daveblackeye152 Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 I've been thinking (uh oh) at the end of episode six when Mizuki is hugging Guyver I I thought of something: Do you think you can feel any body temperature coming from the Guyver? The Guyver creature IS a living creature and I don't see why it can't give off heat. Another thing is what if one of the Guyvers is in the Sahara desert which is REALLY HOT . Does the heat make it even hotter inside the Guyver or does it give the host some sort of cooling design incase the host shows signs of over heating or heat stroke? What if a Guyver was in Antartica where it's REALLY COLD (gone greenish blue from the cold) does the Guyver heat up the inside it so Sho or Agito don't get frost bite or get hypothermia? Your opinons please...
guyverfanatic Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Flames don't even faise(SP?) a Guyver, so the host's body temp would remain the same, not too mention a guyver can go into space, so very cold temperatures don't affect it was much too. Er, well I think so....
Thunder Demon Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Probably. Except for one thing. Absolute Zero means that not a single atom in an object is vibrating (hence part of why we have heat or lack thereof). A normal human would be long dead before reaching that point, assuming of course you could reach that point. The closest anyone has gotten is within something like a millionth of a degree, which is pretty darn close. But for the sake of argument, it might survive assuming that the Unit can withstand such extreme temperatures.
Guest Posted June 18, 2004 Posted June 18, 2004 Well you got to remember, Guyver 1 survived Darserbs Neplam Fire (Isn't that what its called?) like how hot would that have been? I reckon though that a normal Guyver wouldn't be able to withstand lava, a Gigantic Guyver might be able to becaus it has the shielding and that.
daveblackeye152 Posted June 18, 2004 Author Posted June 18, 2004 Riven: Well you got to remember, Guyver 1 survived Darserbs Neplam Fire (Isn't that what its called?) like how hot would that have been? Yeah, I remember that. What I am wondering is does it stay the same temperature inside the Guyver at all time or try to? What if Guyver III's been fighting for a while, and he's sweating from jumping around a whole bunch does the suit turn on the air conditioner (or something like that) so Agito can get his temperture down and stop sweating. I know the Guyver is resilent against flame but does it become somewhat hotter inside the Guyver? Not even a smigen hotter?
Guest Posted June 18, 2004 Posted June 18, 2004 The CM would most likely keep track of the hosts body tempature and would be able to regulate the body tempature to keep the host from freezing or overheating.
Guest Posted June 18, 2004 Posted June 18, 2004 Well you got to remember, Guyver 1 survived Darserbs Neplam Fire (Isn't that what its called?) like how hot would that have been?3,000 degrees Celcius according to his data file off the anime If I remember Correctly.I reckon though that a normal Guyver wouldn't be able to withstand lava, a Gigantic Guyver might be able to becaus it has the shielding and that. Except for the Lava would likely interfere with the operation of the breathers there isn't really that much of a problem. Lava at hottest in Hawaii is only around 1200 degrees Celsius signifcantly lower then 3000 degrees Celcius.Edit: Checked the data file again it is 3900 degrees Centigrade, which other then a slightly different definition I haven't been able to determine as being different from Celsius.
BloodStorm Posted June 18, 2004 Posted June 18, 2004 I did a quick search on AskJeeves, and according to my data, Celsius and Centigrade are infact the same thing. As for the lava thing.. even if the lava did block the breathers, The armor lets the host survive on up to 20 minutes or so on a single breath of air, right? So it's not like they'ld suffocate or anything immediately.. Then again.. the lava FOG used in his example is the temperature at the surface.. it would likely be much hotter if you went deeper undercround.. say to the core.
Thunder Demon Posted June 18, 2004 Posted June 18, 2004 Also, If I remember my science right from eighth (or was it seventh?) grade, 3.9K is reached towards the middle portion of the mantle. Meaning, even a Guyver couldn't dig his way to China.
Guest Posted June 18, 2004 Posted June 18, 2004 Well unless it was that elemental fire guyver from some fanfic i read a looooooooooooooooooooong time ago. Wasn't he immune to heat?
Guest Posted June 19, 2004 Posted June 19, 2004 Ewww, Finally a good topic. I like The unit MUST maintain a core body temperature for a very good reason. The brain. The armor fuses to the host, useing it's own superior organs when necessary/applicable. But it's the host brain that's important. Think about it... essentially our bodies serve our will, doing what our minds (generated by the brain) tell them. The armor is an augmentation of the body; or possibly viewed as an extention, just like a relic. The brain has very critical heat limits. to hot or too cold and you die. Well, in a guyver's case, maybe go into self defence mode until the damaged brain can be repaired. But even physical exersion from fighting can increase body temp, so cooling off the body is probebly important. Yep, the guyver can withstand a Delzerb Napalm attack. As for freezing... ? The visual data files say that before the unit-g is activated, the organics are held in stasis, whether this meens frozen or not? Balcus and Guyot did consider freezing the control metal to prevent it from regenerating the host, so is this a thermal limit? On the other hand, Agito followed the gigantic cacoon through the dimensional hyper jump... is the dimension as cold as space? Or does that nebulous energy provide heat? Is it even nebulous gas of which the host can derive breath? As for the gigantic armor, since it is a converted relic (they were capable of space travel), I think it can definetly withstand the coldness of space. Since relics even siphon thermal energy from the Earth's core, I think it is heat tolerant as well.
