Some musings...

[McAvoy]

I have been rereading the stories all over again. I am on my third cruise so I am bored. Here's a few things I have wondered about.

1. With the new Guyver 4 in the manga she would easily fit into the naming scheme in the WG.com, as she would be called Female Guyver 1. Female Guyver 2 and Female Guyver 3 were named that way ebcause they were female versions of the Guyver 2 and Guyver 3. Also, with the new news, that Chronos has capability at leats to re-create a Guyver unit, that would radically change things for the fanfic.

2. Where is the second Atrahasis that was being made? He was 50% complete which means he wasn't complete and probably don't have much of hsi systems online yet. But imagine WG or WG2 creators finding him.

3. Where is the second Assassin unit that the Creators had? One was removed from Assasin Guyver and other from another Assassin Guyver.

4. So far we have only seen one MK. II Warrior Guyver unit. Where are the others?

5. Why did the Grakkens attack Warrior Guyver 2 when he was rescueing Elera?

6. Now that we know Proto Zoalords are running the Ark, it must be a big suprise for the Guyvers to realize afterwards in WG2 that there are Proto Zoalords. In other words, more Zoalords than they thought.

7. Tonnin, I have a theory about. What if he is a test to bio boost Kavzars onto specially designed zoalords? I am just thinking about it since a Commander class Kavzar control crystal which is 8x should not give Tonnin 25x, nor make him smaller than a Commander class as well.

8. Dark/Black Nova. The reason why she is so heavy is probably because of the quantum singularity.

[Juggernought]

I think there are more than one Atrahasis being created at the time the first one died. It could be possible that they got destroyed when the clan ship crashed into the star/sun or it's possible one or many is still hidden away in some part of the clan ship either slowly being processed, or halted in some stage in their overall development.

I think that the other Warrior Mark II units are still in the clan ship somewhere...there is a possibility of them being transported along with the second copy of Assassin guyver.

I think Tonnin was designed in such a way so that he would be incredibly hard to kill by the power of Alkanphel or any being with the power enough to cause significant fatal damage. The creators knew Alkanphel would want to get his proto zoalord back so by upgrading him with kavzar power he'd be the perfect assassin. They just failed to estimate correctly Alk's power and control over his zoalords. Since he is a test for a new Kavzar design they could still be monitoring him, just with no control over his actions, if so the creators would be extremely pleased their experiment has the capabilities of killing Dreadnought.

[McAvoy]

Well, he Tonnin is 9 feet tall. Even a Kavzar is 9 feet tall and weigh almost as much. I think they bio-boosted Tonnin with specially made Kavzar unit.

I think the damaged white Guyver is the Assassin Guyver btw.

[sonarelite]

If I remember right, the Assassin guyver the white one is the Assassin guyver from the GWOTG universe.

Ira I think her name was or is ? I think she was damaged near the end of the fic and must have been dragged back to the WG universe were chronos found her and froze her, in the hopes of repairing here then try and gain what knowledge she has of everything. I also believe she is half creator, like Isis Guyver 4.

Maybe when Alky refers to the first Assassin guyver, He's thinking of Ira, he cant get any info from her right now until her unit is fixed and repaired. If he tries now he will only kill her as her unit is damaged and about to go rogue.

[Guyver_Astray]

At this point in time of the fic, would it be too late to introduce a Chronos created GU in the WG Universe? With this big battle going on, she wouldn't really help out a whole lot, being just a standard unit, though I could see them wanting to throw out a new player just to aid them in the battle as a last result.

I would suggest a small skip backwards in time, leading up to the big fight, instead of throwing her in at this point in time of the fic. Maybe a few months back. Have her follow the same story as the manga, maybe different location, but she's a kept secrete. (I mean, who would want to tell their superiors that they let a Chronos made Guyver get away?) Kind of have her follow the way Sho and the others were on the run and she just trying to stay alive. No interactions with any of the main casts of chracters, maybe even introduce a small group of new ones. Zoanoids designed to hunt her (or maybe specificaly a Guyver in general) down. This way there's no real confusion as to what's going on.

Just a suggestion for something a little fresh. Or has someone already gone through that in the fic? I can't remember.

[*zeo]

The original Out of Control F-G2 is already in the WG fan fic, the original Risker controlled Cyber Guyver Dark brought her to the WG universe with him, after recovering her CM from her universe, during Time War story arc.

So we would either have to use an alternate of her, meaning there would be two of her, or create a new character. . . Though at the rate the other writers are progressing right now I think it'll be better if someone just write their own fan fic based on this idea and we can post it in the fan fic section of the site. . .

A bit of a side note, Takaya is using the new F-G2 character for a bit of fan service. . . Her incomplete CM means her unit doesn't restore her cloths when the unit is deactivated and so she will probably be shown nude after every battle.

