Richard Guyot: How did he survive?

[Zoaknight]

Yo, thought it might be fun to start a thread where we could debate how on earth good ol Guyot survived the events of Relic's Point. He used up all his gravity spheres on a failed attempt to kill Arcanfel, got cut by Murakami's gravity cutter attack, had his zoacrystal ripped out of his forehead by Arcanfel himself, AND got a pressure cannon shot through his back and out his chest...His death seemed pretty certain, but we all know he managed to survive it all somehow, supposedly without Chronos support since he'd been branded a traitor and Jabir and Luggnag didn't become aware of him until recently.

My best guess is that he had some pretty damn advanced healing factor that perhaps even the other Zoalords were not aware of & that was enough for him to recover even without his zoacrystal...Any better guesses?

[*zeo]

He was still wearing bandages over a year later and we already know Zoalords can die if they are seriously wounded and their Zoa Crystal is either removed or depleted of power. Plus he seems to have also been given a new Zoaform. So he definitely had help, the only question is whether that help was something he set up as a backup plan or whether another character like the other rogue Zoalords decided to help him.

His initial survival though is theorized that the Unit Remover may have been what allowed him to survive. Since its operation required he infuse it with his own Bio-Energy that he may have been able to reverse the process and used the charge to keep himself alive until he reached help...

[OnyxPhoenix]

And even then, he was still injured enough that he still needed help from someone. Who is the ? now. No Zoacrystal, a gaping hole in his chest, and falling away to the ground several hundred feet below. Someone had to have a bio-tube hidden somewhere to save him, and it was not Dr. Shirai (dead in the destruction of Relics Point.) Good points, gang. This should be a really good topic.

[Zoaknight]

I think he was up and about before the other traitor Zoalords learned of his continued existence though, so it couldn't have been them (though they were the ones that restored his Zoaform and gave him those nasty combinernoids to carry him around). Perhaps he had aid from some remaining loyalist to him? Or flunky he promised power in exchange for stabilizing his condition? If he really did receive help it had to be from someone he trusted to keep their mouth shut about his survival, or else someone that could be disposed of afterward without alerting the other Zoalords...I can't picture him walking into a Chronos HQ and ordering the first person he met to fix him up, and he'd have to have walked there too.

So far the unit remover idea by Zeo sounds the most feasible (damn useful device eh? ), though given Guyot's craftiness we can't rule out the possibility he had a fallback plan set up in case his plans blew up in his face (which they did ).

Any other ideas? And I agree Onyx, this should be fun

[OnyxPhoenix]

Let's see...No Zoacrystal, so they could not sense his thoughts, and granted they weren't trying to after seeing Alkanphel pwn Guyot in a heartbeat, then watching his chest be blown to kingdom come, and him falling away to mother earth. They were more intent on destroying the Relic ship to stop G1 and G3 from claiming its secrets. So, conceivable that he was able to survive his fall, but that would not have been pleasant, conscious or not. He did survive Murakami's energy slash, too, but did lose a horn and nearly an arm.

Okay, now granted he's severely wounded, losing blood, and with a diminished amount of energy to use to keep himself together. Again, I postulate that he had to have a hidden bio-tube somewhere, or he was able to get away and get help from someone. still in his thrall. It probably was not any Zoanoids, since he could not control them anymore, but w/ the fall out from the fall of Relics Point, he did have ample time to make his escape. Alkanphel and the other Zoalords were busy surveying the landscape and the damage done, and not looking for a nearly-dead Zoalord traitor. Maybe another scientist under the virus control of Chronos, but one whose strain is under the sole control of Guyot. That would compel that person to help Guyot survive so that they could stay alive.

Finally, somehow, he made contact with the three traitors, and they decided to use him and give him just enough help to keep him going. Now, with Khan gone from the fight thanks to Aptom, the original trio of traitors went down to two, but could be back to three if they decide to make Guyot an equal partner in their misdeeds. Still much that Takaya needs to tell us in that respect. can't wait til the next chapter.

