A new scientific question.....

[Shenzon]

A friend I just introduced to the website asked, what happens to the human body, when a Gigantic Unit is summoned and activated around the normal unit? I found it hard to answer, and told him, the human body and possibly the normal unit, is possibly absorbed and bio-boosted into a new form. Does anyone else have an ideas?

[largo]

Well I if I remember correctly when someone activates the guyver there body is fused with the guyver organism and since the organism for is obivously adaptive it wouldn't surprise me that the host grew in size with the organism. But I could be wrong so Zeo1234 when you get on you can correct my errors.

[Shenzon]

I think your right, that's how I've always seen it. The body is absorbed or changed in some. Actually, it would have to, to do some of the things they do in their Guyver forms. Especially in their Gigantic forms. I've always believed the body was absorbed and changed so that the Guyver unit was more or less now the outer skin, where as the human body underneath, was now the skeletal structure and delicate organs for the summoned Guyver form. I don't know if that makes sense or not.

[*zeo]

You want to know what happens when the Guyver goes on a host? . . .

Okay

When a Guyver Unit bonds to a host it essentially creates a hybrid between the Unit organism and the host.

Most internal organs are regressed so they take up no space and no resources.

The heart is actually replaced by a superior version but is still controlled by the host brain so the pulse pattern remains the same.

The lungs are replaced by the Smasher Cells. Smalller, more efficient, lungs are placed near the neck area with the neck cords being the seive by which oxygen is drawn in from the environment. The face vents are the exhaust ports by which all waste is vented, which includes excess heat as steam, metabolic byproducts, and carbon dioxide.

The vocal cords are regressed, the Guyver has no need to speak since all sound is efficiently generated by the sonic orbs.

The Bones and Muscles are left alone but the organism merges with them and infuses them with energy from the boost dimensions. The combination of which grants the Guyver its physical strength.

Special organs which manipulate gravity energy are placed throughout key points of the body, namely the joint/fulcrum points of the body, and allow the unit to use its gravity energy to boost momentum by 10x. Further boosting the Guyver's physical power and helping to compensate for any lack in speed and mass. Allowing the Guyver to punch or kick through a zoanoid's body with minimal effort.

Specialized versions of these organs in the palms is what allows the focusing of the gravitational energy to produce the pressure cannon, which utilizes the effects of a compressed black hole to produce the attack.

The Nervous system is also left alone but the CM directly interfaces with the host brain and uses it to enhance its own processing ability, allowing it to predict the host desired action and thus allow the host to react faster than normal as well as provide the host a direct control over the unit.

That is also how the unit links the hyper sensors to the host so the host can use them.

The Eyes are merged with the Guyver eyes but the Guyver eyes takes over and the whole surface of the Guyver eye is like a retina so has a huge surface area compared to the human eye so can see far better.

The gravity control orb syphons energy from the boost dimension continuously and is why the Guyver can regenerate and doesn't need to eat. The two triangular protrusions on either side of the orb is what allows the gravity field to be focused for flight.

The infrared head beam orb is actually a heat vent, venting excess heat super efficiently from the core heat of the Guyver. But focused as a laser it makes an effective weapon.

The Guyver organism doesn't completely merge with the host however and beneath the armor plates the tendrils of the organism can still be seen wrapped over the host's entire body and serves as a form of chain mail armor while the armor plating covers the rest.

The Guyver armor is reactive like skin, it can harden on impact to rapidly absorb impact force. This can be seen in the Anime when G1 was shot repeatedly with a normal pistol gun and the bullet impacts were absorbed causing small indentions in the armor before the bullets simply fell to the floor and the armor sprang back to its original shape.

The CM itself is composed of several components and it extends outward like an antenna when interfacing with certain creator tech like a Relic. Creating a direct mental link with the host which allows the host to pilot a Relic like an extension of their body.

This leads to the Gigantic which is basically a converted Relic reshaped to form an armor upgrade.

Similar to the host unit merger the Gigantic organism merges with the Guyver host to create the Gigantic.

The exact details aren't given but during the bonding process the host CM extends outward like it would when linking with a normal Relic but then the Relic CM combines with the host CM forming the third ring of the Gigantic CM.

The Gigantic unit can be seen flowing over the host like a second skin before it expands into the final Gigantic form.

Both the Guyver and Gigantic work by infusing energy from the boost dimension during activation so the calling of the unit not only activates the unit but also empoweres the Guyver at the same time.

Sho used this fact in the Manga when he played possum and deactivated his unit, pretending to lose consciousness, and when he was carried to the right position he re-activated and unleashed his full power on all the zoanoids within range. All his wounds before de-activating the armor was instantly regenerated.

