Who is the real bad guy, Imakarum or Agito?

[Guest]

Maybe you all have thought about this before. Agito has always had this personality that requires him to have power more than others. He got his wish when he got ahold of the third Guyver unit. But, it was not enough. To truely be "Zeus" he needed more. He has worked with Sho and protected him on many occasions but has always considered him a pawn. Now that he is the master ruler of the gigantic armor, he can compete with the all powerful Zoalords. But he doesn't really seem to care about Sho or his friends. They mean next to nothing. Perhaps he cares for Shizu more than anyone else. I just wonder what will he do if he eliminates Chronos, make himself ruler of the world? Now Imakarun (formally Masaki Murakami) started off as nobel or benevolent. He was the unwilling test subject that had anothers will passed to him to overthrow an evil organization. He was the one that might have been better suited to bond with a guyver unit more than anyone else. He truely did have the will to fight Chronos. He actually showed feelings for his comrades and risked his life to protect them. Now thanks to his "resurrection" he is altogether changed. But is he "evil"? Yes I know he is a high Chronos Zoalord general, but let's not forget that he is again subjected into this role against his will. Yet he still shows compassion (just to Alkanphel). But even regarding Alkanphel, he doesn't seem all to evil with the sacrfice he made when he saved the earth. And with him being so weak, his care is entrusted to the one Zoalord he can depend on. I think that there is a part of Imakarum, a part of Masaki that is still good. Maybe in the end he will turn out to be more of an hero than Agito? All we can do is wait...

[Matt Bellamy]

Agito - it's pretty clear that he wants to rule the world now. As for carign for people? Nope. Not a one. His men, he transformed into powerful HGyper Zoanoids yes, but they only have 3 years to live... same with Shizu. The girl who loves him, but he only views as a pawn.

Imakarum - Is he evil? I would make a personal opinion and say no. For the simple fact, I don't think Alkanphel is all that evil. And Imakarum was shown Alkanphels true past. Although nothing has been shown, I think he's the only one who has. Alkanphel started Chronos to fight the creators, who wronged him, and the whole planet in the past. He IS going about it, in the wrong way mind you... but overall, he's not diabolically evil. And Imakarum was remade in his own image, thus, I think there is plenty of good left in him.

Is Chronos "Evil"? Some of the things they do are, yes. And the traitor Zoalords? Oh yes. They are evil.

[guyverfanatic]

I'd have to agree with Matt. Agito cares for no one but hilself. He will go whatever lenghts to get what wants at any cost. I can see the series ending with a Guyver I vs Guyver III duking it out.

[daveblackeye152]

Yeah, Agito is quite evil. Alkanphel and Imakarum still have good in them. Are the three evil Zoalords working with Guyot or are they doing their own thing?

[*zeo]

I disagree with Matt, Agito cares but for him it's war and Shizu was the only one he could trust with the power of a Zoalord over his Libertus army. In fact he was angry that she only had three years to live, which is why he destroyed the Kronos Tower after he was told about her shortened lifespan. It was an act of anger and frustration that could only be explained by him being upset about Shizu's fate.

So Agito only hides his true feelings. He's mainly just so consumed by his need for revenge that he doesn't let his feelings get in the way.

Remember Agito lost his family to Kronos and was adopted by the man responsible. So he has grown up wanting revenge but also since he was raised by Kronos he has been taught that you can be either one of two types of people, either the ones with power or their victims and he never ever wanted to be victim again. The only logical conclusion of this belief is that in order to always be in control of his destiny then he must not only destroy Kronos but rule the world himself. So for him the ends justify the means. There is a difference between not caring and not letting your feelings get in the way.

But there is also a saying about revenge, if one becomes consumed by the need to destroy the enemy then one will become the enemy. So though Agito is presently not evil, just consumed with the need to fulfill his goals, he could become truly evil if he doesn't learn to change in the future. In other words he's not yet beyond redemption but he is definitely on the road to damnation.

Also remember, very few bad guys actually see themselves as bad guys. They just do what they think is necessary and depending on your point of view they will either be good or evil.

[*Jess♥]

There is no universal good or evil.

what determines good or evil is the majority vote.

It seems that most of the world are pleased with chronos' ascent to power, They seem to have done a lot of good. Uniting nations making people stronger, etc. It seems as though the world is a better place, people are happier and there is no war and humanity is acting according to their original purpose.

And so when we take this into consideration we see that the real bad guy is the enemy of chronos:- The guyvers.

of course when we look from sho's point of view the worst bad guy of all is agito. he is the one that can cause the most damage in the long run. agito has almost caused shos death on more than one occasion (stealing the gigantic unit leaving him vulnerable) in fact on one occasion he actually did bring about shos death(enzyme).

[Guest]

I hear what everyone is saying. Maybe Agito is not as bad as he seems and maybe his methods are sound and just. He comes off with this caliber of "by any means necessary". I don't really think that he cares "nothing at all" for his comrads either. The libertus soldiers would have to know the risk of undergoing the process and the side affect of the extremely short lifespan. The same goes for Griselda (Shizu). She saw her Grandfather die a horrible death right in front of her. It was probably more than enough reason to have the power to fight chronos despite the risk of a short life expectancy. Agito seems to feel that he must be as ruthless as the enemy.

[Guest]

I don't think Agito's reasons for destroying cloud gate and killing all those innocent people on the ground were ever explained. As far as I'm concerned, he might have just been exploring the extent of his power. True, he is angsty, but I don't think he has any love left.

I think both Sho and Alkanphel are both good guys with different perspectives, but still great rivals. I agree with Matt. The good guys look like monsters, while the bad guys look like angels.

And no, I disagree with good and evil being a popular vote. Morality is not a democracy. Society just gets to justify itself so. Real evil is that which will hurt without necessity of survival.

In a sense, Alkanphel is hurting a lot of people when he sends them into battle; to be slaughtered on the front lines. He is a telepathically controlling general, that is his form of evil. he forces people to be soldiers, a form of suicide/murder.

[*Jess♥]

I don't think Agito's reasons for destroying cloud gate and killing all those innocent people on the ground were ever explained.

And no, I disagree with good and evil being a popular vote. Morality is not a democracy. Society just gets to justify itself so. Real evil is that which will hurt without necessity of survival.

sorry to be picky but i can't resist! Cloud gate is the one in japan. agito never destroyed that one.

i see your point about the definition of evil but i stand by my guns because of the mere fact that some people don't believe their actions hurt others whilst other people do.

I would like to point out at this point Vegetarians, boyracers, drug users, some lazy drivers, etc.

whilst i do not condemn/condone or in fact have any opinion any of these groups of people they all have different (and valid) points of view on what hurts people.

sorry to go off track like that but i think i have explained my point fully.