[*zeo]

It was over a year before he showed up in a trench coat and covered in bandages. So he was probably either hospitalized or in a Bio-Tube recovery all that time he was away. So it's unlikely he could have made it anywhere on his own, at least very far.

Meaning he either had someone on the side ready to recover his body and treat him or the rogue zoalords had him recovered, probably looking for the Unit Remover, and found him instead and barely alive. Since they lack the Unit Remover, otherwise they would have used it, it probably means Guyot managed to hide it before he was recovered but they know he has it and thus why they went after G1. So they let him recover and just was surprised he was out and about when they saw him on that roof top...

Alternatively, someone we don't know came to his rescue or someone we wouldn't think would help him did...

[Sully]

I don't think they where Rogue at all back then when Alkanphel was active. Simple reason they are too scared of him and all the 11 Zoalords where there in Japan at the one time. Guyot failed, he didn't get help that day.

Judging by the translated converstation as the Dragon load battled Gigantic Exceed and the other two Zoalords escaped, it was only then did the two Rogues noticed Guyot standing there looking on. they seemed just has shocked he was alived and where happy to use him as a pawn against others so that they didn't have to go to the front line of a battle right away. It's only after that event they are shown reprocessing him and talking of Apollon. Guyot already a "Rogue" long before them simply is the ideal person to fight instead of them having too.

Guyot in the comics before his Zoalord crystal was removed had being shown to suvive a single mega-smash from Guyver 3. He was not unharmed though, he was in a bed for awhile and if Guyver 1 didn't have a mental breakdown he could have activated his unit and killed him as he lay there butt naked on the ground. But while in the bed, the Chronos doctors where suprised at how well he was recovering. So he does have some regeneration powers, I wouldn't say the likes of Aptom but he is capable of more rapid healing than a human.

Simply put Guyver 3's blast into the back of Guyot didn't kill him. He is the youngest of the Zoalords so could survive his Zoalord crystal being removed without falling into a rapid age cycle like Edward Carlon when Apollon removed his. Guyot simply is a good survivor whoever tries to kill him needs to be a little better at it next time.

[OnyxPhoenix]

Like, when u go to slash him, make sure it goes all the way up and down through his head, back and front, and once he's down on the ground, don't leave his body unattended for at least a couple of hours, or just wait until u have enough energy to mega-smash him at full power. MAKE SURE HE IS DEAD AND VAPORIZED BEFORE YOU LEAVE. That's how it should be done this time around.

[Sully]

Like, when u go to slash him, make sure it goes all the way up and down through his head, back and front, and once he's down on the ground, don't leave his body unattended for at least a couple of hours, or just wait until u have enough energy to mega-smash him at full power. MAKE SURE HE IS DEAD AND VAPORIZED BEFORE YOU LEAVE. That's how it should be done this time around.

Yes, this is what Sho, Agito an then Alkanphel should have done back at Relics Point, then we'd not have this problem now

[McAvoy]

It is interesting that his new zoaform is very similar to his old one. It's kind of streamlined from what I can see. But what gets me is what was Guyot was going to do before this.

I am sure we will get a story on it soon. Probably him explaining himself to Guyver IIF.

Also, I am happy he isn't a battle spider tank thing.

[Zoaknight]

McAvoy wrote: It is interesting that his new zoaform is very similar to his old one. It's kind of streamlined from what I can see. But what gets me is what was Guyot was going to do before this.

I am sure we will get a story on it soon. Probably him explaining himself to Guyver IIF.

Also, I am happy he isn't a battle spider tank thing.

I like his Spider Tank mode, but I agree its better that his spider half is actually several hyper zoanoids combined together to form a transport rather his actually lower body. I bet those zoanoids are a force to be reckoned with even on their own, but of course when combined together they make a mobile battle fortress

The three traitors seem to specialize in zoanoids that can merge or combine together to form a more powerful combatant. Assuming Guyot hasn't recieved a dummy crystal to replace the zoacrystal he lost, those spiderlings probably help to sustain/amp up his bio energy levels. Clearly he's more than a match for hyper zoanoids in his current state, but it remains to be seen how he'd fair against full zoalords...I imagine he has plans for Valcuria that involve him getting the upperhand over his two "sponsors"

OnyxPhoenix wrote:Like, when u go to slash him, make sure it goes all the way up and down through his head, back and front, and once he's down on the ground, don't leave his body unattended for at least a couple of hours, or just wait until u have enough energy to mega-smash him at full power. MAKE SURE HE IS DEAD AND VAPORIZED BEFORE YOU LEAVE. That's how it should be done this time around.

