Guyver manga observations - chapters 13-20 (volume 3)

[Aether]

i apologise for not keeping to the same format as before but its too time consuming!! so instead i'll give an plotpoints of the volume and any other points i think need 'pointing' out!

plot points:

inside mount minakami aka Relics Point Reichmann Gyro??? aka Richard Guyot is still alive and reveals Agito is part of Cronos to his hostages.

Agito reveals he is Guyver 3

Hyper Zoanoid team 5 in the hizouse!

Yohei and Shizu are introduced

the guyver group and Dr Valcus \ Dr Balcus / Dr.Barcas is surprised by Murakami's first appearance as a (proto) Zoalord.

Sho vs. Fumio aka Guyver vs Enzyme 2

observations:

more silly translation in chuang yi's version - 'concoction tank' just sounds wrong next to 'processing tank'

when Agito declares he is ''Zeus'' the original panel is in the viz version, the redraw is more shaded and Agito looks posessed. i was reminded here that essentially the reason Agito embarked on his quest was the revenge for the death of his parents - which i guess could screw a kid up no wonder he's so determined.

(i have been watching the TV series and i think they did a great job with this scene (ep 12?) as it was adapted really well and gave the situation more depth / conveyed Agito's feelings - or so i felt)

questions:

is 'Showa' the district where mnt. minakami is?

does it actually exist?

why is Takeshiro city called 'N town' in chuang Yi's? is it that in the nippon version im not sure that it is, if not then i can only say WTF?

Edited November 29, 2012 by Aether

[daveblackeye152]

No. Showa is a time period, the reign of a certain Emperor. I learned about this because I'm a huge Godzilla fan. Showa Godzilla films covered from 1954-1984. Heisei was the next emperor so movies made during that time, plus Godzilla 1984 being a reboot, are the Heisei time line.

In other words it is kind of vague and is kinda like in 1928-1989 roughly I think.

[*Jess♥]

I believe showa is the reign of emperor hirohito.

the emperor of Japan through world war 2 and up to the year indicated by Dave.

the thing about N city, it was made to be vague as it is not a real place.

it is based on a real place though. Nagano.

there is a mountain very much like minakami there, you can find it on google earth.

but it doesn't appear to be as large as mount minakami.

so it is N town, N prefecture.

is takeshiro in the manga? I don't recall. I think takeshiro could have been a name given to the village just for the 12 part OVA.

[daveblackeye152]

I'm pretty sure the 'haunted village' was nameless in the manga. I always had the impression that Takaya was going to have Guyvers and Team Five class more often when he changed his mind and had them conflict with Aptom more. Has he ever said if he planned on Aptom being such a big player from the start? Believe it or not I got a huge sense of closure concerning Thancrus when back when Chaung Yi published book 10 Zextole says 'I'll avenge Thancrus as well!' to Agito since I got the impression he was forgotten. Oh and at long last it has been confirmed Aptom has high frequency blades too. I remember Ryuki and I debated whether Evil Aptom Frequency Spear could be harnessed into swords or not, thanks book 29.

Anyway that last thought came from being sad Aptom didn't have swords from Thancrus though considering all the guys he lost too after X-day I guess they wouldn't have helped much. There is one little mistake that kind of bothers me: when Guyver I cut off Enzyme's arm his own arm wasn't wounded and it is established in the fourth book that Enzyme II's also have the corrosion agent in their blood as seen when Agito punches one in the gut.

Boy oh boy Shizu started off creepy, certainly a 180 from the lovely Shizu we saw a few chapters ago.

[*Jess♥]

There is one little mistake that kind of bothers me: when Guyver I cut off Enzyme's arm his own arm wasn't wounded and it is established in the fourth book that Enzyme II's also have the corrosion agent in their blood as seen when Agito punches one in the gut.

if we check the diagram of enzyme II where it shows a cross section of them, doesn't it show the enzyme generating/storage organ in the area where guyver III punched that enzyme?

[*YoungGuyver]

if the Enzyme is in the blood, why would the location of the organ matter when cutting off arms?

[daveblackeye152]

Also kind of wish Thancrus got to cut something proper I mean he grazed Sho a bit and he cut some trees but that's it. At least in the anime, his two minute appearance gave Sho a nasty cut on his stomach.

[*Jess♥]

if the Enzyme is in the blood, why would the location of the organ matter when cutting off arms?

That's kinda the point I was making.

Dave said that panel establishes that the enzyme is in the blood but I was pointing out that it doesn't necessarily establish that the enzyme is in the blood. for consistency, it would follow that the enzyme is not in the blood, that panel shows guyver III suffering because he punched it in the 'enzyme gland'.

[daveblackeye152]

Alright I think I see where you're coming from but if the gland is in the torso it still secretes from the claws, pincers and mouth? So I'd think the blood would still have to travel from its chest/stomach through its arms and into its hands.

I know we sometimes have to take certain things from the anime with a grain of salt and sometimes they are actual expansions but Agito lost his blades in episode 11.

[*Jess♥]

yes, of course it does have to travel.

I don't believe the enzyme is in the blood. I believe it was engineered differently.

after all, barcas re-engineered it from the ground up didn't he?

what we have noticed in this case is that the enzyme does not lose potency when contacting the air. so that is different for a start.

but it seems that maybe it is not ever present, it is perhaps only secreted when it is consciously attacking. so in that respect, the enzyme gland could be like a bladder and the enzyme is pumped through channels to the mouth, claws and pincers when it needs to. at other times, the enzyme is not completely present in other parts of the body.

I realise this is crude, but it could operate like the male 'liquid evacuation' system. I honestly can't think of any other biological system to compare it to, sorry.

so if you were to slice through the 'male liquid evacuation cylinder'... you would not find a great abundance of those liquids that normally leave by that method. they are stored elsewhere.

[daveblackeye152]

Oh okay I guess I see where you're coming from.

[Aether]

how the heck did we get to the topic of ''male liquid evacuation cylinder''s ???

anyway....

No. Showa is a time period, the reign of a certain Emperor.

thanks for clearing up the Showa and Heisei era thing, dudes... now i know why that description applies to super sentai series aswell!

right so the 'N' in N city is most likely a nod to Nagano then... i suppose unless i see the Japanese raws with it on then it will still seem weird to me....

is takeshiro in the manga? I don't recall. I think takeshiro could have been a name given to the village just for the 12 part OVA.

yes the name Takeshiro is in the Manga, it appears on the sign at the beginning of chapter 34 in volume 5....(it is also the sign G1 shoots down in the TV series i think)