Internally the Guyver is integrated into the Gigantic form, for example when GG3 sliced off his own leg to save himself from getting sliced in half the inside of the leg could be seen and it looked just like a normal sliced off leg. No distinctions between the units could be seen.

The Gigantic also has many abilities but that can be talked about easily in its own topic.

[Shenzon]

Well put, very well put. I like the way you put, versus how I was trying to put it. It just wouldn't come out right.

Just thinking the way you put it, makes it even cooler.

[Shenzon]

The HSL's of the warrior units, is it placed through out the unit, or within the Control Medal itself?

[*zeo]

Control Medal!

[largo]

It's the CPM's that are through out the body right?

[*zeo]

Not quite, the CPM's are in the forearms of WG2 units, they double as the arm laser orbs which can also morph into a second pair of swords if needed.

[largo]

I thought that they were in the legs as well.

[Tyranthrax]

The two triangular protrusions on either side of the orb is what allows the gravity field to be focused for flight.

I thought it was the two 'lumps' on each hip. At least, that's what the Visual Data-File suggests. I too had thought it was the triangular things before though.

The HSL's of the warrior units, is it placed through out the unit, or within the Control Medal itself?

Isn't the HyperSpace Link the glowing patches laid over the Energy Compressors, Power Amplifiers, Gravity Gyros and set in the shoulder pads? I remember reading that somewhere.

[*zeo]

In order...

Nope, not in the legs. . .

Nope, it's right on either side of the Gravity Control Orb. . .

And Nope, the HSL is in the WG CM!

[Tyranthrax]

In order...

Nope, not in the legs. . .

I too don't recall mention of the CPMs being located in the legs.

Nope, it's right on either side of the Gravity Control Orb. . .

Yeah, they are to either side of the Gravity Control Orb, but are not the triangular things.

And Nope, the HSL is in the WG CM!

I wish I could remember where, but I've read before the HSL is represented by the glowing patches of the Warrior Guyver armor, most notably the shoulders.

[Shenzon]

Then on the Warrior Units, what are the glowing circular crystals on the forearms, hips, and calves? I thought those were the CPM's?

I wish I could remember where, but I've read before the HSL is represented by the glowing patches of the Warrior Guyver armor, most notably the shoulders

I never knew those areas were glowing...I'd always thought they were just lighter in color. I could be wrong, I'm starting to think I had a lot of this wrong.

[*zeo]

Yeah, they are to either side of the Gravity Control Orb, but are not the triangular things.

Not quite, though mostly right, the triangle thingies are what channels the gravity energy to the rest of the body. They are what focuses and channels the gravity energy from the gravity conrol orb.

The Gravity Gyro is just like the other momentum enhancers organs. Specialized just like the one's in the hand/wrist area.

Basically think of all the momentum enhancer organs as a network in which the gravity energy is channeled and depending on their placement determines what that energy is used for.

The ones at the hips are at the center of gravity of the body so the gravity energy act like kinetic gyros at that point but the same energy at the palms can be focused to produce the pressure cannon.

The whole systeme is linked to each other.

In the Gigantic the same organs are further boosted by the power crystal amps which are placed over most of the same areas and also channel the unit's gravitational energy.

But the Gigantic has 3 gravity control orbs so has a lot more energy and the power amp crystals can boost that power to give the Gigantic 20x the gravitational power of a normal Guyver.

And just like the normal Guyver the energy can be channeled for different uses.

The addition of the shoulder crystals allows the energy to be focused into a shield for example. And the crystals on the knuckles channels the same energy to produce the power punch. Which is why the translation calls that attack the "Gravity Knuckles".

Which should also answer your question about the WG's body crystals

[Tyranthrax]

Then on the Warrior Units, what are the glowing circular crystals on the forearms, hips, and calves? I thought those were the CPM's?

I wish I could remember where, but I've read before the HSL is represented by the glowing patches of the Warrior Guyver armor, most notably the shoulders

I never knew those areas were glowing...I'd always thought they were just lighter in color. I could be wrong, I'm starting to think I had a lot of this wrong.

To me they'd always come across as luminescent, crystalline-like layers that worked in conjunction to form the HyperSpace Link.

Yeah, they are to either side of the Gravity Control Orb, but are not the triangular things.

Not quite, though mostly right, the triangle thingies are what channels the gravity energy to the rest of the body. They are what focuses and channels the gravity energy from the gravity conrol orb.

I myself had always mistakenly thought they were the Gravity Gyros but now know the organs on the hips are.

