xtro guyver Posted February 4, 2003 Posted February 4, 2003 I thought i'd ask you guys what you reckon the best warrior unit type is, by this I mean base units with no upgrades made to them so don't put down the likes of Zeus or Dreadnought please. I reckon best is the prototpe unit(WG, WG5, FWG) cause of the gravity sheild Followed by the third type of warrior unit (WGC) cause of the powerful comment attack its got Then comes the type two unit(WG2, WG3) though it has a higher power level then the other two it can't raise its sheilds to take what the other two can take and it can only sheild one way Then we have the type four (WG4) which is last due to lack of any advanced shields, all it has is the body and pressure cannon.
Sully Posted February 4, 2003 Posted February 4, 2003 This one is hard to say. The fact is that the Prototypes units where not what Solom was after. He was in fact after the finished result (namely WG2 as the version of unit he wanted). But because of the Black Nova unit (which logically he feared in replacing his unit) e designed a new prototype to face it, the first versions of which failed (Life Force Guyver) and the 5th units which worked, Jason's. It was the fact that Solom designed a system to face down other beings with Gravity based weapons that allowed WG to kill the Guyver Zoalord. It was also the fact that WG was designed to face a far weaker being that the power serge from Guyver Zoalords attack and handlling all that other energy overloaded his control medal in Time War. You've also not see the full project. The obove is one specised unit, the fact that Solom figured he could make one find of unit focused on taking down gravity beings efectivly meant that he "could" have designed other different units focused on others. That is about the only hint on that you'll get. But look at it this way, take Black Nova, a 10x powerful Guyver and take into account that all her pressue cannon style weapons could not harm the prototype unit and you'll see what I mean. The unit is simply designed to explote weakness. Add in the Genesis project (a cocoon designed to double their firepower) and any specialised unit could take down those its designed too. SO I say all of them are Great, just WG4 is crap on that list
Zeus Thunderbolt Posted February 4, 2003 Posted February 4, 2003 I thought i'd ask you guys what you reckon the best warrior unit type is, by this I mean base units with no upgrades made to them so don't put down the likes of Zeus or Dreadnought please.I reckon best is the prototpe unit(WG, WG5, FWG) cause of the gravity sheild Followed by the third type of warrior unit (WGC) cause of the powerful comment attack its got Then comes the type two unit(WG2, WG3) though it has a higher power level then the other two it can't raise its sheilds to take what the other two can take and it can only sheild one way Then we have the type four (WG4) which is last due to lack of any advanced shields, all it has is the body and pressure cannon. what about fays unit
xtro guyver Posted February 4, 2003 Author Posted February 4, 2003 While we are the topic on warrior units alk was the first warrior protype made and was lefted unfished while life force was the 4 and everything worked accept the hsl with jasons unit being number 5 where everything worked. So what about numbers 2 and 3, i'm guesing that solom tried a two processor design, at some point with one of them, are they still around somewhere on earth and will be showing up later in the fic, and i'm guessing their power level on a human host could be anything between 1 to 3 times a normal guyver. WG2 was what solom was after add the gensis project and you get Zeus, while black nova was the end result of the nova project add here upgrade and you get dark nova which has a lot more power than Zeus does no wonder solom was scarded of the nova project since dreadnought only rivals dark nova cause of the matrix in his CM and I'm guessing in the WG2 world that the matrix was made long after the warrior project was finished so solom could never of thought of trying to put one in CM. To Zeus i didn't add fays unit as it is an upgraded unit its a type 2 unit thats had mark 2 tech applied to it so it doesn't count as a normal warrior unit
Zeus Thunderbolt Posted February 4, 2003 Posted February 4, 2003 While we are the topic on warrior units alk was the first warrior protype made and was lefted unfished while life force was the 4 and everything worked accept the hsl with jasons unit being number 5 where everything worked. So what about numbers 2 and 3, i'm guesing that solom tried a two processor design, at some point with one of them, are they still around somewhere on earth and will be showing up later in the fic, and i'm guessing their power level on a human host could be anything between 1 to 3 times a normal guyver.WG2 was what solom was after add the gensis project and you get Zeus, while black nova was the end result of the nova project add here upgrade and you get dark nova which has a lot more power than Zeus does no wonder solom was scarded of the nova project since dreadnought only rivals dark nova cause of the matrix in his CM and I'm guessing in the WG2 world that the matrix was made long after the warrior project was finished so solom could never of thought of trying to put one in CM. To Zeus i didn't add fays unit as it is an upgraded unit its a type 2 unit thats had mark 2 tech applied to it so it doesn't count as a normal warrior unit test units 2 and 3 where the battle guyver unit and turbo guyver units i think
Sully Posted February 4, 2003 Posted February 4, 2003 test units 2 and 3 where the battle guyver unit and turbo guyver units i think Nope, different projects before the Warrior Project.
