Time War (Topic 2 - Preview Part 4)

[McAvoy]

I'll continue to use this topic now for Part 5 updates.

I've read and re-read part 5 before even trying to do anything with it over the last few days. Overall I'm happy with the action parts of the story that are still there from years ago. So far all I've done for the first two pages is just correct text and formatting so it's like the later fics (7 Days).

Saying that there are some major changes due for this story. 1st as per part 4 Guyver US never goes back to HQW after being in Area 51, he's in Europe with a team of the 131'st and 5th Armoured along with Galen and Solom. So that story will play out through Part 5 (though it will not end until we're into the Revenge story). Needless to say, they are all stranded in Europe, so are cut off from help (I'm sticking with traditon here, so they are also cut off from help by the Gigantic unless Sho discovers a way to teleport which he hasn't in the manga).

Max (aka GuyverC) will fill in where Guyver US is now not there in the story giving him a larger part before the Revenge story.

Well then. I like that idea of Guyver C being there with the New Aceaer Marine fighting off Cyber Guyver and Female Guyver 2. Makes it smoother in Revenge when GC and AM find and fight Cyber Guyver Green in Revenge.

[Sully]

Well then. I like that idea of Guyver C being there with the New Aceaer Marine fighting off Cyber Guyver and Female Guyver 2. Makes it smoother in Revenge when GC and AM find and fight Cyber Guyver Green in Revenge.

Yes it should flow a lot better than the previous verion of the story, problem is it will take a lot more work to do correctly in the re-write. But it's one of those things that simply put is worth it.

I'm looking forward to doing Union next, there will be a whole new sebplot to the story and a Proto Zoalord bad guy for Sean to face off against. No more weekling Guyver US depending on help from G1 in this story, he'll have an edge like any Guyver should have after years of use.

[McAvoy]

So this will be the fourth version of Union. The original, the original rewrite, Chronicles and your next rewrite.

A Proto Zoalord for Sean. Should be interesting. Never liked the idea that Sean was getting his but kicked by a Zerebubuse. Even Sho beat him early on. Sean is a more skilled fighter than Sho was at that point. Especially since Sean favored vibrational swords.

[Sully]

So this will be the fourth version of Union. The original, the original rewrite, Chronicles and your next rewrite.

Technically yes, but bare in mind Chronicles runs on it's own story line basically and will continue as a kind of alternative take on the story, my rewrite won't effect it and vice versa.

For me this will be the 3rd re-write of it as the orgianal was basically just to remove the scripted look with some slight modifications. This coming rewrite will take a much more total look at the story and add in what I feel should be there (will continue this point after your below comment).

A Proto Zoalord for Sean. Should be interesting. Never liked the idea that Sean was getting his but kicked by a Zerebubuse. Even Sho beat him early on. Sean is a more skilled fighter than Sho was at that point. Especially since Sean favored vibrational swords.

Yes, basically that is part of what I mean above. The re-write before from me wasn't total enough to fix this. Sean should be a much better fighter. The sheer amount of Zoanoids he faces would be enough for him to be a more skillful fighter. Also by the time of Union he has faced and defeated a more powerful Acient Zoalord and has also though barely defeated a powerful Guyver Zoanoid. You don't do that even with extreame luck without some decent level of skill and knowing how to use the pressure cannon.

The Proto Zoalord he faces will be a traditonal Imakarum style one too, insuring he gets a very decent battle.

[Guyver_Astray]

So this will be the fourth version of Union. The original, the original rewrite, Chronicles and your next rewrite.

Technically yes, but bare in mind Chronicles runs on it's own story line basically and will continue as a kind of alternative take on the story, my rewrite won't effect it and vice versa.

For me this will be the 3rd re-write of it as the orgianal was basically just to remove the scripted look with some slight modifications. This coming rewrite will take a much more total look at the story and add in what I feel should be there (will continue this point after your below comment).

A Proto Zoalord for Sean. Should be interesting. Never liked the idea that Sean was getting his but kicked by a Zerebubuse. Even Sho beat him early on. Sean is a more skilled fighter than Sho was at that point. Especially since Sean favored vibrational swords.

Yes, basically that is part of what I mean above. The re-write before from me wasn't total enough to fix this. Sean should be a much better fighter. The sheer amount of Zoanoids he faces would be enough for him to be a more skillful fighter. Also by the time of Union he has faced and defeated a more powerful Acient Zoalord and has also though barely defeated a powerful Guyver Zoanoid. You don't do that even with extreame luck without some decent level of skill and knowing how to use the pressure cannon.

The Proto Zoalord he faces will be a traditonal Imakarum style one too, insuring he gets a very decent battle.

All this awesome talk about Sean makes him my fav char of any Guyver series, even more. I can't wait to read about the fight between him and the Proto Zoalord and the Guyver Zoanoid. Considering the difference in power, the battles will be epic.

