Guyver host Immune to disease?

[Guest snow]

I was wondering. Sho got sick after he equiped the Guyver. But it seems after that he must have a huge immunity to anything now. Doesn't the Guyver keep its host in tip top condition? Also if the Guyver can regenerate its host from a single cell,does that mean the host no longer ages as long as its equiped with a unit. The Guyver units had to be billions of years old if they were taken from the relic and the host dies immediatley if the Guyver Remover....removes the unit from the host. So if the Guyver Unit is a bio-mech weapon that is ageless but not all power ful and equiped to a host. Do they share that? I mean Guyver and host as one being?

[RazorLaser]

If the host has a scar (and presumably disease) before they first equipped the unit, it does not 'fix' it. Only if they 'acquire' scars/diseases after the unit was first equipped will the Guyver 'reset' the host back to normal.

 

I don't think the host ages while the Guyver is equipped either.

 

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think there's much evidence for either theory.

[oogeej]

I wonder if they would recover severe injuries while they were out of the armor.

[*V Guyver]

They do, sho got impaled and the unit healed him up just fine. 

I think the Guyver can cure viral diseases prior to being equipped since viruses are not part of human DNA. The Guyver unit would consider them invasive and destroy them. On the other hand, genetic based illnesses from age are likely not cured as the Guyver doesn't fix what DNA is damaged from the first fusion. 

I don't think the host stops aging, but if the host is killed or equips the guyver, they may return to their original body from they first fused. 

[oogeej]

They do, sho got impaled and the unit healed him up just fine. 

I think the Guyver can cure viral diseases prior to being equipped since viruses are not part of human DNA. The Guyver unit would consider them invasive and destroy them. On the other hand, genetic based illnesses from age are likely not cured as the Guyver doesn't fix what DNA is damaged from the first fusion. 

I don't think the host stops aging, but if the host is killed or equips the guyver, they may return to their original body from they first fused. 

Which chapter did this happen in?

[Larz Zahn]

Sho got impaled when Aptom kidnapped Mizuki on the cave.

I think that the benefits of a Guyver will only apply when the armor is activated.

So if the armor isn't activated fir years and years, then the host would be years and years older.

But If the host uses the armor constantly, then the cells will be aged at slower rate due to the Guyvers healing factor. But only proportional to the time the armor is actually activated.

That's what i think anyhow.

Edited March 11, 2014 by Larz Zahn

[Guest snow]

That's kind of the idea I got from watching the 2005 anime. I dragged it out last night and have been watching it today. I was under the impression as long as Sho's body is bonded with the unit. He's pretty much always bonded because he's got the growths on his back shoulders. So even if the armor is not equipped....part of it resides in his body. He said in the narrative in the anime that he felt it inside his body while it was bonding with him. So why would the unit cause all the pain and suffering if it was just a piece of armor? It caused all that pain because it was making room in Sho's body, it was altering his DNA/RNA signatures and changing everything, which was why he was unconscious after the armor had dried and hardened on his body and went in defense mode when it spotted a Zoanoid it deemed as a threat to "Protect its host who wasn't able to make a decision at the moment". So even though the armor is not equipped, part of it has to reside in his body because its parasitic and in order for him to summon the rest of it. That's why I was thinking he doesn't age as long as his body is bonded with it. Bonded as in he's got an internal part and an external part of it. So if the external part is off, all of a sudden he starts to age? Well...I don't agree. The Guyver is referred to as a Symbiosis...friendly parasite that protects its host. So why would the Guyver unit allow its host to age and die or get sick and die so it has to wait for someone else to come along? Theres just a lot in question about the host in general. Why were the creators so quick to hand Arkenphel the remover to remove it off of Guyver 0's host? If the Creators knew the host would age,get sick and die,than they wouldn't have bothered. ......... And Tetsu ( Sho's best friend) was looking at them. Plus Sho got sick while the unit was bonding to his body. The growths on his back which are on and in his body grew bigger. So its in his body is the point I trying to show . Even the scientist told Lisker that his immune system and other functions may not have bonded with (The Unit) when it frizzed on him from the control metal being dented. I mean,if a Scientist scraped a piece of the units cells and did some blood work on Sho. The units cells would be present. So why should the armor be present for Sho not to age? He's practically changed by it already. I think he won't age. He's now "PART" of a bio mech weapon that isn't affected by time. So if I were a bio-mech weapon and my armor and work parts altered the host, I'd say the host is now part of me. So why would I wan't my host to be subject to the limits of a normal humanoid? I think the Guyvers are more if not like the Zoalords. The Zoalords are ageless and live for centuries. Look at Balcus and Alkenphel...they haven't aged. I'm just pointing that out to everyone. I don't think Sho is going to age or get sick at all while his body is bonded with the unit. I think the internal part of the unit that is a part of Sho's anatomy won't allow him to die under what we call a natural death. The guyver unit is an advanced Bio-Mech weapon. We can't just think that its just a powerful weapon. It also seems to medicate its host too as a defense, I see it as a side affect, not just armor but its a living bio mechanical organism. You can't all possibly think the unit is just a suit? I think we're underestimating it. I think theres more to the Unit than it just being an alien suit that he summons from Guyver space. In that case he'd be like Tony Stark. Tony Stark's suit doesn't heal him or keep him from getting sick. In fact I think Sho became the Guyver unit. It assimilated his body to it. Sho became the Guyver. Not the other way around. His body belongs to the unit. His body needs the unit now to live. If the remover removes Sho's unit, he'd die. The unit has become an important organ in Sho's body, without it he'd die fast. In fact I think he is the Guyver and I think he isn't that much human anymore. He looks human, acts human. But he's the unit itself now. It froze his DNA to where nothing else will change. If he dies, he'll just come back the way he was when it assimilated him, he won't age anymore because he will stay the age when it assimilated him. He is by all means, the Guyver unit. That's what I've come to believe. The Unit made Sho apart of itself.