TheGuyversWill Posted June 20, 2004 Posted June 20, 2004 Fog, don't insult people.... it can lead to strikes... -slithers away all mod like-
*Jess♥ Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 What if Guyver III's been fighting for a while, and he's sweating from jumping around a whole bunch does the suit turn on the air conditioner (or something like that) so Agito can get his temperture down and stop sweating. As for the lava thing.. even if the lava did block the breathers, The armor lets the host survive on up to 20 minutes or so on a single breath of air, right? So it's not like they'ld suffocate or anything immediately.. The guyver when activated changes the hosts body structure removing unnecessary organs and upgrading others,(youngguyver brushed on this) therefore the 'host' doesnt have the same needs as a regular human. Like sweating. also the two 'breathers' on the face are not for breathing they are for adapting to atmospheric conditions. so if the guyver was in space they would adjust to suit the lack of pressure and also the tempurature. Many of the guyvers weapons operate on the principle of vibration causing sound and shock waves and the like and while temperature is simply different states of vibrating mollecules then i dont see any reason why guyver would let someting so trivial as this affect it.
*zeo Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 Many of the guyvers weapons operate on the principle of vibration causing sound and shock waves and the like and while temperature is simply different states of vibrating mollecules then i dont see any reason why guyver would let someting so trivial as this affect it. Those same weapons can damage the Guyver so it's not quite that simple. But the Guyver is highly efficient and renders the host virtually immune to external stimuli unless it is sufficient to damage the armor. Remember the Guyver was originally intended as a universal space armor, so it can naturally withstand temperature extremes which in space can vary by hundreds of degrees. Not to mention withstand radiation and micrometeorites, etc. So yes the armor is one tough cookie, so to speak, and that is before the Guyver effect when bonded to a human. Just to get an idea, the space shuttle during re-entry experiences about 1650 degrees celcius of heat friction as it hits the atmosphere at 17,000 MPH. At just 1,000 degrees aluminum turns to slag and we all know from the Columbia disaster what happens if the heat shields fail. In comparison the Guyver withstood 3,900 degress without even getting scorched. This would have instantly cremated a human. Any temp approaching 5,000 degrees can vaporize just about any natural material on the planet, so the Guyver is extremely resilent. It also means that unless the Guyver is made of some exotic form of matter that most of that heat must have simply been reflected like the heat shield tiles of the space shuttle. So little to none of that heat would penetrate to the host. Similarly the host would be insulated from the extreme cold and as YoungGuyver pointed out the internal temp of the Guyver probably never varies from optimum human temperature because of the host brain. As for what Mizuki felt while hugging G1, the second movie description probably fits best. Feels like leather, acts like metal, and is cool to the touch even after holding a blow torch to it for an hour. What did you think organic space armor would feel like?
Guest Posted June 23, 2004 Posted June 23, 2004 Oh, and um, Drag-5, When the anatomy picture in the Visual data files was talking about the lungs, it mentioned that the tubes alongside the neck extract the oxygen (I guess the lung parts in the chest are simply for infusing it into the blood), and mentioned the breather units on the face. You make an excellent point about maintaining pressure. If the Guyver attains a different altitude and such, I can definetly see how usefull. I'm guess the mist we see spray out is also collected waste products. The armor is still useing blood afterall, so there is probebly a matter exchange going on aside from breathing. Afterall, the organic part of the armor as to regenerate out of something (this is a bit of a sidetrack).
Guest Posted July 13, 2004 Posted July 13, 2004 Umm... I know this topic is a little old, but didn't the old data file state that the Warrior Unit was succeptable to extreme heat or cold due to the damage in the medal? So, even in full repair, wouldn't they have some limit? I mean after all, some of the units have to use particular shielding when reaching HIGH speeds in an environment where friction is a natural reaction. Well, if they could tolerate the heat, they would have no need for the shield, right?
*zeo Posted July 13, 2004 Posted July 13, 2004 You're confusing Warrior Guyver with W'Kar, Power Asbolute. The friction heat was just an example of how much a standard Guyver can withstand. We were not discussing fan fic creations. If you want to discuss shielding and other durability factors then open a new topic.
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