OnyxPhoenix Posted November 29, 2007 Posted November 29, 2007 (edited) Here's a little project possibility for all you happy campers: since Shizu has only really been active as Female Guyver 3 / Female Gigantic Guyver 3 in the fan-fiction, & not as the Zoalord Griselda she became to be the controller of the Libertus Zoanoids in the novels, except for the fact where Atkins sees her injured form @ a Zeus Thunderbolt base (while being escorted there w/ the dormant Zoalord Solufein & the Guyver Supreme Unit in his keeping), and even meeting FG3 while he was there, here's a little idea. I've not seen any real definition on her & the abilities she possessed as Griselda, although some of the sketches that I have seen from both the novels & the artists who frequent this wonderful site have been quite awesome to behold. Anybody who could whip up a DF on her, something like what one of the fellas did when some one asked about the DF for Atrahasis, would be interesting to say the least. Just some food for thought for the gang. Edit: McAvoy and guyverfanatic, I believe you guys were the ones I thought of when the DF for Atrahasis was mentioned some time ago. Edit #2: Had to fix my grammar; I'm OCD that way. Edited December 5, 2007 by Guest Quote
McAvoy Posted November 29, 2007 Posted November 29, 2007 Thanks for thinking me... As far as Griselda is concerned, the only two things we know is that she is a zoalord equivilant of Libertus, she has unmatched telepathy to Libertus. If I were to write a datafile on her she'd be a more built up version of a Overlord. However when it came to Atrahasis the only reason why I had the datafile on Atrahasis was because a couple of years ago I was in the process of writing datafiles for GWotG, updating them to match WG.com standards. I had the old datafiles from the older site which made it easier. Quote
*zeo Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 To explain Griselda I would have to first explain the Libertus. Basically it breaks down that Agito wanted his own zoanoid army but had to ensure they would be loyal to him. The solution was to create lost number zoanoids, normally this means that a zoanoid is improperly processed and their brain remains human and thus not as easily controlled as a normal zoanoid is by Zoalord telepathic control. For the Libertus though they were specifically engineered to be controlled in a different manner. They couldn't be tuned to Agito himself because the alternate control required the controller to be similar to the Libertus. And he needed a controller because even lost numbers could be controlled under certain conditions, Agito needed soldiers he knew could never be compromised. So Agito needed a controller like a Zoalord, and the only person he trusts with his very life is Shizu who being in love with him blindly allowed herself to be processed... Even the doctor who performed the processing asked Agito repeatedly if he was sure about doing it. Which brings us back to Griselda, who is basically a Libertus Zoalord. She, like a normal Zoalord, produces the psycho waves that allow Zoalords to control other beings. Even humans can be controlled with a powerful enough level of psycho waves. She, herself, had the benefit of being both a Zoalord and a lost number so she could not be controlled and her control over the Libertus ensured it would be impossible for Chronos to ever compromise the Libertus. Though the full range of Griselda's abilities are unknown we do know that her telepathic control rivals Barcus's, she can share her bio-energy with the Libertus to virtually instantly regenerate their wounds, she can fly, and her long hair/ear like flaps thingies are like vibrational swords and with a twist of her head she can slice all around her. Down sides, like the Libertus she has a Hyper Metabolism, this is why the Libertus are so powerful but it also means they will have short life spans of just 3-5 years. Griselda will outlive the Libertus but she too will die in just a couple of years. The strain of each transformation is such that the Libertus have to be put into Bio-Tubes so they can be bathed in nutrients since they burn up energy too fast for normal eating would provide. Quote
OnyxPhoenix Posted November 30, 2007 Author Posted November 30, 2007 McAvoy, zeo1234, many thanks for the info. It is a nice addition to the DFs & manga info I have already, & also allows me an even better understanding of the story. It does make me wonder just how the Griselda version of Shizu ended up in that Zeus Thunderbolt bio-tube w/ a lot of damage and her Zoalord crystal cracked, while a second Shizu became Female Guyver 3 / FG3 Gigantic. Anybody have an idea of how that happened, or do I get a big, fat "NO COMMENT" from the higher-ups? Hit me back & let me know if u guys can, k? Quote
