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Well there is nothing wrong with having the Gigantic having 100x smashers, and others havinh something lesser. Besides, here's a good question. We're so keen on looking at a straight 100x power difference. Maybe the 100x is included in a wider range. For instance, we can say the Gigantic is actually 50x in brute power, but has twice the range or twice the width of the beam. Just an idea. Personally, the way the Warrior Guyver is originally should be fine. I mean a 4x character vs. the 5x Gigantic should make things interesting when you think about it. The Gigantic could have the brute strength, but the Warrior Guyver could have the speed and the stamina. Afterall, a speedy character with alot of stamina would win over a stronger opponent. Look at Ali's fight with Foreman. Ali won through having better stamina and was fast. Foreman looked like was going to win because he was hitting Ali so much with hard punches, but when he got tired, Ali came through and knocked out Foreman. Personally the ratios between smashers and the shields should be about the same.

He going to have need some sort of storage in case it's cloudy...

Generally I'd say between 4x to 6x for the new Warrior Guyver estimates. Maybe with the Warrior Guyver's mega smashers being 4x as well, and the blast shield could be capable of withstanding a 4x mega smasher. Personally, though you start raising the power levels for Warrior Guyver, the other characters like Nova Guyver would have to be raised or altered to make everything fit. For instance, if we maintain that the Warrior Guyver will always be doubled the power of a Gigantic. Then that would mean WG will be a 10x character, and WG2 might be capable of 20x depending if we still go with the CPM equals one WG level boost. Then Black Nova would have to be a 25x character, and Dark Nova could be 40x as well. Then of course if WG2 can boost his power to 20x, then of course in he wouldn't be all that bad in the Meeting crossover fic. So in conclusion? Keeping the Warrior Guyver the way he is now would be better and just say that Gigantic is a truly powerful unit as well.

That's also another issue too, is the Gigantics between the two universes. For instance GWoTG is a 2x character, while the older WG was 2x as well. But with the new Chronicles the Gigantic may well be a 4x character. The Giga smashers in GWotG is defintely not 100x. Maybe if Allen ever comes back and does his own Chronicles, it'll be different then.

Thanks to zeo, he saved this second attempt for me. It would have sucked to lose this as well. Alright if anyone remembered, we were discussing the difference between the WG universe and GWoTG universe in terms of power levels. For example whether or not the standard Guyver is equal to each other in either universe. Now personally I think they are. But there is one problem is that in WG, a Guyver cannot get stronger on their own without getting a newer unit or getting an upgrade. Whereas Guyvers in GWotG can get stronger through physical training of the host's bodies. Now some say this was stated in the case of Fighter Guyver, well remember it was stated once before that standard Guyvers can do this too. Now with Fighter Guyver someone said he could get stronger because he is afterall a True W'Kar unit. This is true, but remember that when W'Kar evolves he develops unique abilities and technologies. For example in W'Kar's 2nd or 3rd Evolution he had what was basically a normal Control Medal style, whereas if he was completely healed he would have a different Control Medal type. Fighter Guyver was more Guyver-like than his brother. Second, W'Kar himself got stronger as well. Remember that for first ten years of his unit's activation he had the body of a 16 year old. So, when the Kregen aged him, it boosted his power by ~6% because of a bigger and more adult body. Now, my last two posts on this subject also addressed Guyver Alkanphal of GWoTG vs. Warrior Alkanphel of WG. Alkanpha/els of either universe practically destroyed a small moon. We really do not know (I don't know either because I don't have that particular manga) the size of that moon that prwctically destroyed. He did like zeo stated stop the momentum of the small moon and destroyed all but a small part of it which got past him. If this is the 1 Ceres asteroid which is about 950 km in diameter (largest asteroid in the solar system) then it would have took a 85 teraton explosion of TNT to fragment it. BTW when I mean fragment, I mean pieces no larger than a meter in diameter. If it was the 4 Vesta which is 530 km in diameter, it would take about 14 teratons to vaporize it. Of course the most extreme would be something the size of the moon itself, which it would take 4,200 teratons to fragment it. But of course Albass's old datafile states that her attack is 150x a mega smasher. She is stated to be even stronger than Guyver Alkanphal. She is only a 28x to 34x character while WG's Alkanphel is a 40x character. Guyver Alkanphal's bio level was stated a few times be in 36,000 range as well. Assuming that Alkanphe/al of both univeres can produce a maximum of a 100 teratons, and Albass's 150x figure is correct. It would mean that a standard Guyver's mega smashers alone are equal to 666 gigatons each, whereas WG's standard Guyvers can produce only 500 tons. Over a billion times more powerful. So what do you think?