[Sully]

All this awesome talk about Sean makes him my fav char of any Guyver series, even more. I can't wait to read about the fight between him and the Proto Zoalord and the Guyver Zoanoid. Considering the difference in power, the battles will be epic.

In Union the fight with Guyver Zoanoid will not be covered in great detail. Only talked of, Union takes place 4 years after the Dragon Lord event / maybe X-Day.

To put my re-write plan in current order it would be:

1. Time War - Story 2. (Major rewrite nearing completion - working on part 5 at the mo)

2. Union - Story 1. (Major rewrite - might become a 2 parter)

3. Revenge - Story 3. (not so major rewrite, mainly removal of scripted look and tidying up plot lines, adding more to the Alkanphel - Jason talk).

4. Warrior Guyver - Character story 1 and 2.

5. Resuce - Story 4 - (Major rewrite - Total removal of Chronos and Europe from the story, events around Guyver XT9 and Zygote postponed - story will focus only on the Grakken and ACTF USA).

6. All Things Change - Story 5 -(A lot of this story will stay the same - a lot will be added into it though, from Rescue and from other character building parts. The last part of the story though will get a major rewrite as events happen very differently. Two characters in this story line get to have their time, namely the Gigantics will have a much more solid roll along with the Mercs, Jasons "death" will allow for more time for them to get more story)

7. The Assassin Guyver 2 stories, basic tidy up so that it matchs up now with the above, events with Isis and histroy are the main focus here)

8. Meetings - Story 6 (Very minor rewrite needed, so at most a rewread and tidy up the parts with Krullnar).

9. Seven Days - Story 7 (tidy up for the above to be taken into account).

After all that you'll notice one story is left out, Story 0 is missing. The reason being I want to see the last bit of events around Guyver II F play out in the offical story and see who she is truly with before I really use the character other than talking of her in passing. Guyot though will die in an alternative version of the current battle happening in the offical Guyver books at the mo. Bare in mind obviously events will happen very differently, as Agito won't be arriving to battle Sho with his new Gigantic, instead... well I let you guys work that out.

Suffice to say, Story 0's rewrite will be a very major event. It will happen after the above is complete and after story 8 and maybe even 9. But the plan so far is to go back to Mutronics (the first Guyver Movie) and start from there and lead up until the point where Guyot dies. If you where to look at the story as a whole, the first few parts focus on Sean, the second on Sho / Agito.

Union takes place after that set 2/3/4 years after allowing time for Chronos to recover and rebuild it's leadership.

[Sully]

As it's being awhile, time for an update on how the re-write is going.

If you look at Time War part 5 (or part 2 as it's known on the site) I'm currently at the point where Warrior Guyver speaks with the now Guyver Faye. So I'm about over half way through the story. Now I plan to add 2 or 3 new bits to the story to round it off with the new stuff that has being added to Time War. But I don't see them being all too huge. Not at a point where I can guess when it will be finished but I'm making good progress through the story.

[jedi-guyver]

Any new or edit data files in the works as well?

[Sully]

Any new or edit data files in the works as well?

That would be more a question for James. But yes, they all need editing (More so the Creators section) but for me I'll only begin to work on it after the stories re-writes are complete (along with improvements to the site layout).

[McAvoy]

Interesting.

Anyway guessing on your progress we can expect Part 5 to up sometime in mid June?

[Sully]

Interesting.

Anyway guessing on your progress we can expect Part 5 to up sometime in mid June?

Yup, would be a good guess.

[Guyver_Astray]

Interesting.

Anyway guessing on your progress we can expect Part 5 to up sometime in mid June?

Yup, would be a good guess.

Sweet. Looking forward to it.

[Sully]

Update time, not sure if I'll get the story complete by mid June but it shouldn't take much longer than that. The reason being I've added something new to the story character wise, not saying whom but it will be interesting. You'll see in the story so far I'm moving things a long little faster than before, e.g. at the start of Time War the only Chronos areas left in the USA are Texas and Arizona. The main reason I'm moving along some of these events so that it gives more time to later stories (More so All Things Change) so that events moved into time happen with a better flow (e.g. the aftermath of the fall of Europe in revenge thanks to the Gen).

Havin Max in the story eariler also gives the story a chance to flow better as events that just didn't sound right around his fight with Cyber Guyver and FG2 are simply totally removed. in line with what we would expect from Max, he'll go a little more all out than Guyver US did against them so the fight will flow a little more differently than before (though will still end the same way with Cyber Guyver being damaged and needed to repair off a Green Armour). Aceaer Marine will also be a litle more realistic this time and interesting, as you'll have read in part 2, the Aceaer isn't a Guyver and is capable of taking impact based damage to the host. IT's not as quick healing that damage as a Guyver so internal damge to the host has a much higher cost than to a Guyver (e.g. All things Change were the host takes hit that kills him that wouldn't kill a Guyver).