As for the 'triangle thingies', after I found out where the Gyros actually were, figured they were just armor. I mean, canonically nothing has been stated about their purpose or function; but if you actually think on it, the Visual Data-Files refers to the 'Gravity Control Orb' on the anatomy page as 'Gravity Controller'.

That opened me up to the option they're less some additional piece but more an integral part of the GC system itself.

I mean, looking on the anatomy page, they do seem to be connected in a way.

Which should also answer your question about the WG's body crystals

As for the body crystals, it doesn't much supply an answer as the Warrior Guyvers have never been stated to possess a power amplification system like the Gigantic, but that their power boost comes from the HyperSpace Link, which, as I've mentioned before, have read that the HSL is the glowing patches of armor, notably the shoulders.

I remember either notably or noticeably the shoulders were three of the exact words remarking on the subject. Now if only I could find it again. -_-

And, I didn't include the rest of your post Zeo, because I've known that, but still appreciate you took the time to post it as I'm sure there are others who might not have known.

[*zeo]

I wish I could remember where, but I've read before the HSL is represented by the glowing patches of the Warrior Guyver armor, most notably the shoulders

Nope, never said that. I think you're confusing the references to the power down state when the CM was damaged and the WG armor reverted to a more normal Guyver like form.

And we've hinted from the beginning that the WG was essentially based on the Gigantic. Since we used the Gigantic as a scale for what would be possible if the Guyver was specifically designed to be a weapon instead of accidently becoming one because of the nature of the host.

To me they'd always come across as luminescent, crystalline-like layers that worked in conjunction to form the HyperSpace Link.

The HSL system is in the CM, it's why it can auto teleport into hyper space when in danger even if the body gets destroyed. Also why no matter how much of the body gets destroyed the HSL will continue to function as long as the CM remains intact.

The body is just used to regulate the energy flow so the unit doesn't overload and explode since hyper space energy is virtually limitless.

The glowing body parts and crystals is part of the body shield system, which is a vital part of the WG's systems.

Even for Matrix WG, the power wave, etc is a derivative of this system and functions much like the Gigantic's Power Amps in channeling and focusing the unit's energies.

As for the 'triangle thingies', after I found out where the Gyros actually were, figured they were just armor. I mean, canonically nothing has been stated about their purpose or function; but if you actually think on it, the Visual Data-Files refers to the 'Gravity Control Orb' on the anatomy page as 'Gravity Controller'.

That opened me up to the option they're less some additional piece but more an integral part of the GC system itself.

Yes, another thing to consider is that it's one of the few common features on all Guyvers. G3 for example doesn't have the red orb at the base of his head antenna like G1 does. Along with many other physical differences between each Guyver, but the triangular protrusion are identical on each Guyver. While even the swords change shape and arrangement between Guyvers.

Additionally on the Gigantic each Gravity Control Orb is encircled by a protruding ring shape formation. Which would go with channeling even more energy from the gravity control orbs.

The gravity control orb itself is said to be a junction point between the unit and the boost dimension. Which is how it can continuously syphon energy into the Guyver.

So we can be pretty sure those protrusions are what the unit uses to channel the energy to the other organs. The gravity gyros being the closest organs would make them the first in the chain and the protrusions are literally pointed right at them.

[Tyranthrax]

I wish I could remember where, but I've read before the HSL is represented by the glowing patches of the Warrior Guyver armor, most notably the shoulders

Nope, never said that. I think you're confusing the references to the power down state when the CM was damaged and the WG armor reverted to a more normal Guyver like form.

And we've hinted from the beginning that the WG was essentially based on the Gigantic. Since we used the Gigantic as a scale for what would be possible if the Guyver was specifically designed to be a weapon instead of accidently becoming one because of the nature of the host.

I'll take your word for it, since you've said before you've helped with the fan-fictions themselves. Obviously, you'll know more than me; lucky shmuck. XD

To me they'd always come across as luminescent, crystalline-like layers that worked in conjunction to form the HyperSpace Link.

The HSL system is in the CM, it's why it can auto teleport into hyper space when in danger even if the body gets destroyed. Also why no matter how much of the body gets destroyed the HSL will continue to function as long as the CM remains intact.

I see. And it's understandable that, even if contained in the CM it should be a smaller system than the Gravity Controller, but since it's newer technology that smaller economic size doesn't necessarily mean it'll be weaker.

The body is just used to regulate the energy flow so the unit doesn't overload and explode since hyper space energy is virtually limitless.

The glowing body parts and crystals is part of the body shield system, which is a vital part of the WG's systems.

