thanosfan82586 Posted March 16, 2003 Posted March 16, 2003 How does Alkanphel expect to defeat the entire Creator Empire? Even if everyone on Earth was turned into a Bio-Titan their forces would still pale in comparison to those of the Creators. Alkanphel, Kron, GPZ, Tonnin, the Chronos guyvers, bio-titans, and the elite zoalords are the only ones capable of hurting the Kavzars. But the Kavzars easily outnumber them not to mention the Commander and Enforcer Kavzar.
Guest Posted March 16, 2003 Posted March 16, 2003 A Bio Titan is about 2x-3x a guyver all in, and so is a Kavzar(though a Kavzar has a HSL), they are both similar in the way they fight, they are weak indevidually, but in numbers are very dangerous. The Kavzar Commanders are about 10x, just about the same as the Elite Zoalords and also fight in similar ways, commanding and combining there warriors attacks. The Enforcer Kavzarz are 25x-30x and are like stand alone armys, and suprime commanders, but in total there are only 5000 of them and the take huge amounts of resources to make, in chronos at this time there are quite a few warriors that could fight them, and if the creators attacked, the whole of the earth would combine and fight them. Alkenphel only needed more time if he had that he would have put up a very good fight, though the numbers are against him now as he has to fight the human forces first. Think of it if the warrior guyver had not told the creators about chronos, the would never have known and he would have had all the time ha needed to make a large enough army.
thanosfan82586 Posted March 16, 2003 Author Posted March 16, 2003 So he was more or less goin for a sneak attack. The bio-titans wouldn't be very effective unless they were reprocessed to survive longer in space. In All Things Change part 3 Kron even says the bio-titans can't survive in space for more than a few minutes. Most of the battles would most likely occur in space. Enough bio-titans linked together could probably take out a Creator clan ship though.
Guest Posted March 16, 2003 Posted March 16, 2003 Yeah but the Bio Titans a realativly new, if given more time they could be made to survive in space like the Zoalords can.
Guest Posted March 16, 2003 Posted March 16, 2003 if alk got a powerful enough unit he could fight chronos on his own, he just need to find out how to make guyver units and the tide would be turned. imagine an army of guyver bio titans
Guest Posted March 16, 2003 Posted March 16, 2003 He would have an army of super strong beings he could not control it would be worse than one guyver zoalord.
xtro guyver Posted March 16, 2003 Posted March 16, 2003 Well what if Chrouns made a mass producable version of krons bio unit that would work with the bio titans, giving them higher power and a greater range of ablitites. Though its unlikly to happen after the events of all things change an alliance betwwen chrouns and the greaken could be deadly, as chrouns has advanced zoa form tech and the greaken know how to make guyver units using the gigantic type control metals
Guest Posted March 16, 2003 Posted March 16, 2003 The Bio Armor only makes Kron a third stronger, so the Bio Titans would be 4x a guyver, yeah that would be good, but Chronos don't have the resorces to produce that many of them that it would make a difference.
Guest Posted March 16, 2003 Posted March 16, 2003 you could control them if you put the mechnism on them which all the guyver test units from the creators have so if they turn against the creators they candestroy them. so if alk used the same technologly he could self destruct guyver bio titans from turn against him.
Guest Posted March 16, 2003 Posted March 16, 2003 So far only the creators know how to do this, even the grakkens can't do it and they have been fighting the creators for thousands of years, the only way Alkenphal could dicover how is, one to get a hold of a matrix or two capture a creator, neither is very likely to happen.
Guest Posted March 17, 2003 Posted March 17, 2003 chronos don't even know how to make guyver units and they only way the will find out is to attack the creators to gain the knowledge of guyver unit on the way may be able to captture two creators to find out how they did the process or steal the information from the creators themselves . get hold of a matrix would not be that hard if creator declared war on earth as actf and chronos would need to ally to fight creators sharing items and weapons in the process i.e matrix.
Guest Posted March 17, 2003 Posted March 17, 2003 Alkenphel has many resources available to him that could give him the edge against the creators, he is on a world where the most advanced tech in the universe is and the earth is also a protected zone, so he is safe for the moment and has more time to prepare himself against them. So I think he has a chance to make the kind of breakthrough that could turn the tide in his favour.