It definitely would be. But wouldn't it take some time to charge it anyway?

His old datafile states he has a lack of a W'Kar element. So I think that was the intention. I think because the W'Kar technology is actually inferior to that of the Warrior Guyver in some areas, it might actually greatly enhance others than some. For instance, the HSL would greatly enhance FG's strength in many areas. The Matrix might even give Fighter Guyver a pyramid shaped control medal (but W'Kar sized). I think Fighter Guyver would be easily a 30x character, with some added abilites from a few mutations.

Ok, we know that Fighter Guyver was enhanced with Mk. II by the Creator ship when his control medal was damaged by the leader Jy-Taki. So what would happen if he had the Matrix enhance his control medal instead? Of course it would be far longer to enhance. Now how powerful would the Warrior Fighter Guyver be? He was around 6 to 8x power level. Do you think the Matrix would recover some of the lost abilities the True W'Kar unit had? I mean the Matrix might give Fighter Guyver a HSL system with a Darmon backup, combned with a recovered Eenergy Draining system, might be useful. On top of that with the Hyperspace Orb useless, do you think the Matrix might make that into a weapon?

Syn doesn't have a Guyver unit. I think that's Apothecary Guyver.

Well I meant normal as in normal looking as opposed to the pyramid shaped control medals of the Warrior Guyvers. It's rather obvious that they are superior to a normal Guyver's control medal. Hmmm... but that would mean that there is in fact another Solom type Warrior unit G-1 lying around that is in fact completed. I'm also curiopus on how it's Solom's Warrior unit since it's been stated that a few times now that it's the product of other projects put together.

Well Bio Titans can only withstand a Guyver's mega smash and deal the same amout whereas WG2 can do quite a bit more. That's in terms of firepower. Anyway, WG2 mostly engaging Bio Titans at long range away.

I don't know if it was started on Alkanphel's unit because surely Natasha would have discovered it and fixed it somewhat. I even believe she said something like it didn't have the feature. I think in fact that Solom started on the G-2 unit because of that unkillable feature. Sure. I'm interested in what you got.

Yeah. But they didn't have enough time to upload all of the software for all XBox games. So you would have to get hooked up to the internet, and download the software (if it doesn't have it) to play a certain game. But you only have to do this once.

Maybe in the beginning of the fic it was. But keep in mind that Warrior Alkanpehl's unit is the first with the tri-processor design, whereas Battle, Psi, and Shadow Guyvers all have normal control medals. Finishing off what I was saying was the Warrior unit G-3 was probably a unfinished prototype for the WG2 unit ans was left unfinished in afavor of creating the Gravity Shield to defeat Black Nova. Probably after the defeat of Black Nova, then Solom created the WG2 unit, what he originally wanted in the first place. But apparently the Warrior unit G-5 was not a mere prototype but the first of it's own class, because in 7 Days of Hell, WGV got a WG G-5 unit as well. Which means in WG2 universe, there are two versions of the Warrior unit. I think the Warrior unit G-2 was also completed, possibly the first successful merging of all the technologies except at a lower powerlevel like 75% that of Warrior Guyver. The unit probably just has all of the Warrior Guyver's basic powers with the exception of maybe the Gravity Shield and possibly the teleportation. Though that suggests that the unkillable factor in the WG units may have had a prototype as well...

