea to distinguish the Showa Riders and the Heisei Riders? I mean, this would give some certain explanation why Decade was named so.

I could edit them, with your permission, of course.

[*Jess♥]

you don't need permission dude. everyone has permission.

good plan. it is certainly good to write about that distinction.

[durendal]

I've edited the wiki. Anybody is welcome to improve upon what I've just changed. Also, I find it strange that there is no page for Kiva.

[*Jess♥]

oh WOW!

dude, nice work!!

I love what you did, that page looks amazing now

I'm not sure why we don't have a kiva page.

i think that when the kamen rider pages were initially set up, it was when den-o was airing. then when decde has come on, there was a revitalised interest in editing this part of the website.

[durendal]

I've got some issues with regards to the future editing of the Kamen Rider wiki.

Do you think it would be alright if we changed the page to "Kamen Rider Series"? Then replace the current Kamen Rider page with information regarding the original Kamen Rider? I've put "Kamen Rider (Original)" in the link but I feel this is kinda awkward.

Another thing, since my next project will involve Blade, I've noticed that Larz already put a summary on it. How should I go about it? I'm not comfortable about replacing all his work, as this might seem to be outright disrespectful. And I'm not really sure how I could fit his synopsis with the whole picture of the Blade wiki.

My last issue is that I would want to upload pictures for each wiki page. Like what was done to the Hurricanger Page. Pictures of the said rider/character on the right side of their description. I'm not sure how server space would be able to handle the influx of images. Or if I should put images to these pages at all.

[*Jess♥]

first point, agreed and done.

second point, larz's section is a review so i think a section can be added for review. perhaps after the plot section.

third point, pictures are fine, we have a gallery on the server. we have plenty of space and the only real issues are lots of heavy downloads at the same time.

as long as the images are not an insanely large size it should be fine.

by insanely large i mean over 10Mb for one image.

most images are reasonably sized around 100kb.

that's an extremely rough ballpark figure.

most are probably less than that. it's not really a big issue.

[*Jess♥]

I should add...

there is actually NO LIMIT on filespace for this server. the available file space shows a infinity symbol.

and our bandwidth usage is also negligable. we have used less than 4% of available bandwidth.

the ony problems arise when many people try and log on at the same time. and you can't effect that with images.

so if you have any large images. it is better to upload a larger image.

[durendal]

Uh.... I don't get it. You mean when uploading images, the bigger the size the better?

I may have some difficulty with this, as some large image may distort the page. Like the images I uploaded for the ZECT members in the Kabuto page, because there are little description, the images protrudes to the next character, distorting the placement of the next characters image.

[*Jess♥]

sure, a big image is better. because then people can see it properly.

but that doesn't mean it has to be large in the article itself.

if you assign your size to the image to make sure your page ligns up properly, people can then click the image to see it fully.

take a look at how I did the images for the hurricanger page.

[Larz Zahn]

Durandel, no worries if you need to correct, replace or edit something i wrote, i wont consider it disrespectful or anything, sadly i havent had the time to finish up the rest of my reviews. i had a few more saved on a computer but it crashed an i hadnt really wanted to go back and rewrite them yet. so please, feel free to adjust anything i done to your content.

[durendal]

sure, a big image is better. because then people can see it properly.

but that doesn't mean it has to be large in the article itself.

if you assign your size to the image to make sure your page ligns up properly, people can then click the image to see it fully.

take a look at how I did the images for the hurricanger page.

*smacks head* Why didn't I think of that. Will do that. But I guess I will have to re-upload all of the images then.

Durandel, no worries if you need to correct, replace or edit something i wrote, i wont consider it disrespectful or anything, sadly i havent had the time to finish up the rest of my reviews. i had a few more saved on a computer but it crashed an i hadnt really wanted to go back and rewrite them yet. so please, feel free to adjust anything i done to your content.

This is actually our project, and not mine alone. Although I think it would be better if I leave what you wrote intact and have a section for it as a review. This way, people may appreciate the show better with your existing review.

[*Jess♥]

*smacks head* Why didn't I think of that. Will do that. But I guess I will have to re-upload all of the images then.

not all of them.

you probably haven't noticed then... I already uploaded larger versions of tendou and kagami.

[durendal]

Kinda weird to bring this up now, but should we call them Kamen Rider or Masked Rider? Although the link to all pages are using "Kamen", in the series info box, some are named Masked Rider (Blade, Kabuto & kiva) while the rest uses "Kamen" I guess I would have to rename them Kamen now. Ok, I guess I just answered my own question.

[*Jess♥]

well if kamen rider were in katakana, it would be a proper noun... but since it is written in kanji, should we not translate it?

I think we should.

although this brings up all sorts of questions... should we translate super sentai...

edit:

I edited the page, it can easily hit 'undo' if we decide to keep it as kamen.

[durendal]

I'm asking this mainly because there are series that uses "Kamen" and "Masked" at the same time. Like Kabuto, even though they used "Kamen" (仮面) as the titular series, in the story, they call the rider system as "Masked" (マスクドライダー). Which is why when I did Kabuto, I retained "Kamen". Renaming them all to "Masked" is going to be a lot of work. Not only do you have to change every file, you also have to change every link involved. Even wikipedia uses Kamen. I do believed it should be translated as masked, but I can't help avoid the fact that Saban made a ripoff Masked Rider which might confuse every western viewers. Those are the three main reasons why I'm hesitant to using "Masked rider". Even at this moment, I strongly feel the need to retain "Kamen Rider".

[*Jess♥]

well you also have kamen rider dragon knight.

that is fresher in people's minds and to be honest i think many may have forgotten about the old saban masked rider.

Our lot is to work through the prejudice and not let prejudice rule us.

in the example you used, when it says kamen it is using it as a noun, so that should certainly be considered translate-able. those kanji mean 'masked'.

even on the title screen of blade, it is written in english 'masked rider'.

you are right it may require a lot of corrections, but it is easy to copy to notepad and do an auto-replace.

links can be fixed. I don't think that is too hard.

I've already set up redirects from masked rider page to kamen rider page. if the page is renamed, it will over-write the redirect and automatically create a redirect from the old version.

if you look at the main kamen rider series page, you will see that all the links are pointed towards page entitled 'masked rider *****'

I am clear on what would need to be done. pretty much so if you are ok with it, I'll do hte changes.

[durendal]

I have no problems with that. My only predicament now, as what I have mentioned, is how I should differentiate "Kamen" from "Masked", as what was indicated in Kabuto. In the title it is written as "仮面ライダー" but they are using the "マスクドライダーシステム". Perhaps we should just use Masked for both instances when it is written in Kanji "Kamen" and as "Masked" in Katakana?

[*Jess♥]

yeah. no problem. 仮面 means masked. I don't understand why there would be a problem.

i think i know what you are getting at...

you are saying that when the producers of the show write it differently, that means there is some differentiation.

I don't believe that is the case... I think that they use 仮面 for the title because that is how masked rider is written traditionally.

I don't think it means they are trying to separate the two terms.

either case, we write masked rider.

I think the only time we should ever use kamen rider is when the producers intentionally write カメンライダー

[*Jess♥]

phew, it took a lot but i think I got it all sorted out.

I've done a bit of editing of sentai>super squadron, not all of it, but some basic bits.

[durendal]

Wow! Good Job. Thanks for saving me all the edits. Just one question though, now that you've changed Kamen to Masked, isn't it awkward that most of the discussion pages pertaining to the old wiki has the "redirected" link on the first page? Will we continue to discuss the said particular page in the old thread or should we just create a new discussion thread for the wiki and close the old thread?