xtro guyver Posted February 4, 2003 Author Posted February 4, 2003 Basically Zeus the point of the warrior project was to combine the powers of the shadow(clocking, holograms and HSL), turbo(power boosting) and battle(Sheilds and HSL) units in to one unit the warrior unit. What Solom had in mind was WG2 but ended up making WG unit to counter the nova project, so at the moment Brain has yet to tell us anything about the 2nd and 3rd warrior prototype units, though they probly share more in common with WG2 then WG as LFG was the first atempt to make a unit to stand up to black nova, plus they will most likly have either 2 or 3 processors since the one processor design in alks unit wouldn't work at all and WG was the first to have the 4 processor while LFG had 3 processors in the CM. hope this clears thing up for you
Sully Posted February 4, 2003 Posted February 4, 2003 You have to realise one thing though. In the main WG fic Solom was competing against the Black Nova really as his main rival. Unknown result of battle really, Guyevr Zoalord ruined it. But who knows, Fiona and the new host of the Black Nova 2 could fight each other, but highly unlikely. In the Strange Worlds, it was the Nova Project that was clearly about to win out whic left the WG project looking really out of date. Dark Nova was a possibility and there was no Genesis cocoon to speak of. Lead to war and death of all Creators concerned. In WG2 universe though, it was the other way around. The WG project was way ahead and there was no Nova Project at all to speak of by modren times. But the fact WG was there as he is in the main fic stands to say the Prototype done as required and defeated the Black Nova.
xtro guyver Posted February 4, 2003 Author Posted February 4, 2003 I'm guesesing that the Guyver Zoalord incedent put a stop to the dark nova unit being made which is why the only one to be found was in the FWG universe where the nova project was ahead of the warrior project. I take it at some point in the fic it will be explained why the nova project changed from fusson based units starfire and novablaze, to gravity based units nova storm and black nova. plus their was that armour thing that was found in the nova relic in dark tides a possiable prototype to the dark nova unit perhaps. We haven't heard as much about the oher projects running at the time other than the twilight and kavzar projects, i asume more were running but failed to produce a unit that could stand up to Guyver Supream.
*zeo Posted February 5, 2003 Posted February 5, 2003 Answer can easily be found in a good physics book. Simply a matter of power generation. Fusion allows a significant percentage of matter to be converted into energy but not all of it. Using a singularity at the heart of a black hole allows 100% of matter to be converted into energy, nothing except matter/anti-matter annihilation can come even close to producing that much energy from matter. So WG project had HSL while Nova project developed a controllable singularity. A bit of a desperate move if you think about it. HSL can be shut down if it malfunctions, but if BN lost containment then goodbye everyone within range of the black hole. Something to consider if you compare the WG unit with the BN unit. As for history for Strange World universe, you'll have to wait for that answer.
xtro guyver Posted February 5, 2003 Author Posted February 5, 2003 Singularity is a bit drastic I remember an ep TNG where the Romulans had a problem with their sigularity, which caused pockets of slowed down space time to float all over the place, causing all sorts of choas, certainly don't want anyone to try and slice DN's CM apart the effects would be nasty i'm guessing, its almost as dangerous as putting the W'kar element in gregs unit from the GWOG fic. Speaking of Wkar it be nice if he could have rematch with mei now that shes dark nova, that would be fun.
Sully Posted February 5, 2003 Posted February 5, 2003 As much as a I like TNG this is not star trek. Nuff said As for a rematch that would be cool, but I'd rather see her fight Dreadnought first
xtro guyver Posted February 5, 2003 Author Posted February 5, 2003 I know its not star trek brian but i was just giving an example as to how a singuality can be dangerous when you lose control of it. A fight between Dark nova and Dreadnought would nice since neither of them could use their powerful gravity attacks, cause of their gravity sheilds.
Sully Posted February 5, 2003 Posted February 5, 2003 Anyway to bring this post back on topic, after thinking about it, WG Protype 5th version would be beaten in a fight by WG2. Reason been pure speed, WG2 is just simply faster and has more firepower not all of which is gravity based. So I vote for WG2 as the best WG design of the basic units not upgraded units. Could such a unit beat a Guyver Zoalord, not a chance in hell, but still it is a better design overal.
*zeo Posted February 5, 2003 Posted February 5, 2003 True, WG2 unit has some distinct advantages over the 5th prototype WG unit. But it's mainly firepower though. Without Barrier Shield and CPM's, both units are virtually the same. The WG2 unit augmentation are just more practical for most battle conditions, while the prototype has an advantage only when gravity plays a major role in battle or if battle is long enough to give it time to charge up the Barrier shield. Also note: The ability to use the CPM to boost speed and strength is unique to human hosted units, readers might remember WG2 Solom surprise when WG2 first used his CPM's to boost himself, it's the Guyver factor. But other advatages of unit are universal.