Guest Posted March 17, 2003 Posted March 17, 2003 Why doesn't alk transform all his guyvers into zoanoids? Or does the fact they are guyvers make this impossible?
Zeus Thunderbolt Posted March 17, 2003 Posted March 17, 2003 yep the fact that they are guyvers make the fact that they cannot become zoanoids(they may be able to be turned into zoanoids but as soon as they bioboost they would revert back to a human guyver i think)
thanosfan82586 Posted March 17, 2003 Author Posted March 17, 2003 If the Creators felt Alk was a threat they could just remove the protection and annihilate him.
guyverfanatic Posted March 17, 2003 Posted March 17, 2003 yep the fact that they are guyvers make the fact that they cannot become zoanoids(they may be able to be turned into zoanoids but as soon as they bioboost they would revert back to a human guyver i think) That's not true Zeus Thunderbolt. Why is GPZ so powerful? Because he is a hyper zoanoid guyver.
Guest Posted March 17, 2003 Posted March 17, 2003 All of the earth would fight them if they invaded, a combination of so many unknowns would make the creators wary and with so many unique beings on the planet the creators would want to study them for a while before they attacked
Zeus Thunderbolt Posted March 17, 2003 Posted March 17, 2003 yep the fact that they are guyvers make the fact that they cannot become zoanoids(they may be able to be turned into zoanoids but as soon as they bioboost they would revert back to a human guyver i think) That's not true Zeus Thunderbolt. Why is GPZ so powerful? Because he is a hyper zoanoid guyver. guyver powered zerabubus was a powered zerabubus BEFORE he became a guyver
guyverfanatic Posted March 17, 2003 Posted March 17, 2003 THat's my point ZT. He was a hyper zoanoid before he became a guyver and the guyver unit just boosts his ablities 100x.
xtro guyver Posted March 17, 2003 Posted March 17, 2003 What I belive Zeus was getting at was that once a normal human becomes a guyver there gentic structure cannot be altered, meaning if you tried to turn a human guyver into a zoanoid the unit would most likly activate straght away and keep the hosts dna the same. GPZ was a zoanoid when he became a guyver, their fore its his normal dna as far as the unit is concerned, which is why he isn't changed to a normal human. The only way chrouns coud change their human guyvers would be to remove their units then zoamorph them and then give em back their units.
Zeus Thunderbolt Posted March 17, 2003 Posted March 17, 2003 What I belive Zeus was getting at was that once a normal human becomes a guyver there gentic structure cannot be altered, meaning if you tried to turn a human guyver into a zoanoid the unit would most likly activate straght away and keep the hosts dna the same. GPZ was a zoanoid when he became a guyver, their fore its his normal dna as far as the unit is concerned, which is why he isn't changed to a normal human. The only way chrouns coud change their human guyvers would be to remove their units then zoamorph them and then give em back their units. thanks Xtro, if chronos did remove some of the units from their agents, i would start with the guyver zoanoid and givve the unit to anouther host and there is no point of removing the units and turning the formere hosts into zoanoids and giving tehm back when you could just take the unit off and give it strait way to a hyper zoanoid
guyverfanatic Posted March 17, 2003 Posted March 17, 2003 Take the units from Female GUyver 2 and Guyver zoanoid and give them to a biotitan and a Neo-Zektole. ACTF would be screwed.
Lost Soul Posted March 18, 2003 Posted March 18, 2003 Take the units from Female GUyver 2 and Guyver zoanoid and give them to a biotitan and a Neo-Zektole. ACTF would be screwed. True Guyverfanatic, but who ensures that those two will follow Chronos like GPZ does? To high a risk for Chronos since a Guyver Bio-Titan might be even worse than Dreadnought if he turns against them.
guyverfanatic Posted March 18, 2003 Posted March 18, 2003 True Guyverfanatic, but who ensures that those two will follow Chronos like GPZ does? To high a risk for Chronos since a Guyver Bio-Titan might be even worse than Dreadnought if he turns against them. Well you have a point there, but if they are that high ranking of zoanoids, I would guess that they are still loyal to Chronos.
thanosfan82586 Posted March 18, 2003 Author Posted March 18, 2003 Take the units from Female GUyver 2 and Guyver zoanoid and give them to a biotitan and a Neo-Zektole. ACTF would be screwed. Alk could always use one on himself and one of the other zoalords. Then the Creators and the ACTF would be in deep trouble.
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