Guest Posted October 19, 2003 Posted October 19, 2003 I was thinking about how Chronos created Enzyme with the specific purpose to kill the guyver with its armor eating enzymes. On several occasions it proved effective, but enzyme can always be killed from long range with a Guyver's megasmasher, or pressure cannon. So I figured what of another zoanoid was created specifically for the purpose to kill a guyver, but is much stronger than any enzyme zoanoid ever created. But unlike the enzyme, it would infect the guyver with a virus, one that would inhibit it from healing itself and the host from all injuries. Just think if a guyver couldn't heal itself, how could it survive, let alone the host
Sully Posted October 19, 2003 Posted October 19, 2003 Heres where you've to remember the old scince classes from school (that or the classes you went to sucked or you where asleep). An Enzyme is a catalysis. It starts a reaction. In the case of Enzyme Zoanoid it starts a reaction that causes the breakdown of the organisim of the Guyver. This is very differant to a virus. Which is a microorganism. BUT if you can design a Creature to do it why can't you design a single celled creature with the Enzyme inside it??? Note: You do not need a zoanoid to spred this, people could cary it and it would only be like a comon cold to them. But to a Guyver it would be lethal. You also have another problem. That is a Guyver unit & host have an immune system. If it learns how to defeat the virus then it is useless.
Guest Posted October 19, 2003 Posted October 19, 2003 I like the creativity in new combat strategies. Releasing a virus, there are several possibilities (hehe, like giving it to humans for dispencery-to think, that Mitzuky could be used to kill Sho). You could also use a retro virus to make it more difficult to eliminate. But because a Guyver can even rebuild a brain, it has demonstrated the ability to control things very effectivly on the cellular level. Thus, any virus has some fierce competition. Just a thought though... would Chronos really want to release something like this? I meen, it would make it a little risky to ever bond with a Unit-G. That would meen, um, not wanting to be a Guyver Zoalord.
Guest Posted October 19, 2003 Posted October 19, 2003 If chronos developed a virus for a G-unit dont u think they would be able to create an antidote
*zeo Posted October 19, 2003 Posted October 19, 2003 Problems is viruses mutate and anything that can effect a Guyver will have to mutate rapidly to keep ahead of the Guyver immune system so making a cure would be next to impossible unless it is something simple like a low level electricution to rupture the virus and cause them to die enmass and something the Guyver itself can't do to itself.
Guest Posted October 19, 2003 Posted October 19, 2003 But even if the virus had to mutate its basic DNA would stay the same so chronos could make some thing that would destroy this DNA making the virus useless or dead
*zeo Posted October 20, 2003 Posted October 20, 2003 If it was that simple to develop a cure for a Virus we would already have cured the common cold. It is much easier to develop a virus than it is to develop a cure. Once it mutates an entirely new cure would have to developed, each time. Considering how much it would take for a virus to keep up with a Guyver immune system I don't see them coming up with a biological cure.
Guest Posted October 20, 2003 Posted October 20, 2003 In response to Sully's reply, if the virus was designed to act upon the Guyver's own immune system, like the HIV virus does to human beings, then I doubt the host's immune system would even stand a chance. We haven't even found a cure for AIDS yet, so how could a guyver be cured by something that is ten times worse?
Sully Posted October 20, 2003 Posted October 20, 2003 In response to Sully's reply, if the virus was designed to act upon the Guyver's own immune system, like the HIV virus does to human beings, then I doubt the host's immune system would even stand a chance. We haven't even found a cure for AIDS yet, so how could a guyver be cured by something that is ten times worse? Because it is a Guyver
Guest Posted October 20, 2003 Posted October 20, 2003 In my opinion I doubt Chronos could develope a virus for a guyver simply because they would have understand the delicate relationship between organic and machine parts and host and unit and I believe at that piont they could start making there own somewhat good units. Also with half the time that might take they could just develope a new zoinoid like a new enzime that could shoot enough acid to melt the entire guyver then just stomp on hi CM a couple times
Thunder Demon Posted January 29, 2004 Posted January 29, 2004 Consider this: In order for anything to become immune to something, it has to be exposed to it. For example: we'll call the first type of cold, Cold A. If Cold A is caught and spread by person A to person B, C, D, and E. Then they overcome Cold A. Cold A must then mutate to be able to reinfect Person A, B, C, D, E. However, this is only the case that our immune systems adapt. If, for any reason whatsoever, our systems did not adjust to the version Cold A, then Cold A would never turn into Cold B, C, D, and E. Any exposure to a bacteria, or virus is such like this. The only one exception I am awre of is the HIV (AIDS), and all of the other viral STDs. However, in the case of the Guyver Virus, the virus itself (For the sake of argument, we'll call it GV) may adapt to the Guyver as well as the Guyver will adapt to the virus, but IF the GV were to adapt completely, then it not only will become lethal to the Guyver, but also possibly to the carrier. This would mean that not only would Sho die, but Tetsuro, and any other HUMAN BEING or organic thing would die as well. Not only would Chronos have to beable to cure the first wave of the Virus, but they would also have to very quickly learn how to quickly develop an antidote for any other form. This would mean that not the viral outbreak would eventually become an epidemic if it was not properly released, placed into the desired target, etc. MEANING: It would eventually kill everything, even the Zoalords.