Even for Matrix WG, the power wave, etc is a derivative of this system and functions much like the Gigantic's Power Amps in channeling and focusing the unit's energies.

I knew those parts were glowing. =]

As for the 'triangle thingies', after I found out where the Gyros actually were, figured they were just armor. I mean, canonically nothing has been stated about their purpose or function; but if you actually think on it, the Visual Data-Files refers to the 'Gravity Control Orb' on the anatomy page as 'Gravity Controller'.

That opened me up to the option they're less some additional piece but more an integral part of the GC system itself.

Yes, another thing to consider is that it's one of the few common features on all Guyvers. G3 for example doesn't have the red orb at the base of his head antenna like G1 does. Along with many other physical differences between each Guyver, but the triangular protrusion are identical on each Guyver. While even the swords change shape and arrangement between Guyvers.

I've always wondered just what it does. I've thought it could be some sort of heat storage so the unit could provide the needed energy for the Head Beam without having to keep the body at high temperatures.

I've also thought they could be part of the Hyper Sensory system, for if I remember correctly Agito has before asked if Sho could detect something; while some of my friends have suggested it might just be him tryin' to keep Sho on his toes, I've thought that maybe his Sensors aren't as efficient as Sho's.

Additionally on the Gigantic each Gravity Control Orb is encircled by a protruding ring shape formation. Which would go with channeling even more energy from the gravity control orbs.

The gravity control orb itself is said to be a junction point between the unit and the boost dimension. Which is how it can continuously syphon energy into the Guyver.

So we can be pretty sure those protrusions are what the unit uses to channel the energy to the other organs. The gravity gyros being the closest organs would make them the first in the chain and the protrusions are literally pointed right at them.

I figure the ring formation around the GC would be designed to send a more even flow of energy throughout the unit.

[Shenzon]

The HSL system is in the CM, it's why it can auto teleport into hyper space when in danger even if the body gets destroyed. Also why no matter how much of the body gets destroyed the HSL will continue to function as long as the CM remains intact.

That makes perfect sense. I didn't think of that. So I take it that when Warrior Guyver's unit was damaged, it must have been the HSL's that took most of the damage.

The body is just used to regulate the energy flow so the unit doesn't overload and explode since hyper space energy is virtually limitless.

So I take it that the organs that regulate the flow of energy from the HSL's is the same as the organs that regulate the flow from the Gravity Controller then?

The glowing body parts and crystals is part of the body shield system, which is a vital part of the WG's systems.

Ok, I think this is what confuses me. Using what ability would cause the crystals around the body of a Warrior Unit to light up? Barrier shields, power beam blast, or activating and then channelling the CPM's for an attack? Because I thought I read that when Warrior Guyver 2 and 3 were preparing to attack Kron in Canada, they both activated their CPM's and all the crystals on their bodies lit up as the CPM's were channeled. I think that's what made me assume the organs under the crystals were part of the CPM's on the unit, but now I think your saying they are used for channelling energy from Hyper Space through out the body and activating the CPM's would make them light up because of the excess power now being channelled through the body, right?

I knew those parts were glowing. =]

Lol, looks like you were right, they were glowing...

[*zeo]

I'll take your word for it, since you've said before you've helped with the fan-fictions themselves. Obviously, you'll know more than me; lucky shmuck. XD

Thanks, I'm the one who writes the datafiles for the fan fiction and I edit most of the stories, so I'm sort of a co-writer. While the CG fics are all mine. And I've been here since the beginning.

I see. And it's understandable that, even if contained in the CM it should be a smaller system than the Gravity Controller, but since it's newer technology that smaller economic size doesn't necessarily mean it'll be weaker.

It's part of the whole CM design, all 4 segments are needed for it to work properly.

Originally we drew this from the Fact a normal Guyver can regenerate from just the CM and do so very rapidly after about 11 hours of dormancy.

The theorized reason is that the CM can also tap the boost dimension without relying on the Gravity Control Orb but only during regeneration.

This is part of a larger understanding of the bio-boost process itself since unlike normal operation the bio-boost seems to draw an enormous amount of energy from the boost dimension but only during a transformation period.

Which also applies to zoanoids. The unit was a standard equipment for the Creators even before they came to Earth so they could easily have used the Bio-Boost to make transforming the humans into zoanoids easier, the T-Rex Guyver 0 fought for example was actually a zoanoid and shows significant mass increase is possible but the only explaination for so much mass is an energy syphon from the boost dimension. But since Zoanoids don't have unlimited energy this means the energy is only available for changing mass.