largo Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 I myself asked this very same question the answer I got was that when they started the fan-fic the manga hadn't really caught up with were they are time line wise so they made it so that there are two Shizus. The question I believe Zeo went no comment to was which Shizu was the original. Quote
OnyxPhoenix Posted November 30, 2007 Author Posted November 30, 2007 Thanks for the post, largo. Now then, oh great Zeo, w/ your grand powers of deduction & story telling, could you tell us who thought up the idea of the two Shizus? And, if you have finally become inclined to tell us who is who, would u do so now? p.s. If I get a "NO COMMENT" again, hey, at least I tried. Keep up the good work, my Guyver allies, and keep making it sweet. Edit: If u find my satire too corny, blame it on late nights as a kid watching old black & white reruns of old comedies (the Honeymooners & the Three Stooges ringin any bells, kids?) Keeps me going. Quote
OnyxPhoenix Posted December 5, 2007 Author Posted December 5, 2007 hey zeo1234, just another quick ??? for ya: just how well did the Libertus Zoanoids stack up against the ones that Chronos had? Were they comparable to Hyper Zoanoids or Elites? And, if so, which ones did they really match up to (like Vamore, Grimmels, ZX-Tole, Zencrebe) in battle? If u could, a little info would be nice (working on some things in my head & on my computer @ home) to round out my research. If u have some data to send my way (like a possible DF format as before), it would be greatly appreciated. Edit: Thanks for keepin us on our toes. Quote
*zeo Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 Libertus are hyper class zoanoids enhanced with hyper metabolism and of course Griselda. On the attack on the Arizona Chronos Base each Libertus took on and defeated about 100 hypers each! Though the fighting ability of these hypers were hampered by Griselda, who used her Zoalord telepathy to weaken Barcus's hold on the Chronos Hypers and slow them down so they were a bit sluggish in their fight with the Libertus. Griselda also healed the Libertus whenever they were hurt, further enhancing their fighting potential. The Libertus have demonstrated significant strength (sufficient to crush zoanoid skulls), speed, and agility. Their claws and strength seems to let them readily tear even hypers limb from limb. The Libertus also have three modes of operation. Mode A is what most have seen as their standard mode. Mode B is their Bio-Blaster mode in which their shoulders transform into pod like blasters, the effects of which seem to indicate they are MASER weapons. Exact power is unknown but their combined blast of the team of Libertus probably rivals a Mega Smasher. Mode C is their final mode in which they latch onto a target and armor plates cover all their exposed areas, face, etc and they become living bombs in a kami kazi like attack. However Libertus don't have the ability to fly and after each transformation require time in a Bio-Tube to recover enough to safely transform back into human form, but even then they will only live 2-3 years because of their hyper metabolism. Quote
Juggernought Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 Any insight as to how there were able to achieve these second and third transformations? Chronos themselves have been unable to find a way for their zoanoids to achieve greater power through secondary transformation. Quote
largo Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 Remember that the doc that created them was a genius on par with Barcus so to me it's conceivable that he was able to achieve what he did with the libertus. Also take in to account for Aptom while I know that he was in the eyes of Barcus a bust. But he takes the idea of secondary transformations real. Quote
OnyxPhoenix Posted December 6, 2007 Author Posted December 6, 2007 Again, many thanks, zeo1234. Quick add on for u: did u see exactly how many Libertus in that group were firing bio-weapon pods to equal that energy output of the Mega-Smasher? Be neat to hypothesize just how much power each one has by themselves. Also, what kind of hypers & normals were gettin their arses handed to them? Might give me an idea as to how much grip pressure and strength levels are greater than the Chronos boys. Sorry to be some what of a pain for the info, but hey: when u r the man . . . . Quote
