Thunder Demon Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 Hmmm. If I my take a stab into the dark so to speak, it would appear, Alkanphel is simply trying to maintain a level of control and to keep himself on top without being ousted off the top of the hierarchy. In other words, he's trying to find the Units before anyone else does so he doesn't get booted from the top. However, keeping in mind that he was around when the Guyver Zoalord incident took place, he would like to prevent that from happening again too, particularly if one of his Zoalords were to activate it. Hence his rule about now Zoalord activating the unit. That's my guess anyway. And any comment or no comment is all the answer i need to confirm this from Brian. Of course, we all could be in denial... Not that that's relavent anyway.
Guest Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 IMO, Alk might want the relic, so that he can find technology inside it to fully repair his unit, so that it boosts him completely.
Thunder Demon Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 In terms of the relic, yeah, that makes sense. Then, well, you have an imagination. use the darn thing.
Frost Posted March 26, 2004 Posted March 26, 2004 Produce Guyver units? well get in line buddy the Grakens have been trying to replicate them for quite some time,Alkhanphel thinks in the long term no way is he going to go about producing guyver units now if you'd have said finding new ways to enhance the zoalord design that would have been oky.Sully is right the V1 unit with which he is bonded with can nearly match the potential of the prototype unit v5 if development work is carried out on it.Personaly i think he only needs a proper Hsl and another shield and once his forces have become powerful and inscreased in numbers then he could merge with a proper unit but right now it's nap time for him but i so hope he doesnt permanetly bond with the unit will take the fun out you know. But If a Master Zoalord merges with a Warrior unit cant he take on the entire Creator Empire? He would be pretty powerful 300x?
guyverfanatic Posted March 26, 2004 Posted March 26, 2004 Produce Guyver units? well get in line buddy the Grakens have been trying to replicate them for quite some time,Alkhanphel thinks in the long term no way is he going to go about producing guyver units now if you'd have said finding new ways to enhance the zoalord design that would have been oky.Sully is right the V1 unit with which he is bonded with can nearly match the potential of the prototype unit v5 if development work is carried out on it.Personaly i think he only needs a proper Hsl and another shield and once his forces have become powerful and inscreased in numbers then he could merge with a proper unit but right now it's nap time for him but i so hope he doesnt permanetly bond with the unit will take the fun out you know.But If a Master Zoalord merges with a Warrior unit cant he take on the entire Creator Empire? He would be pretty powerful 300x? Try 16,000x Frost. At full power Alk is 40x so with a regular unit with he would rate 4,000x but with a warrior unit he would be 16,000x.
Sully Posted March 26, 2004 Posted March 26, 2004 Hint two, what did Natahsa develop for Alkanphel's unit just before he merged with it? Why do you think she done that?
Frost Posted March 26, 2004 Posted March 26, 2004 40x? meaning he still hasnt reached the peak of his powers and 16,000x. i think im gonna faint that is a lot! even to date if Alkhanphel reaches full power there is no Creator warrior to date that can match him one on one .He could easily destroy the Creator Empire on his own if he were to bond with a warrior unit.