Sully Posted February 6, 2003 Posted February 6, 2003 Ahh, but we are talking about the best desgined Guyver, so in other words we are talking about the best managed "mistake". WG2 is still the best managed mistake there is compared to the Prototype WG and WGC.
Zeus Thunderbolt Posted February 6, 2003 Posted February 6, 2003 Ahh, but we are talking about the best desgined Guyver, so in other words we are talking about the best managed "mistake". WG2 is still the best managed mistake there is compared to the Prototype WG and WGC. even though wg2 and wg3 units are the same, i would choose the wg3 unit basically because its got my favorite colours
xtro guyver Posted February 6, 2003 Author Posted February 6, 2003 True thanks to the CMP boosting WG2 can beat WG prototype as he was beating WG5 all over the place back in all things changed even managed to damage his control metal leading to WG5 being made into a jason clone. Though i think wee all agree that WG4 is the weakest WG types due to a lack of either CMP or blast field ablities
Zeus Thunderbolt Posted February 6, 2003 Posted February 6, 2003 True thanks to the CMP boosting WG2 can beat WG prototype as he was beating WG5 all over the place back in all things changed even managed to damage his control metal leading to WG5 being made into a jason clone. Though i think wee all agree that WG4 is the weakest WG types due to a lack of either CMP or blast field ablities warrior guyver 4 was a prototype made by soloms son when he was trying to re create his fathers work i think
xtro guyver Posted February 6, 2003 Author Posted February 6, 2003 You right their Zeus perhaps WG4 has things in comon with WG prototypes 2 and 3 that we yet to see as i'm sure that krullnar would have had a chance to look at them since him and his father had planned to apply warrior tech to kavzars after the project was a success as in the WG2 universe
Zeus Thunderbolt Posted February 6, 2003 Posted February 6, 2003 You right their Zeus perhaps WG4 has things in comon with WG prototypes 2 and 3 that we yet to see as i'm sure that krullnar would have had a chance to look at them since him and his father had planned to apply warrior tech to kavzars after the project was a success as in the WG2 universe krullnar made wg4 years after his farther dissapered and created it using what he must have remembered on how to create a warrior unit (solum must have done most of the work)
*zeo Posted February 7, 2003 Posted February 7, 2003 krullnar made wg4 years after his farther dissapered and created it using what he must have remembered on how to create a warrior unit (solum must have done most of the work) Actually, the the Creators lost all hard data on the Warrior Project when they lost Solom. Even Krullnar did not have much knowledge on how the Warrior Unit worked, so he made the WG4 after he backwards engineered the technology from the arm WG lost during his fight with Guyver Zoalord. So WG4 basically shows where they are now in recreating the Warrior technology. It's been very slow for them up till now because they needed the Earth to recreate the more important experiments and could not go to Earth till now. It's their primary purpose for returning after all this time so they can fill in the holes in their research.
xtro guyver Posted February 11, 2003 Author Posted February 11, 2003 Also explains why krulnar is happy that WG5 is now considred a failure, since it had the same power level as the orginal but has the problem that damage the the control metal may make regenerate a jason clone instead of the host, so although his warrior unit is weaker than the clone it hasn't malfuctioned, all he needs is look at something like LFG and he has all he needs to make a warrior unit equal to his fathers.
*zeo Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 Also explains why krulnar is happy that WG5 is now considred a failure, since it had the same power level as the orginal but has the problem that damage the the control metal may make regenerate a jason clone instead of the host, so although his warrior unit is weaker than the clone it hasn't malfuctioned, all he needs is look at something like LFG and he has all he needs to make a warrior unit equal to his fathers. Main thing Krullnar has to recreate is the Warrior Unit Control Medal. It is the main reason why the WG5 failed and why WG4 is less powerful than the other WG's. Though similar in appearance and function, the CM's of those two units are not as powerful as the Original WG CM. Ex: Though WG5 appears to be identical to WG, WG's CM has withstood a lot more powerful attacks than a CPM blast without taking damage.
xtro guyver Posted February 12, 2003 Author Posted February 12, 2003 I'm also guessing that WG5 couldn't handel as a high a gravity sheild charge as WG and his CM would have likly blow up if he had tried to build the gravity sheild to the level WG had to kill the Guyver Zoalord I bet Krullnar would love to get his hands on detailed scan of the WG CM now thats it merged with the matrix shame that jason would have have to be willing to allow it as i doubt krullnar has anything that can out smart a matix
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