[Guyver_Astray]

A bit of a side note, Takaya is using the new F-G2 character for a bit of fan service. . . Her incomplete CM means her unit doesn't restore her cloths when the unit is deactivated and so she will probably be shown nude after every battle.

Wouldn't be anime/manga without it I suppose. lol

[McAvoy]

Personally, I'd say leave her alone since she appears much later than what the fan fic starts (Book 15 or 16 I think). Besides, the only advantage this would give is that Chronos has the knowledge to create a semi-Guyver if they have the bio-booster armor. This would basically make the whole idea of 'Guyvers are unique' concept out of the window.

[*zeo]

Not really, they needed to take samples in order to make the unit. They didn't and couldn't make a Unit from scratch.

Just because they may know enough to slap together some spare parts to make a Unit doesn't mean they can suddenly start mass producing them.

And all that is besides the fact Chronos already bases most of its technology off backwards engineered Creator tech. . . It's basically just like the Zoacrystals, they don't know how to make one but they can take an existing one (namely off Archanphel), take some samples, and grow some new ones. But none are equal to the original!

Besides the only thing that has been unique so far in the series is the Gigantic, everything else has multiple examples.

[Takara]

A bit of a side note, Takaya is using the new F-G2 character for a bit of fan service. . . Her incomplete CM means her unit doesn't restore her cloths when the unit is deactivated and so she will probably be shown nude after every battle.

Where did you find that out?

[*zeo]

From the latest book release of volume 26,

parts of which have already been fan translated by the Guyver Advocacy Group, it shows Valkyrie just after escaping the Chronos Tower and in front of a nice sport's car just before she deactivates her unit and remarks that it seems the unit can't restore her cloths and she stands there in front of her car completely nude, the smoking Chronos Towers can be seen behind her (she's on a hillside), and apparently still happy with the unit despite its limitations. . . incidently the same book shows Mizuki waking up nude next to a sleeping nude Sho, apparently they've taken their relationship to the next step.

Check the topic page on (Japan-Legend), if you want to check it out yourself?

[Takara]

Oh, I see. Quite nice, that is.

[Guyver_Astray]

Now we just wait and see what this new Female Guyver plans to do with this power she's got, (dispite it's 'naughty' side effects of leaving her nude.) And a thumbs up to Sho and Mizuki! With everything going on, I had almost forgot they even had a relationship of any kind.

[McAvoy]

Some more:

The Nova Flare unit is weaker and presumably predates the Twins units. So there may be more units and maybe even a final prototype unit.

How strong is the new Assasinoid Zoalord? She is like syn but weaker but now processed into a zoalord. She also has some sort of suit of bio armor. What is this suit of armor anyway?

If Cyber Guyver has the ability to use the Destroyer armor for Grakkens and the armor that he absorbed to combine it to make his Gigantic armor, would he be 600 men or 800 men. Of course it would depend if it bio boosts or adds its power.

[*zeo]

CyberGuyver doesn't rely on Bio-Boost like other Guyvers, being a Cyborg he has developed an alternative system combining micro-fusion with dimensional coupler. The dimensional coupler works similar to the Bio-Boost but is more of a dimensional augmentation than a direct power siphon. The Guyver Bio-Boost is actually far superior but Guyvers don't fully access the system either, instead augmenting themselves with the energy siphon via the Gravity Control Orb. CG similarly had to augment himself with external energy siphoning but now has the dimensional coupler to help keep him topped out.

The CG power system thus falls between the Bio-Boost and the Gravity Control Siphon in terms of power generation. WG's on the other hand fully take advantage of the Bio-Boost, which is why CG is only about half as powerful. The Addition of the Gigantic Form, with its own power system, helps double CG's power to approximate a WG's (minus augmentations like the Gravity Shield or CPM).

[McAvoy]

I meant bio boost as in multiply as opposed to add. Aceaers add their power for example, and Gigantic upgrades bio boost or multiply the base power. So what does a Destroyer armor do mulitply or adds it's power to the base unit? My guess it adds it's power to the user. Not like a Aceaer, just an add on.

[*zeo]

A little of both, remember he converted the Destroyer Armor so it became a combination of Creator/Grakken/Nanites. Meaning that since he's a Cyborg he fully integrates the technology into himself for a Gigantic like upgrade with similar power augmentations. So it is a merger but the main gain is from the increased power generation. So he still gets a significant increase similar to the Gigantic but just not quite as potent (he could never become Exceed for example, he just generates more power than an equivalent Guyver would have using just the Gravity Orb energy siphon).

A normal Destroyer Armor though is just the Grakken version of an Aceaer, usually channeling external power transmitted by their ships to give themselves a boost against the Creators more powerful soldiers. The project in Area 51 was a covert plan (Earth being the one place the Creators wouldn't look for them) to miniaturize their dimensional coupler technology into a portable form that could be integrated into their Destroyer Armor so they can use them away from their ships. Unfortunately for them the technology instead went to the ACTF...