Frost Posted March 26, 2004 Posted March 26, 2004 Oky iv read the fic and the reason Alkhanphel favours his current unit is cause it's cm has a shield,body shield and warrior class vibrational swords along with a Hsl and with the passage of time Natasha can further enhance it but it wont ever be on par with Jason's prototype unit but it wont matter as Alkhanphel is a more powerful host, the unit V1 can also be removed if a better unit is found hence i believe if Alkhanphel finds a Warrior class unit he will definatly merge with it,He has been plain unlucky not to get a warrior unit till now as in the Assasin fic he had full intention of capturing the Life force guyver but was again unlucky and was yet unlucky when Natasha and Vamore merged with their respective units as he was and still is napping. The reason why he has forbidden all zoalords from merging with a guyver unit is simply because he doesnt trust them as if even one of them goes rouge i.e not follow his plan he will either end up fighting him/them and wasting precious time and resources or could get destroyed in the fight
Sully Posted March 26, 2004 Posted March 26, 2004 Oky iv read the fic and the reason Alkhanphel favours his current unit is cause it's cm has a shield,body shield and warrior class vibrational swords along with a Hsl and with the passage of time Natasha can further enhance it but it wont ever be on par with Jason's prototype unit but it wont matter as Alkhanphel is a more powerful host, the unit V1 can also be removed if a better unit is found hence i believe if Alkhanphel finds a Warrior class unit he will definatly merge with it,He has been plain unlucky not to get a warrior unit till now as in the Assasin fic he had full intention of capturing the Life force guyver but was again unlucky and was yet unlucky when Natasha and Vamore merged with their respective units as he was and still is napping.The reason why he has forbidden all zoalords from merging with a guyver unit is simply because he doesnt trust them as if even one of them goes rouge i.e not follow his plan he will either end up fighting him/them and wasting precious time and resources or could get destroyed in the fight I'll let you away with the double post as you where pretty much correct. Now ask yourself why Imakarum would allow a Vamore to use a unit?
Frost Posted March 26, 2004 Posted March 26, 2004 Well the reason Imakaru gave the Warrior unit to Vamore is because he joined Chronos willingly and thus has a natural loyalty to the organasation, the goals of Chronos are his hence no conflict of intrest.If Imakaru had given it to just anybody he would have gone 'Rouge' by this i mean he would follow his own goals/intrests and would be free of all mental stimilus thus making him 'out of control'.But a Kavzar has loyalty instruction encoded within him what if similar programming were to be given to a zoalord and then given a unit would he still become rouge?
Guest Posted March 27, 2004 Posted March 27, 2004 things don't look so bright for Alkanphel...he has his hands full dealing with the ACTF on earth. he has a long road ahead of him if he wants to create a army competent enough to handle the creators.
Guest Posted March 31, 2004 Posted March 31, 2004 Ok, so good ol Alky wont give any units cause the creators would decemate the earth. And the loyalty factor is something also. And they cant go somewhere else cause earth is a santuary. Plus he has is own unit that can be upgraded and/or switched out.
Guest Posted April 2, 2004 Posted April 2, 2004 Back to how the creators would decimate Earth at the creation of a Guyver Zoalord. They don't have to blow up the sun. If they wanted to end the problem once and for all. They would mearly have to stop all Fusion in the sun, although they would do this after the destruction of the Guyver Zoalord. This would be a far safer method for them to deal with the beings that pose such a threat. Namely humanity. And before you start to say that this isn't posible for them it should be noted that any race advanced enough to blow up a sun would surely have the means to mearly stop the sun from producing energy at all.
Sully Posted April 2, 2004 Posted April 2, 2004 Back to how the creators would decimate Earth at the creation of a Guyver Zoalord. They don't have to blow up the sun. If they wanted to end the problem once and for all. They would mearly have to stop all Fusion in the sun, although they would do this after the destruction of the Guyver Zoalord. This would be a far safer method for them to deal with the beings that pose such a threat. Namely humanity. And before you start to say that this isn't posible for them it should be noted that any race advanced enough to blow up a sun would surely have the means to mearly stop the sun from producing energy at all. It would not be a Guyver Zoalord, it would be Warrior Guyver Alkanphel..... Simply put unstopable.
Guest Posted April 2, 2004 Posted April 2, 2004 Ok, But if they stop the fusion in the sun wont something happen, like in star trek Generations? That would distroy the whole solor system. Plus a 16,000x's guyver is pretty unstopable. Plus if he gave a normal guyver unit to each zoalord in the conceil that is an army right there. Use some teleportaion powers and take the war to them!
Guest Posted April 3, 2004 Posted April 3, 2004 Astroguyver you are missing the whole point. Stopping the fusion of the sun does not create a boom or a bang. it mearly stops producing energy. Meaning no heat for the earth. Basically an eternal ice age. Yeah the Zoalords would survive. But humanity and the Zoanoids would not. So what would the Zoalords fight the creators with. Okay the Guyvers are still around, and the creators are seriously weakend. Still the creators will come out on top.