Looking at the rewrite things are flowing well and I'm really happy with the result, anyway back to work.

[McAvoy]

Interesting about the Aceaer. I noticed in the last story but forgot about it. It would mean the Aceaer would fall more in line with the original thought process years ago when we thought the Guyver were basically an armor on top of the skin. Seems like the Aceaer is more like that now.

Would make you wonder why the Gen just doesn't use a modified form of a Guyver unit. Like a Kavzar Guyver unit instead, with a control crystal instead of a control medal. That sort of weakness would certainly hamper their common foot soldier vs. anybody.

[Sully]

Interesting about the Aceaer. I noticed in the last story but forgot about it. It would mean the Aceaer would fall more in line with the original thought process years ago when we thought the Guyver were basically an armor on top of the skin. Seems like the Aceaer is more like that now.

Would make you wonder why the Gen just doesn't use a modified form of a Guyver unit. Like a Kavzar Guyver unit instead, with a control crystal instead of a control medal. That sort of weakness would certainly hamper their common foot soldier vs. anybody.

The Aceaer is a common armour, basically the Unit-A of the Gen troops. It's a common massed produced armour and should never be confused with a Guyver unit. Humanity only has use of these because the Gen want them to have use of it.

Remember the Gen are willing to let people die to test their theory. they are also willing to treat humanity as a computer, storing backups of Guyver conciousness and restoring their favorite hosts whenever they want. Simply put they are not bound by the same moral standards that humanity has.

What that basically means is for their army, which is HUGE, untold billions of their troops are out there. Only the ones that survive make it to be a Kavzar, and that amour insures that the week don't survive. These aren't Guyver's, look at the Black Aceaer Unit in the Assassin Guyver story, what happened to it when the host took too much damage and was in danger of being in Chronos hands?

[McAvoy]

Interesting about the Aceaer. I noticed in the last story but forgot about it. It would mean the Aceaer would fall more in line with the original thought process years ago when we thought the Guyver were basically an armor on top of the skin. Seems like the Aceaer is more like that now.

Would make you wonder why the Gen just doesn't use a modified form of a Guyver unit. Like a Kavzar Guyver unit instead, with a control crystal instead of a control medal. That sort of weakness would certainly hamper their common foot soldier vs. anybody.

The Aceaer is a common armour, basically the Unit-A of the Gen troops. It's a common massed produced armour and should never be confused with a Guyver unit. Humanity only has use of these because the Gen want them to have use of it.

Remember the Gen are willing to let people die to test their theory. they are also willing to treat humanity as a computer, storing backups of Guyver conciousness and restoring their favorite hosts whenever they want. Simply put they are not bound by the same moral standards that humanity has.

What that basically means is for their army, which is HUGE, untold billions of their troops are out there. Only the ones that survive make it to be a Kavzar, and that amour insures that the week don't survive. These aren't Guyver's, look at the Black Aceaer Unit in the Assassin Guyver story, what happened to it when the host took too much damage and was in danger of being in Chronos hands?

Well those Aceaers and their hosts must be dirt cheap. But overall, even with canon fodder it would be hard to win wars. Though they would be useful against the Robot things that the Grakken have now. Not entirely sure if it's human made or Grakken made that Martin copied though.

[Sully]

Well those Aceaers and their hosts must be dirt cheap. But overall, even with canon fodder it would be hard to win wars. Though they would be useful against the Robot things that the Grakken have now. Not entirely sure if it's human made or Grakken made that Martin copied though.

The real strenght of the Gen armour is the Kavzar, and they are bonded with the host for life, from there you go all the way up to an Enfrocer. Along all the way the host has to prove themself. If you read the Enforcer Kavzar there is a fight to the death between 8 Commanders, the winner becomes the Enforcer and the parts of his defeated foes become part of his new form.

Basically it's survival of the fittest to become anything in the Gen army.

the Aceaer Cast, basically is the cheap cannon fodder of the Gen army. the Units are mass produced and the people who become them are on 1000's of "Seed Worlds" where the populations grow to the billions all worship the Gen.

Yes the Grakken have their own expendable robots, I'd still put my money on an Aceaer above them though (well the Martin made ones anyway).

[McAvoy]

Well obviously the Acear are a form of cannon fodder and those who survive become Kavzars. In Allen's own fiction when the Commander class Warrior Kavzar was introduced, it was said that the Warrior kavzars were originally produced in a similar way of zoalords or such and then created by use of a unit. Now with the rewrites, I guess this could change. But I'd imagine in a test even a small step in creating mass producble Kavzars or even Commander Kavzars would be worth looking into. Skipping the step of the Aceaer and going straight to Kavzar would be worthwhile. So instead of the untold trillions of Aceaers, you could have the same amount of Aceaers as Kavzars. Or who knows, Commander Kavzar as an upgrade module to the original Kavzar unit.