Sully wrote: Yes, this is what Sho, Agito an then Alkanphel should have done back at Relics Point, then we'd not have this problem now

Always destroy all traces of the enemy so they don't come back/revive later, even Alkanphel made that mistake in regards to his first and only meeting with Aptom (granted, he PWNED him & put the fear of God into him, but he regenerated all the same).

[OnyxPhoenix]

True, Zoaknight, but even with that regenerative ability, he still is going to be hard pressed to beat Alkanphel, even if he is in a much more weakened state. Imakarum is linked to him, remember? One thought, and the mind-altered Masaki Murakami/Imakarum is going to be right there, and I think even with his new abilities, Guyot would be pwned by Imakarum. IM was thrashing Guyver One w/o even transforming, and he is a more powerful gravity controller than Guyot was, and he has Guyot's Zoacrystal. Nuff said.

[Zoaknight]

Onyx wrote: True, Zoaknight, but even with that regenerative ability, he still is going to be hard pressed to beat Alkanphel, even if he is in a much more weakened state. Imakarum is linked to him, remember? One thought, and the mind-altered Masaki Murakami/Imakarum is going to be right there, and I think even with his new abilities, Guyot would be pwned by Imakarum. IM was thrashing Guyver One w/o even transforming, and he is a more powerful gravity controller than Guyot was, and he has Guyot's Zoacrystal. Nuff said.

Oh, I don't think Guyot's gonna take down Arcanfel, he's still much weaker than he was before without a Zoacrystal in his head, I'm just saying he's likely gonna raise all kinds of hell now that he's back. With Guyver II F's help I could see him setting up one of his Sponsors for a fall and stealing a zoacrystal to restore his power & gain complete access to their stuff.

Imakuram vs Guyot....Dude, that fight MUST happen, its way overdue. Its time those two settled the score, Zoalord to Zoalord

I also can't help but wonder how IM is gonna handle Sho now that he can Exceed, I mean, he kicked his ass when he Guyver Gigantic, but then was almost killed by Gigantic Dark...Think Arcanfel may boost Im's strength so he can handle a Gigantic or an Exceed?

[*zeo]

You're assuming Imakirum isn't already boosted... remember Archanphel infused him with a massive charge of energy from the ARK to fully regenerate him and he's still a contender for the possible true identity for Apollon, which if true means he is close to rivaling Archanphel as at least one Zoalord commented it was like facing Archanphel and Apollon has shown to have a pretty big range of abilities.

[OnyxPhoenix]

Imakuram vs Guyot....Dude, that fight MUST happen, its way overdue. Its time those two settled the score, Zoalord to Zoalord

Oh hell yeah, Zoaknight. you know it.

Even if IM is boosted by a charge from Alk and the Ark, an Exceed Micro Black Hole hitting him...hmmm, that one's gonna hurt, I think, and given Exceed's enhanced vibrational blades...oh, momma.

[*zeo]

Remember, it takes awhile to charge the Exceed Black Hole and if Imakirum has inherited Archanphel's full range of abilities then he can teleport out of the way of just about any attack, like how Archanphel escaped Guyot's virtual Black Hole attack...

[OnyxPhoenix]

True, zeo1234, but if Sho can survive all those missiles hitting him through the barrier in Exceed mode, he can take a massive load of punishment in order to set up and then lay a big smack on Imakarum or several of the other Zoalords.

[*zeo]

The attack though knocked Sho out for a bit and left Aptom to attack Khan on his own for a bit. Also if Imakirum has inherited Archanphel's powers then he can create attacks powerful enough to destroy moons and would no longer be limited to just the virtual black hole as his only super powerful attack.