*zeo Posted April 3, 2004 Posted April 3, 2004 Actually Astroguyer has a point, stopping the fusion in the Sun would cause a massive gravitational shockwave, basically a gravity version of a Tsunami. Nothing much of anything would survive within the solar system. Remember Weltall2, the Sun is incredibly massive and acts much like a gaseous ball of fire. Its enormous size is partly due to the explosive energy it is constantly generating pushing its mass outward. Take that energy away and the Sun will collapse under its own weight. All that mass shifting into a compact dense ball would create a gravitational shock wave that would effect everything within the Sun's gravitational field. So like what was shown in Star Trek Generations, massive devastation would result though a Super Nova would be more a of sure thing if the Creators want to make sure to wipe out even a Guyver Zoalord.
Frost Posted April 3, 2004 Posted April 3, 2004 Well for starters we are talking about a WARRIOR guyver zoalord and he would be anything but stupid all he has to do is teleport out of the solar system and i am betting he can do that especially if it is Alkhanphel so Nova or Supernova it aint gonna matter cause he'll be on top of them (Core World) before they can think up anything. Gee this though come to mind does he knows the direction to the Core World? there arnt any road signs in space
*zeo Posted April 4, 2004 Posted April 4, 2004 Your forgetting three things. 1) It will take time to merge and get to his full power 2) A Super Nova will destroy everything for light years. 3) You're assuming the Creators don't have the power to block teleportation.
Armageddon Posted April 5, 2004 Posted April 5, 2004 You're assuming the Creators don't have the power to block teleportation. It was shown in the second part of the Assassin story that the creator Horrus used his Clan Ship to stop the Enforcer Kavzar and Co. from teleporting away.
Frost Posted April 6, 2004 Posted April 6, 2004 Enforcer Kavzar Prime couldnt teleport because Horus was mentally preventing him from doing so and they also have encoded instructions in all their creations to obey them so he must be using them Chronos has removed and included safe guards to protect all it's personal from the creator programming take Tonnin for example.A warrior unit will protect it's host from all mental stimulus. To date only the matrix can prevent all types of teleportation from happening. The Warrior guyver zoalord should be up and at full power in a couple of minutes it wont take hours as a warrior unit has an efficient Hsl system not some half baked dimension coupler which the Grakkens use hence it will meet all his energy needs. A zoalord can naturally teleport without the warrior unit and once he merges with the unit this ability will be further enhanced so i believe he should be able to teleport himself out of the area.
Guest Posted April 6, 2004 Posted April 6, 2004 The Warrior guyver zoalord should be up and at full power in a couple of minutes it wont take hours as a warrior unit has an efficient Hsl system not some half baked dimension coupler which the Grakkens use hence it will meet all his energy needs. A zoalord can naturally teleport without the warrior unit and once he merges with the unit this ability will be further enhanced so i believe he should be able to teleport himself out of the area. Well from what I understand, it would take a while because the unit would have to adjust to the power level of the host, so despite the HSL system it would still take a while. At least thats how I understood it anyway.
*zeo Posted April 7, 2004 Posted April 7, 2004 Correct Riven, it will take time for unit and host to fully adjust to each other. The WG Zoalord will be extremely powerful but it will still have to follow the laws of conservation of energy though Frost is right that it won't take hours but even minutes is too long as it would only take the Creators seconds to act. . . Frost, you are correct that EKP was telepathically handicaped by Horus but that does not mean the Creators don't have the ability to block teleportation. They may not have Matrixes but they still have very advance technology. Besides, a Super Nova will effect hyper space so even if he does teleport he'll still get vaporized. Also a Super Nova travels very fast so he'd be lucky to even sense it coming before it hits. There is also a possibility the Super Nova itself could block teleportation because its intense energy would destabilize local space time.
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