To an extent even one of the lesser Guyvers has been left out in favor of more powerful Guyvers, but even he has more 'page time' then Sho or Sean. That would be WG2. But it's interesting in how he's portrayed as this awesome Bio Titan killer.

I think it's interesting. It also gives you some leeway when it comes to stuff like that, for instance who knows what Takaya has in mind for Sho. Maybe he dies in the end defeating Chronos once and for all...

I'm justing trying to figure out the Warrior Guyver prototypes. We got: Guyver Supreme, Hpa'Var type Battle Unit G-1 Psi Guyver, Hpa'Var type Battle unit G-1 Battle Guyver, Solom type Battle Unit G-2 Stealth Guyver, Hpa'Edem type Stealth unit G-3 Warrior Prototypes: Warrior Alkanphel, Solom type Warrior unit G-1 Unknown, Solom type Warrior unit G-2 Unknown, Solom type Warrior unit G-3 Life Force Guyver, Solom type Warrior unit G-4 Warrior Guyver, Solom type Warrior unit G-5 *Warrior Guyver 2, Solom type Warrior unit G-6 Now, we got Hpa'Var and Hpa'Edem using their technology from their projects to combined into the Warrior Project. Now Hpa'Edem uses a HSL which suggests that Solom helped out with that project, because wasn't he the one that first invented the HSL system? I'm thinking the Turbo Guyver was either a prototype for the WG2 unit, but that doesn't make sense since the CPM's a little more complicated than the Turbo unit I think. Now the Warrior unit G-2 was probably the first successful prototype, and the G-3 was probably... to be continued, I gotta go home.

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In a middle of fight, you hardly will ever feel pain unless it breaks your concentration. I know from experience after a fight, that I had gashes from the fight but didn't realize it until after the fight was over, and then I didn't know until I found myself bleeding.

Possibly or he could be a new character for Chronicles. Yeah she was infected by Crystallite but would think since Dreadnought was able to neutralize the infection, she would to even though she recieved it before she was merged with the Matrix. For all we know she would be mutant Warrior Matrix Crystallite being with 40x to 60x power level.

Well in that case, Guyver 1 was in self defense mode and fully utilized the Guyver's abilities since without a mind, the Guyver wouldn't be restrained. Agito is less restrained than Sho is, but he's still only human and does have his own limits because he's still basing himself off his own limits. Humans can achieve so much more because we can push oursevles beyond what we can physically achieve. For instance there's the difference between a guy who will run until he's tired and stop, then you got the guy who will push himself even though he's tired and out of breath to go as far as he needs. Myself as an example. On a normal PT Day (Physical Training for the Navy) I will only push myself so that I won't catch hell. But on PRT (Physical Readiness Test) I push myself beyond what I normally achieve on PT days so the fastest run I can achieve, the better my evals. So I normally run the 1.5 mile on a PT Day is 10 minutes and on PRT days I run a 1.5 mile slightly over 8 minutes. Hell, if I beat my CO, I get a full week off for free. But he runs it in 6 minutes....

I agree. I forgot about the poll we did a year ago on what WG.com would do after 7 days fic, and that would have involved the Creators and the Grakkens. As for Natasha (I believe that's her name) she would be as powerful as MWG but since she's already incredibly smart she probably would use the Matrix to it's full advantage as a tool, not a weapon. However, she had a piece of the Matrix, we don't know if the Matrix can regenerate that sort of damage. I mean Warrior Guyver's Matrix was only a damaged one, not a bunch of pieces.

Well, Sailors always get in barfights just like a particular sailor on this board. I believe in Thailand is where you can go to kickboxing matches and even volunteer yourself to go up there. I know a few stories where Marines with their thick headedness go up there and beat the crap out of themselves.

I say keep Crimson, just for the hell of it. Besides isn't he just a 4x character anyway? I mean he's a combination of a Grakken unit and a Hyper Aceaer unit mutated together.

Warrior Guyver Vamore matched physical strength with Guardian. So either he's 6x or 10x. She wasn't using Bio Doubler until later. But WGV's bio smasher/lasers easily exceeded her Bio Doubler enhanced mega smashers.