The asteroid Archanphel destroyed to save the Earth was about the size of Mars! So basically the battle won't be so one sided and either could win... Also remember Imakirum is much more prone to put civilians in danger than Sho and that could be additional distraction in battle. Like how Sho took hits to protect both Aptom and the two reporters during his battle with Khan.

[Zoaknight]

Zeo wrote: The attack though knocked Sho out for a bit and left Aptom to attack Khan on his own for a bit. Also if Imakirum has inherited Archanphel's powers then he can create attacks powerful enough to destroy moons and would no longer be limited to just the virtual black hole as his only super powerful attack.

The asteroid Archanphel destroyed to save the Earth was about the size of Mars! So basically the battle won't be so one sided and either could win... Also remember Imakirum is much more prone to put civilians in danger than Sho and that could be additional distraction in battle. Like how Sho took hits to protect both Aptom and the two reporters during his battle with Khan.

Thats what I want to see, an evenly matched battle, Imakarum will have to be MUCH stronger than before to properly menace Sho now that he's defeated Dragonlord Khan and can go Exceed.

Now then, if Guyot were to acquire a Zoacrystal from one of his two sponsor's skulls could he regain his powers? He'd have to set them up somehow to pull it off of course, and Guyot is one hell of a schemer, assuming he hasn't gone COMPLETELY bat drenn insane since his defeat. You can see it in his eyes, Guyot's changed since last we saw him, he practically radiates madness and evil intent.

[*zeo]

It's unknown if simply giving Guyot another Zoacrystal will restore his powers or give him new abilities or both. We don't know all the details of how becoming a Zoalord works and only one that we know of didn't require Zoaforming... Waferdanos was already a forest entity when Balcus found it on the island of the same name and it was the Zoacrystal that transformed it into a humanoid form and gave it Zoalord abilities to control Zoanoids. So there is a question how the Zoacrystal interacts with the host body.

There is also the question of whether Guyot has been further Zoaformed, considering the new combo combined spider tank like form he can take now with those other zoanoids... So he may become something entirely new...

[Zoaknight]

Zeo wrote: It's unknown if simply giving Guyot another Zoacrystal will restore his powers or give him new abilities or both. We don't know all the details of how becoming a Zoalord works and only one that we know of didn't require Zoaforming... Waferdanos was already a forest entity when Balcus found it on the island of the same name and it was the Zoacrystal that transformed it into a humanoid form and gave it Zoalord abilities to control Zoanoids. So there is a question how the Zoacrystal interacts with the host body.

There is also the question of whether Guyot has been further Zoaformed, considering the new combo combined spider tank like form he can take now with those other zoanoids... So he may become something entirely new...

I guess it depends on how much the Zoacrystal has to do with a Zoalord's abilities, I mean, in the case of Waferdanos, as you said, he basically just had the crystal placed into his forehead and could then take on a more humanoid form and use Zoalord type abilities. In the case of Guyot, a former human, his body was specifically optimized for gravity manipulation with his Zoacrystal being the source of his strength, so if he stole a Zoacrystal from someone else he'd likely regain the ability to use the powers his Zoalord body was designed for rather than assume Luggnagg's or Jearvil's abilities, whatever they might be. So basically I believe that if Guyot, for example, suddenly placed Purg'stall's zoacrystal into his skull, he wouldn't suddenly become an electric powerhouse like he was, I could be wrong of course.

As for Guyot's current form, I think his Zoalord form we saw in the tank looked more or less the same as before only his horns and zoacrystal were missing, but it is possible he could have been modified to combine with those Spiderling Zoanoids. However, it seems like the "Trio" were developing Gestalt type hyper zoanoids long before they learned of Guyot's continued existence, so unless they created those zoanoids SPECIFICALLY for Guyot shortly after recovering him we should also consider the possibility that they were created specifically for any Zoalord to use in battle, or perhaps for any hyper zoanoid commander of their choosing to use in battle.