McAvoy Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 It seems the Libertus possesses either equal or greater than normal Guyver level strength, and even human form thyey possess very high strength as well. I think the main reason why the Libertus is so powerful is because of their short life spans. Using my Navy knowledge as an example, they're like short ranged ships vs. longer ranged ships on a similar displacement. Because fuel takes up so much space and weight on a vessel, the shorter ranged vessel will have more space and weight to use for weapons/ protection and or speed. But in the end they cannot go as far without a replenishment vessel. I also think that the Libertus design was in the works way before Agito even came up with the idea, so the doc had plenty of time to tinker with the design. I think Mode A and Mode C are identical and not actual transformations. Mode B is similar to either Mode, to think it's just an ability of theirs like Gaster's missiles or Zektole's lasers. Quote
OnyxPhoenix Posted December 7, 2007 Author Posted December 7, 2007 Okay, for all u happy headhunters out there, here's a recap from all the fellas on the abilities and power of Griselda: 1- Zoalord designed specifically to control Libertus 2- Hyper Metabolism, will die in a few years due to it 3- Telepathic Zoanoid control rivalling Barcus himself 4- Ability to share bio-energy w/ Libertus for instant regeneration 5- Flight 6- Hair/Head Flaps equal to vibrational blades 7- Classified as Lost Number, can't be controlled by the Twelve Zoalords I think that's it (?) Anybody know if Griselda can use telekinesis, or create bio-energy blasts for attack? If anybody does, hit me back and let me know. Thanks to one and all. Quote
McAvoy Posted December 9, 2007 Posted December 9, 2007 Presumably it is possible that she can fire energy blasts from her zoacrystal since we have seen all zoalords do that including Murakami. She probably has at least Lbertus level strength but more than likely zoalord level strength. Whether it is on par with the other Zoalords is unknwon. Quote
OnyxPhoenix Posted December 12, 2007 Author Posted December 12, 2007 Sorry to have been away, fellas, but work calls (and darn, does it hang on for dear life for every moment of your time!) Anyhow, thanks again, McAvoy, for the input. I guess I'll see what other mischief and mayhem I can find to cause, as long as the mods don't mind me doin so just to ease the boredom of a work day. Quote
McAvoy Posted December 24, 2007 Posted December 24, 2007 No problem. Somethig occured to me a few days ago. Remember in Meeting of the Warriors where Zues meets up with Wyvern and they are talking about the Zeus Thunderbolt? There was a mention that Zues lost a huge part of his Libertus army some time before the Union of the Guyvers fanfic. Which to me suggests that Griselda and the Libertus zoanoids were defeated in combat. I think Griselda is the real Shizu and the Female Guyver 3 is the clone. Agito hasd her presumably cloned for some reason. Maybe it was to see if he could clone whole armies of her or maybe a clone to replace the original when she dies a in a few years. ...or maybe just cloned her because he felt bad... or something. Quote
OnyxPhoenix Posted December 24, 2007 Author Posted December 24, 2007 (edited) Hey, who truly knows what goes through Agito's head, eh, McAvoy? Nice thought, though. It seems feasible more than others because in WG.com, Griselda did appear before the Guyver 3 armor became available for the Shizu clone to bond with. Helps to always keep eyes & ears open, doesn't it? Edit: Sentence mistake: Fixed. Edited December 26, 2007 by Guest Quote
Juggernought Posted December 25, 2007 Posted December 25, 2007 Or he may have wanted to ensure that she remained loyal to him only, so if he created a clone it was specifically to inherit his unit to back him up. Quote
OnyxPhoenix Posted December 26, 2007 Author Posted December 26, 2007 True, Juggs, Agito does have that train of thought, but the devotion thing from Shizu was there from the get-go from their childhood. Remember in the anime when she was there to comfort him after his parents'death, and promised to be w/ him, and for him? A bit misguided seeing how Agito manipulates those around him for his own benefit, but hey, that's just the kind of guy he is. Quote
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