Consequently explaining how they can increase their mass so quickly. So in that much both the Guyver and the Zoanoids are similar but unlike a zoanoid a Guyver has the gravity control orb to provide a continuous flow of energy and the Guyver has a much higher energy storage capacity than any normal zoanoid.

Not to mention the CM which helps regulate the whole thing and make the Guyver as efficient as possible.

I've always wondered just what it does. I've thought it could be some sort of heat storage so the unit could provide the needed energy for the Head Beam without having to keep the body at high temperatures.

I've also thought they could be part of the Hyper Sensory system, for if I remember correctly Agito has before asked if Sho could detect something; while some of my friends have suggested it might just be him tryin' to keep Sho on his toes, I've thought that maybe his Sensors aren't as efficient as Sho's.

Unfortunately we have no idea what it is, being just one of the body parts that have never been given a description.

But your theories are as good as anybody's elses.

I figure the ring formation around the GC would be designed to send a more even flow of energy throughout the unit.

Considering the Gigantic can make itself grow to near 60 meters tall I would say it's a very effective design.

That makes perfect sense. I didn't think of that. So I take it that when Warrior Guyver's unit was damaged, it must have been the HSL's that took most of the damage.

It's an integral part of the WG CM so when the CM was damaged the ability to use the HSL was impaired as well.

So I take it that the organs that regulate the flow of energy from the HSL's is the same as the organs that regulate the flow from the Gravity Controller then?

In part, yes. But the host body itself is used to regulate the energy flow in a manner similar to a fuse/capacitor. So the system is scalable, which means the more power the host body can handle the more powerful the resulting WG.

There is also the body shield system which is both integrated into the armor and helps produce and regulate many of the WG's abilities.

Ok, I think this is what confuses me. Using what ability would cause the crystals around the body of a Warrior Unit to light up?

The body shield, which is always active and is an intergral part of what makes the WG different from a normal Guyver - Beyond just being more powerful.

Edited May 17, 2007 by Guest

[Shenzon]

The body shield, which is always active and is an intergral part of what makes the WG different from a normal Guyver - Beyond just being more powerful.

So the body shield is always active, 24/7? Or just when an attack is anticipated?

Consequently explaining how they can increase their mass so quickly. So in that much both the Guyver and the Zoanoids are similar but unlike a zoanoid a Guyver has the gravity control orb to provide a continuous flow of energy and the Guyver has a much higher energy storage capacity than any normal zoanoid.

Definately explains why Zoanoids can transform so quickly as well as Zoalords. I've always thought it was because their bodies just produced or released mass amounts of energy during transformation only. Which I thought was why during the anime, heat waves could be seen around them during transformation.

[*zeo]

Only Darzerb produces a heat wave since he can radiate heat in his transformed state as well as when he's transforming.

The others are just producing excess energy during the transformation. But regular zoanoids barely tap this power so they don't glow much if at all.

Even the Hypers mainly glow because of a rapid transformation. In the new anime it was shown it can be done slower and just to specific body parts like Murikami making his arm slightly bulkier just before he fired the zoabuster pistol, but no light came from him and unless you were looking right at the arm you wouldn't even have noticed.

The main thing to consider with the Bio-Boost is the fact the zoanoids battle forms are more massive than the human body. So unless they are super dense in human form the only explaination is they draw in energy to facilitate the transformation.

But E=MC^2 so they would have to suck up an equivalent amount of mass to make up the difference. The fact that they don't only leaves the Bio-Boost as an explaination since it draws energy from the boost dimension.

And as for the WG body shield, yes 24/7.

[Shenzon]

And as for the WG body shield, yes 24/7.

Can the CPM's be used to enhance the body shield, if the host knows of an impending attack?

Here's a new question, when the Warrior Guyvers fire their double handed pressure canon(with it being 4x as powerful as a standard Guyver's), does the size of the pressure cannon change, or just its power?

Also, when Warrior Guyver fires his blast shield attack, is it released as a giant pressure cannon, or as a power wave?

(Sorry for all the crazy questions, I'm just fascinated with the whole Guyver and Warrior Guyver idea)

[*zeo]

It's primarily raw gravitational energy but WG can manipulate it into different forms. Primarily the effect is similar to a massive pressure cannon but he can also potentially create a black hole attack as well as other gravitational effects.

The WG pressure cannons are just primarily more powerful but at full power they can expand when fired, similar to the Gigantic's.

And yes, the CPM's can be used to boost the body shield.

[Juggernought]

Sometimes i envisioned the gravity shield weapon being fired somewhat like Goku's spirit bomb..But also pressure cannon configuration works as well...imagine on Budokai 2...Vegeta's big bank attack being fired from the palm of his hand.