Edited March 11, 2014 by Jupiter-Prime

[oogeej]

That's kind of the idea I got from watching the 2005 anime. I dragged it out last night and have been watching it today. I was under the impression as long as Sho's body is bonded with the unit. He's pretty much always bonded because he's got the growths on his back shoulders. So even if the armor is not equipped....part of it resides in his body. He said in the narrative in the anime that he felt it inside his body while it was bonding with him. So why would the unit cause all the pain and suffering if it was just a piece of armor? It caused all that pain because it was making room in Sho's body, it was altering his DNA/RNA signatures and changing everything, which was why he was unconscious after the armor had dried and hardened on his body and went in defense mode when it spotted a Zoanoid it deemed as a threat to "Protect its host who wasn't able to make a decision at the moment". So even though the armor is not equipped, part of it has to reside in his body because its parasitic and in order for him to summon the rest of it. That's why I was thinking he doesn't age as long as his body is bonded with it. Bonded as in he's got an internal part and an external part of it. So if the external part is off, all of a sudden he starts to age? Well...I don't agree. The Guyver is referred to as a Symbiosis...friendly parasite that protects its host. So why would the Guyver unit allow its host to age and die or get sick and die so it has to wait for someone else to come along? Theres just a lot in question about the host in general. Why were the creators so quick to hand Arkenphel the remover to remove it off of Guyver 0's host? If the Creators knew the host would age,get sick and die,than they wouldn't have bothered. ......... And Tetsu ( Sho's best friend) was looking at them. Plus Sho got sick while the unit was bonding to his body. The growths on his back which are on and in his body grew bigger. So its in his body is the point I trying to show . Even the scientist told Lisker that his immune system and other functions may not have bonded with (The Unit) when it frizzed on him from the control metal being dented. I mean,if a Scientist scraped a piece of the units cells and did some blood work on Sho. The units cells would be present. So why should the armor be present for Sho not to age? He's practically changed by it already. I think he won't age. He's now "PART" of a bio mech weapon that isn't affected by time. So if I were a bio-mech weapon and my armor and work parts altered the host, I'd say the host is now part of me. So why would I wan't my host to be subject to the limits of a normal humanoid? I think the Guyvers are more if not like the Zoalords. The Zoalords are ageless and live for centuries. Look at Balcus and Alkenphel...they haven't aged. I'm just pointing that out to everyone. I don't think Sho is going to age or get sick at all while his body is bonded with the unit. I think the internal part of the unit that is a part of Sho's anatomy won't allow him to die under what we call a natural death. The guyver unit is an advanced Bio-Mech weapon. We can't just think that its just a powerful weapon. It also seems to medicate its host too as a defense, I see it as a side affect, not just armor but its a living bio mechanical organism. You can't all possibly think the unit is just a suit? I think we're underestimating it. I think theres more to the Unit than it just being an alien suit that he summons from Guyver space. In that case he'd be like Tony Stark. Tony Stark's suit doesn't heal him or keep him from getting sick. In fact I think Sho became the Guyver unit. It assimilated his body to it. Sho became the Guyver. Not the other way around. His body belongs to the unit. His body needs the unit now to live. If the remover removes Sho's unit, he'd die. The unit has become an important organ in Sho's body, without it he'd die fast. In fact I think he is the Guyver and I think he isn't that much human anymore. He looks human, acts human. But he's the unit itself now. It froze his DNA to where nothing else will change. If he dies, he'll just come back the way he was when it assimilated him, he won't age anymore because he will stay the age when it assimilated him. He is by all means, the Guyver unit. That's what I've come to believe. The Unit made Sho apart of itself.