[Sully]

Well obviously the Acear are a form of cannon fodder and those who survive become Kavzars. In Allen's own fiction when the Commander class Warrior Kavzar was introduced, it was said that the Warrior kavzars were originally produced in a similar way of zoalords or such and then created by use of a unit.

That hasn't changed even with the rewrites. The Aceaer Unit still bonds with the host, it's just in the WG 2 Universe you never saw what happened in the processes. The only thing you know is that the Aceaer's are not brought into battle.

Now with the rewrites, I guess this could change. But I'd imagine in a test even a small step in creating mass producble Kavzars or even Commander Kavzars would be worth looking into. Skipping the step of the Aceaer and going straight to Kavzar would be worthwhile. So instead of the untold trillions of Aceaers, you could have the same amount of Aceaers as Kavzars. Or who knows, Commander Kavzar as an upgrade module to the original Kavzar unit.

It hasn't changed. The Gen like the Uranus allow evolution (mutation) to play it's hand. Yes the Gen could have a bigger army via cloning methods, but all they get is something the same again and again. It's not what they want, they want an army that can learn and continue to evolve (though it is still very controlled). The untold trillions of Aceaers give the Gen the main part of army, it's the core of their forces and the part that evolves their hosts.

[McAvoy]

That is interesting, so the Warrior Kavzar in the WG2 universe could be viewed as some sort of upgrade module for the Aceaers?

[Sully]

That is interesting, so the Warrior Kavzar in the WG2 universe could be viewed as some sort of upgrade module for the Aceaers?

It's not really an upgrade module. The Aceaer is the armour that makes a Kavzar. But it is bonded by a Gen device to the host. Once it's bonded they are bonded for life. So rather than saying upgraded it would be more a merging.

Time to also give an update on how things are going. I'm working this week in Cork, which is the other side of Irealdn from where I do normally. So simply put my routine of writing on the morning train has gone to pot. so basically this will delay me updating the story...

Anyway as it stands the story is almost done. There are about 5 pages of Fic left to be rewrote. This is basically from the final battle between WG, the Gen forces and the Guyver Zoalord. I also want to add another few pages of new story, focusing on Guyver 0 and other characters from stories 1 to 3. So while it's close to being completed, I want to add more to it to wind up plots within the story correctly and setup Guyver Zoanoid and Guyver 2's return to the story a little differently to before.

But overall I don't think I'll be posting the story this month.

[McAvoy]

I was going by the line in W'Kar's first story when the Gen said something along the lines her created a more efficient way of creating Warrior Kavzars by making it all into a unit.

I guess either a) that could be removed if ever got rewrote, or b) he was lying or c) different universe than WG2 which means there is possibility of three or four W'Kars running around. Which would make things more complicated so i doubt it.

Well post the story when you can. I think we all understand real life come first.

[Sully]

I was going by the line in W'Kar's first story when the Gen said something along the lines her created a more efficient way of creating Warrior Kavzars by making it all into a unit.

I guess either a) that could be removed if ever got rewrote, or b) he was lying or c) different universe than WG2 which means there is possibility of three or four W'Kars running around. Which would make things more complicated so i doubt it.

Well post the story when you can. I think we all understand real life come first.

Ahh I thought you where on about the standard Warrior Kavzar, in W'Kar's story he's dealing with Lar'Cass, who would be dreaming up ways of doing things differently to Solom's vision that had stagnated (in Lar'Cass's view) by modren times. Simply put what Lar'Cass said wouldn't be the standard but more the way he sees it.

[Sully]

Ok back to updating you guys.

I'm at the part of the final bit of the fight betweeen Guyver Zoalord and Warrior Guyver (and the Gen army and Guyvers). Things have happened differently than before in the sense what was built up in parts 1 to 3 have relevence here.

Now once that is done as I've said before, there's still a decent bit of story to add to sort out what was said and done in parts 1 to 3. Now I don't plan for those parts to be especially long but nor do I plan for them to be a simple five liner.

With this update coming to redesign the WG-Fic site and get it along the way too. Included in this will be the updated Warrior Guyver data file and the Gigantic Guyver along with a much needed update of the art section (basically including the new stuff published on the site).

I will also be going through some of my old fics and while not updating them, any that has that white text will be reformatted to help those like myself that end up bleary eyed after reading them! The new site design will simply say before going into the story if it has being rewrote or not.

There will be character profiles going up OUTSIDE the date files section, the obvous first one will be Jason. With each rewrite completed (and future story completed) I will be building up this section. Note character profiles will not be about powers, it will simply be about the character and will include people like Dr Drake, General Carter etc as well, and in time (probably after the All Things Change rewrite) the ACTF Leadershp and Chronos Leadership as well.

[McAvoy]

That'll be the biggest update in years. It's starting to feel like the old days.