Star Wars Rebels!

[Larz Zahn]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=107113

Ok then. So the people who made the clone wars have been working on this, an animated series set in between ep 3 and 4. The article has more details.

Now my views....

(clears throat)

What many may or may not know is, I'm extremely critical on all things star wars. I can't stand the prequels much less the clone wars by any reasoning.

Yes. The cartoon series was good, even great at times, but it wasn't what the clone wars was suppose to of been.

That said in totally excited by this announcement, tho i am also.... Leery...

Since the star wars clone wars series is official this series will be basing stories from the show. Not looking forward to that.

Another worry is they might reference the force unleashed game...

Great game, but so not canon.

Even so... Still geeking out about this. Very happy. Vary very happy.

Edited July 27, 2013 by Larz Zahn

[Mirabilis]

 I too am exceptionally critical about Star Wars. I despised the Clone Wars cartoon, and the whole idea of Anakin having an apprentice? Seriously? *sighs* what were they thinking? There was no mention of her ever in the films so why even create it? The cartoon damaged the story in many ways.

 Having said that-I did like the concept of the Clone Wars and the whole stalemate of the battles. Droid armies vs Clone troopers, matched in every way. The Droids led by Sith Lords and the Clones by Jedi Masters. I thought it was pretty awesome. They had a really good concept but took it in the wrong direction. regrettably I also liked how General Grievous was a foreshadow of Darth Vader.

 The problem with the prequels was the fact that it was downgraded for kids, and it wasn't as serious as the original which was pretty dark, and about a young boy overcoming the powers of an Empire. Had they of kept that sort of vibe of an even younger boy, who was destined to do great things, but led astray by the powers of Evil I think it would of been much more successful.

 Episode One, of course was terrible, but it did have one of the coolest lightsaber duels. The plot itself really made no sense, but I really liked how the introduced Kenobi, I thought he looked pretty cool as an apprentice. In short Episode one was really a rerun of Episode 6.The  Viceroy are in a massive Droid Carrier Battle Ship and the Emperor was in the Death Star. Both stations are destroyed as a result of a space battle. The Gungans fight the massive Droid army drawing them away from the City and the Ewoks fight the Clone Troopers drawing them away from the Shield Generator. Both primitive armies overcome the advanced armies. and of course both films have climatic Lightsaber fights. I wonder if it would of been any better if they had started Episode One already in the Clone Wars sort of how Episode 4 was already involved with the Rebellion against the Empire. There wasn't just one or two mistakes there were many problems that happened.

 Now am I happy about this cartoon thing? Heck no, I didn't like the cartoon of the clone wars either. If anything I think if they wanted to do a series they should of gone with a live action television series, I think that would of been much better.

Edited August 7, 2013 by Mirabilis

[Larz Zahn]

There was talk about abc having a live action series based on bounty Hunters. That possibly is still live because Disney owns abc. Plus there is still a few, faint rumors of the show still happening.

Prequels and clone wars.... Should i make another thread out would it be ok that i rant like a lunatic in this one?

I kinda wanna keep on topic and technically talking about the ups and downs is relatively on point.... Its just that...

Well... I can go on about the flaws in all the prequels that affected how the clone wars turned out ...

Edited August 7, 2013 by Larz Zahn

[Larz Zahn]

I'll stick with the clone wars cartoon topic for now.

OK... Anakin having an apprentice. Ur right mirabilis... Completely wrong. But I'm patient and can give people benefit of the doubt. Plus its fur kids, designed to appeal to kids so again, i can over look it.

Annoying but not that big a deal. plus she is a unresolved issue. The series ended with her still alive.

Biggest problem was the reason behind the war. It was a joke. They turned the clone wars into a failed Rebellion. a evil failed rebellion. This is one of the biggest hurts for me. The Rebellion is my favorite period. Its the reason I'm so looking forward to this cartoon series.

The clone wars series had a lot of issues i disagreed with but i still could enjoy moments when they got it right.

By the way, their core fundamental concept of the clone wars is flawed. Wasnt the original clone war idea.

Edited August 7, 2013 by Larz Zahn

[Mirabilis]

 Oh really? I must say I am a bit nervous after hearing that. I don't really trust Disney with things like this. They have a tendency to screw stuff up. Yeah, the whole we're fighting for freedom was pretty stupid, and it just didn't make sense. George was rushed and just wanted to make some cash off of the name sadly.

 I just hated the whole thing, like every episode the Jedi's won etc. It's too bad the movie version of General Grievous wasn't as awesome as he was in the Clone Wars mini series. That would of been awesome to see him take on five Jedi's at once! I just didn't like (as I said the good guys always winning, it's biased and if you know they're gonna win why watch it?). Yeah it was for kids, but I am a very, exceptionally harsh critic, even if it's meant for kids I don't think that's a green light to mess with the canon material.

 Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the original idea for the clone wars supposed to be a clone army fighting another clone army?
 

[Larz Zahn]

The clone wars happened in the time of the empire. the clone masters invaded the galaxy kinda like the vong have.

There is no real source book to back this. This is info gleamed from the novels and movies from before episode one.. Heck. The clone masters weren't even Kamino. They were called Spaarti.

There has been references that said that older officers in the empire fought against the clones. And first gen clones were prone to going crazy. all this came from the same book that first introduced Coruscant.

Gotta go to work, I'll finish when i go on break.

Edited August 8, 2013 by Larz Zahn

[Larz Zahn]

I got a few minutes.

Timothy Zahn was the author who wrote the Thrawn trilogy.

He was also the one who first came up with the planet coruscant. So it irks me that Lucas would use some information while ignoring equally important information in that same trilogy.