I have only one problem with this post, paragraphing.

[Guest snow]

oops, I'll paragraph more. sorry. Why I've come to believe Sho is the now the unit itself is. When the first Enzyme killed him and he regenerated from the control metal. You figured he would have had no memories at all. Considering he had a fresh new brain. I think the control metal acts as a more advanced brain itself. So any memories Sho will have, the control metal will too. Even without the suit on. The unit remembers what Sho doesn't. Which was everything during the fight with Enzyme. So once Sho's body was gone. So was his current brain and mind. But his mind is somehow in the control metal. Hence....he is the unit.

If you noticed In the anime and the manga. They're always referring to Sho as "IT" or "Guyver" or referring to them as Guyver 1 or Guyver 3. I don't think Sho is entirely Sho in the sense of humanity. They don't even refer to anyone with a unit equipped as a humanoid nor can they optimize them. I think because the Guyvers aren't in the same class as human or Zoanoid. I think they're neither human anymore.

Edited March 12, 2014 by Jupiter-Prime

[*V Guyver]

Guyver's are human. It's when the armor equipped that things change. Even Barcas on a few occasions has pointed out that the Guyver's flaws can be exploited because the host his human. Since he can still get tired, and still has the same vital organs. Precisely why Barcas chose to attack his brain to stop him.

When the guyver is unequipped, the body is normal, no enhancements not powers. Just the growths to help summon the Guyver. When the Guyver is equipped, the human machine enhanced and reinforced. Muscles for example, can now lift tons, the bones can take impacts of great pressure, the human healing factor is hastened.... just to name a few. 

What I'm curious is about what happens to the host when he's killed while the suit is unequipped. Does the human simply die, the Unit lost. Or do those organisms on the back of the host send an emergency signal to the unit and force the host to equip even when dead? Even if that happens, what if the host is vaporized before that can happen?

 

[Guest snow]

To answer your question.. wouldn't the unit just duplicate  the host in Guyver Space like it did  when Sho's control metal was absorbed into the gigantic cocoon, it duplicated it and it traveled through Guyver Space after the control metal with Sho's consciousness somehow heard Mizuki's cries for help while Neo-ZX Tole was trying to murder Her, Guyver 3, Shizu, Aptom, Tetsuro, and that old guy.  If Sho died without it equipped. I'm sure the unit would sense his passing and duplicate a brand new body for Sho. Thats just going off the anime though.

[Larz Zahn]

Here's what I'm thinking...

I don't like to say anyone is wrong in what they believe in Guyver, cause until takaya gives a direct answer or solution, then who is to say who is right or wrong?

Something i do want to bring to attention is the possibilities or reasons of a human still being a Guyver without the armor equipped, would not the host still have the abilities of the armor? After all, the changes made to the DNA would still exist so the host would have all the abilities in either form, not just healing (which would allow the slow aging process).

The problem i have with this is that no host has shown evidence of any powers outside the armor.

Granted, Sho is s bad example. I can only think if two times he's been hurt as a human since becoming the Guyver. The first is when the car he was sleeping in blew up, the second was when Aptom impaled him in the abdomen. Each time he turned into the Guyver, so we were never able to wait and see if he healed fast.

Agito on the other hand has been injured. When Gaster destroyed G3's megasmasher, it severely hurt him. He stayed in his armor a long time until the damage was practically healed. Even when they were all out of danger he was still in his armor.

After the injury was healed to only a bruise, (2005) he had that bruise for a long time because he never used the armor till he needed it.

If he had the healing factor, couldn't he disengage the armor and still heal at an accelerated rate?

I'd like to address the idea that Sho is in fact, a Guyver.

This is a little tricky so let me know what everyone thinks about it.

We seen a human Guyver. It was the Sho clone.

This is what makes me think Sho is human. The Guyver may of fused to Sho when he first activated the Guyver unit, but i still think there was a separation of human and alien. Sho has the bumps onhis back, this may of been what the fusing was doing, it "tagged" Sho as its host, put the transmitters on his back and uploaded his form to its memory.

If Sho truly became a Guyver,.then wouldn't he morph much like his clone did? Instead he calls the Guyver from a different dimension. Only when he calls the Guyver does his body undergo any changes.