Guest Posted January 30, 2004 Posted January 30, 2004 Yes, But what if the virus was not living and infact Techno. Like Nano machines or smaller.
Thunder Demon Posted January 30, 2004 Posted January 30, 2004 Mmm. Good point. Duly noted. That would be different. That is also assuming that one could do that to begin with.
Guest Posted January 30, 2004 Posted January 30, 2004 Zeo, would you like to tell them about cowpox? The milkmaid story is a good one
*zeo Posted January 31, 2004 Posted January 31, 2004 Ok, to everyone who doesn't know what YoungGuyver is refereing to. Cowpox is one of the orthopox viruses, one of which is the more lethal Smallpox. The milkmaid story is of how vaccination came into play when people realized that those that had been infected with relatively harmless cowpox effectively became immune to smallpox. You can look it up in more detail here http://www.myhero.com/myhero/hero.asp?hero=jenner http://www.s-books.com/wbmedical/30491/30823/3.htm As for the Nanites they are in their own way even more dangerous than any conceivable virus, depending on the level of technology and what the nanites are designed to do. Hint: We even have a fan fic character based on that premise.
Guest Posted January 31, 2004 Posted January 31, 2004 Of course, the problem with nanites is due to their small size they can't really shield themselves against EMI (ElectroMagnetic Interference) and ESD (ElectroStatic Discharge).
*zeo Posted February 1, 2004 Posted February 1, 2004 (edited) A possible vulnerability but that depends on the level of technology and its ability to adapt. Electricity and EMP is only a problem if 1) It directly affects the frequency used by the nanites and 2) The nanites are electronic based instead of optical or other alternative technology. A good example of advance nanites that are electronic based would be Star Trek Borg. Highly advance but still vulnerable to high frequency energy discharges and certain forms of radiation. Though in large numbers they can adapt to nearly anything. Nanites also have the advantage over viruses because they can work together so millions or more can easily act as one. So FOG3 you better have a random frequency generator attached to that Van de Graaff generator or you're going to have one ticked off Cyber Guyver on your hands Speaking of which, there are still at least two other Guyver fan fic characters that use Nanites. Can anyone name them? Edited February 1, 2004 by Guest
guyverfanatic Posted February 1, 2004 Posted February 1, 2004 Oy, uh, Cyber Guyver of the Great War universe and um one of Matt's character's who's name escapes me at the moment. Edit: I think it would be Ken....
Guest Posted February 1, 2004 Posted February 1, 2004 Speaking of which, there are still at least two other Guyver fan fic characters that use Nanites. Can anyone name them? Do you mean just the ones that actively use them or have in anyway shape or form been affected by them
*zeo Posted February 1, 2004 Posted February 1, 2004 All of them as it helps show at least some of the ways nanites can effect certain characters.
xtro guyver Posted February 1, 2004 Posted February 1, 2004 Nano Xetel and the deceased Nano Guyver from gwog both used nanites
*zeo Posted February 1, 2004 Posted February 1, 2004 That leaves just one. Of the group though Cyber Guyver is the best example of a Guyver being infected with nanites that were not intended to be beneficial and shows one possible outcome of such an infection.
Zeus Thunderbolt Posted February 1, 2004 Posted February 1, 2004 Erm There has been Cyber Guyver, Nano Xetel, Nano Guyver and Robo Guyver mentioned, Does the Cyber Guyver include Cyber Guyver Dark (the green armour with the cyber guyver memorys) ? And Guyver 2?
*zeo Posted February 1, 2004 Posted February 1, 2004 Yes, Guyver 2 is the last example. At least for Guyver fan fic examples.
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