It was also stated that the clone wars was in effect 48 years prior. Which would of been 43 years before episode 4. So he ignored that as well and said that the clone wars ended 20 years(episode 3) before episode 4.

The prequel trilogy changed the existing timeline.

And as for the Droids vs clones? Its laughable!

This war was suppose to be terrible. Felt across the galaxy. But the only real casualties were mass produced drones. No real collateral damage. No serious aftermath except the wallets of both sides...

Ok breaks over gotta go.

Edited August 8, 2013 by Larz Zahn

[*V Guyver]

Well one version had the Idea that the Mandalorians were behind the clone wars, they were not just the template for clones, but the instigators along with the sith, but mostly got wiped out in that war. There have been many versions, and Zahn is a personal favorite of mine, but the expanded universe has been retconned a few times in it's own. The one novel to come out as a side story had a Triclops offspring of the Emperor... Ugh. 

No, this is all typical of expanded universes. Look at the resident Evil Novels, they are never taken in. Star Wars only took liberties in allowing a loose fan devoted continuity because it can keep generating money.  

[Larz Zahn]

This is true but most of those inconsistencies happened after the prequels. The impression that i got was that there were no one template. The clone masters would take a fallen enemy who fought well and cloned lots if them. Rinse wash repeat. Another reason the clone wars were so terrifying. The empire had to fight twisted versions of their friends.

Hey! That kinda sounds like mass effect 3 and oblivion!

Ugh.... I can't remember were that part came from. Most of my info comes from the novels before ep 1. The rest comes from the source books.

Edited August 12, 2013 by Larz Zahn

[Mirabilis]

 Interesting I never knew about that. Sounds like the original Clone Wars was more then an armed conflict, but also psychological warfare as well. Sounds pretty devastating to me. Interesting enough I find the Droid Army very similar to the Tao from Warhammer 40 k. I know a bit off topic but as I send earlier one of the reasons why I enjoyed the concept of the Clone Wars we got, was because it was a new world of ideas that could be expanded on. Battle Droids, Droid fighter ships that didn't require a pilot. They were very much like the clones in every way simply droids instead of flesh. Crazy firepower, and all kinds of new things that could be introduced. And like I mentioned earlier, General Grievous is one of my favorite characters, I really liked how he was the Droid Armies version of Darth Vader.

 I dunno, as I said I really liked the concept of the droids against the clones but it just wasn't given enough time to expand on in the films. It was a very quick done and over with plot line in the films, and I resented that. I wanted to see some really major battles take place, not just a  minute cut scene. However, hearing the original plot lines and concept of the Clone Wars, I can't help but feel like a great idea was wasted and we have missed out on something that could have been pretty cool.

[Larz Zahn]

Well like i said before, that story line was only hinted at and no official reference existed. and like v Guyver had also mentioned. These concepts are just a few of many. There is no telling how many different versions there were before the clone wars cartoon series came out.

Another reason I'm a pre prequel fan. There was a lot more continuity.

Ah yes the Droids. Episode 2 made me laugh. Dooku was lobbying the separatists leadership for making more Droids.

The reason? They need a lot more fight Jedi. But watch the fight scene. The Droids they had ON HAND, as in they didn't need more, was killing the Jedi pretty good. In fact, if the clones didn't show up the Droids would of killed all the Jedi there

Just saying

I would like the Droid army more if the director, script writer, heck if Lucas didn't make then so stupid. They didn't need to be the comic relief.

Edited August 13, 2013 by Larz Zahn

[Mirabilis]

Yeah that's what I thought too. My least favorite of the films is Episode 2. It seemed to be entirely pointless except for starting the conflict. Also why I liked Episode 3 much more, was because Lucas finally gave the battle droids personalities and not just robotic responses to commands. I think if he had let someone else directed them they would of obviously been much better, and how episode 3 was (as far as acting, and the droids go) is how the first two should of been as well.

I've also wondered, if the prequels would of been more liked, or at least better as far as canon goes, if he had started the Clone Wars, at the end of episode I and finished it at the end of Episode III. Of course there would of needed to be some changes, but I think it would of given much more time to do things, and a lot of the b.s. would of been pulled out. Would of been a long and bloody war with the Clone Wars starting with Obi still a padawan and Ani only 9. Heck going that route he could have had Ani's knighting in Episode II, or introduced Grievous at the battle of Hypori I think if he had done that things would of been much better.

Edited August 13, 2013 by Mirabilis

[Larz Zahn]

I'm not actually a fan of all Droids and any clones having personalities.

The Battle Droids talk back and kinda question orders, and the clones just suddenly develop personalities and want individualism? Kinda works toward the opposite of how they turnout in episode 3 our even the stormtroopers to which they "eventually become". Hate that part to.

Droids only develop personalities if they don't get a routine memory wipe. The longer the memory the more the personality.

Edited August 13, 2013 by Larz Zahn

[*YoungGuyver]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRUMt9-Oig0

Skip to 8:52.  The comparison to Citizen Kane is just incredible.

Skip to 12:38 to see the cinematography and editing style.  He's right, it's incredibly sloppy

[Larz Zahn]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=109888

Here is the short teaser for star wars teaser. And i do mean short.

[Larz Zahn]

I'm totally psyched now.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/nycomicconnews.php?id=110145

Ok so it's been confirmed that the show takes place 14 years after ep 3

It takes place on a planet called lothal (i think i spelled it right)

And hers the best parts.

1. The villain is an inquisitor.

2. No clones! Empire is "recruiting" storm troopers from the populace.

3. Suppose to have classic ship designs.

4. Lots of influence from the original trilogy.

Only problem i have (so small it's insignificant) it's that the inquisitor has a lightsaber. Far as i know they were force sensitive but not sure about the lightsabers.

Still very happy!!