As for the remover, it isn't a weapon afterall. Its a fancy can opener that allows the creators to take off the Guyver armors at will. I They wouldn't design something that would harm themselves.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but i thought Alky killed G0.s host after he removered his armor.

Sorry for the massive amount of text! lol. I don't usually say this much.

Edited March 13, 2014 by Larz Zahn

[Guest snow]

Yeah, I agree. I guess I'm just wanting Sho and the Guyvers in general to be more than what they are. I guess I'm over reaching.

[Larz Zahn]

It depends i guess. There is a large fanbase that shares your point of view. More specifically, the no aging aspect. We just haven't seen a whole lot of the human side in fights to get a real good idea on the actual capabilities of the bonding.

Edited March 13, 2014 by Larz Zahn

[Guest snow]

Maybe someday, Yoshiki will be in the mood to add it into his story. that's the cool thing about being an author. You can keep your fans on their toes and keep them guessing. Something I think he likes to do.

[*YoungGuyver]

The Zoacrystal helps keep the Zoalords young.  without his crystal, lord Caerleon aged quickly and died.

 

The VDF explains that the units can last so long because the metallic shell of the unit-g keeps it in a 'frozen time field', or stasis field.

 

Guyver 0 was going around blasting creator relics with his megasmasher.  Not exactly a fun thing to keep around.  Especially when a Guyver can pilot a relic and come after you across the cosmos.  Guyver 0 had to die as far as the Uranos continuum was concerned.

 

The description of Sho getting sick upon first bonding matches that of infection.  Every incarnation of Guyver describes a different aspect of infection.  The initial fever as the host immune system tries to fight off the foreign contaminant, the initial swelling, and thickening of tissue around the contaminate in an attempt to isolate it from the body when the immune system failed to destroy it.  The description of the unit-remover says it simply removes host data from the control metal, no mention is made of having to rewrite the hosts genetic code back to normal.  It seems changes to the host body, such as muscle and bone mass, are only made when boosted.

 

Oh, and the dimension that the Guyver links to has been called the 'Boost dimension'.  The literal word for word translation is strongly increase different space.

[Zybex]

I've thought of the same thing as regards to immunity and immortality. I was under the assumption that the reason Arkanphel wanted the unit himself was to alleviate his own sickness and to seek out the Creators. However, I suppose he could achieve this with the armour always active- I don't think there has been a reason suggested that the host cannot equip the armour indefinitely? Since the Guyver draws energy from the other dimension I don't think it would be necessary for the host to need to eat periodically.

 

I was also under the assumption that the Creators were able to shape life on earth for billions of years because of an extended life span. Of course, whether this is because of the Guyver or because they are naturally long lived, or even immortal, cannot be proved. Or maybe they did it over generations of their own species. It could be suggested than human beings were created with limited lifespans due to their disposal weapon status and can't be compared to the Creators in that respect.

 

I actually think the biggest source of confusion for this and the other questions regarding Sho's humanity is because of how vague the descriptions of the Guyver are. It's bothered me for years to hear it sometimes implied to be an external armour source. Thanks to this site though, there's a Data Files book which explains it a little better. The Guyver strength is tied to new bulbous organs it creates (shoulders, arms, legs etc) that are connected to the gravity orb. It's a gravity enforced strength which is why the Guyver can still have such a compact body, and why Sho would no longer be strong without the armour. You guys should check out these pages, not least of all cuz they're really neat;

 

http://www.japan-legend.com/guyver_advocacy/mangas/Visual%20data%20files/00%20-%20visual%20data%20files%20book/vdf-007.jpg

 

http://www.japan-legend.com/guyver_advocacy/mangas/Visual%20data%20files/00%20-%20visual%20data%20files%20book/vdf-026.jpg

 

It seems the biggest advantage over processing for a Guyvers host is that the transformation doesn't affect the original body so severely. I remember it being mentioned somewhere that processing into a zoanoid can affect levels of aggression and it does seem to affect the subject in physical ways, changing their entire DNA pointed ears, Derzerbs head bump, eye colour etc.

 

None of this helps really with how the host body is affected without the armour equipped : \ Though I did always feel that Sho irrevocably tied to the control medal. When enzyme pulls it from his head in the original series we get a brief flash of an xray image. I always took that to mean that 'Sho' was detached from the Guyver and was now part of the Control Medal. What was left still alive was the Bio Booster creature, unchecked by the Control Medal. That it is, the hosts essence or  'spirit' is tied to the medal so just growing a new body would have all of that information, memories, scars reapplied. So while his body is a clone, he himself, kind of isn't? Does that make sense?

 

If I have to ask, maybe it doesn't!