One Piece

[*BananaKing]

Well some of the warlords (Except Crocodile) have some form of haki. We still don't know anything about Doflamingo to say whether he has haki or not. I mean we know Hancock has haki and I think Mihawk has haki (I mean its Mihawk arguably the strongest of the group) but we haven't seen any of the other warlods using haki.

Jimbei doesn't seem to since he couldn't block Akainu's magma fist, Gecko Moria uses Doppleman as a way to block attacks, Kuma uses his speed and his extremely durable pacifista body to avoid attacks, and Blackbeard absorbs all attacks because of his devil fruit.

Remember also guys, Doflamingo blocked Crocodile's hook, the only truly solid part of his body.

If Doflamingo could use haki wouldn't it be cool if he could make nigh invisible DF wire net to surround the enemy? I really don't see him as the fighting type though; his personality and previous chances at fighting have proven he avoids direct confrontation. If Luffy and Doflamingo should ever fight, and I would love to see them do it, I think it would be a mirror of when Luffy fought Bellamy. Doflamingo could control the strawhats and have them attack Luffy in his stead, all the while belittling his dreams and boasting about his New Era. Then in one haki fueled fell swoop, Luffy smashes Doflamingo's face and shtters his shades, and the battle truly begins

How epic would that be?

[odin]

I don't think that it would be a mirror fight similar to Bellamy I just see him too bad ass for that, I would see him belittling Luffy and stuff but I would not see him controlling the entire crew specially zorro, maybe just usoop or nami since those 2 are the most dear to Luffy but aside from that i think he has not showed his true abilities at all and may have some very offensive abilities, but it is all just theory at the moment.

Btw, here is something i would like to discuss Luffy and Zorro's overall power levels, frankly i would like to say Luffy but zorro to my eyes seems of equal power to Luffy, here are some factors in which i base this:

1.Although it is clear that the trio of Sanji, Zorro and Luffy have superhuman strength Zorro seems to be the one to demonstrate this the most being capable of lifting an entire building at an opponent at will if he wanted.

2.Handicapped in most fights: something that i have noticed a lot with zorro is that he almost always goes in a fight with a handicap that limits him to go all out or fight the current arcs main villain, he is either very weak from starving like when we first saw him, fighting a DF user that counters his swordsmanship (buggy and Shuu), needs a new technique to be able to beat the opponent (mister 1) or having one of his swords stolen or what almost always happens, being heavily injured before the main fight, (arlong,hatchan, Kuma, mr.5 )

3. and probably the most important reason, His superhuman endurance in which can be demonstrated after he gives his life to save luffy he takes all of his Pain and Fatigue (being already heavily injured) and living the whole ordeal to recover in about 2 days clearly showing that he can take just as much punishment as luffy and a little more and he has no Devil fruit.

so what do you think? do you think luffy is better than zorro or that they are truly equals.

[*BananaKing]

I think Luffy's Gear system is what makes him truly stronger than Zoro and Sanji. Luffy's Gear 3rd alone can defeat a giant in a single blow! He beat 2 Shichubukai by himself, and crushed Oz's spine while the rest of the crew couldn't beat him. It was a long time ago, but back at Whisky Peak, the two fought and were pretty much equal.

If Luffy were to fight Zoro again, its debatable whether or not Zoro would be able to keep up with Luffy's Gear Second speed. We know Mihawk could, but we don't know how much both have truly improved in 2 years.

[odin]

about oz, luffy was fighting him part of the time as nightmare luffy which is basically luffy in god mode so i don't think that really counts since he had an huge advantage with that form and weakened him so he could continue in his normal gear 2 and 3 forms.

[*BananaKing]

Yeah but it still didn't do anything to oz besides give him a big cut. That was the perk of the zombies, they could continue fighting no matter how damaged they were. Luffy pummeled him in the hollow control area, and he beat up moria more than he did Oz to stop Moria's Kage Kagume ability thus ridding Oz's advantage. I mean true Luffy needed the Strawhats combined to beat Oz, but it was the Gear third Bazooka to the spine that beat Oz.

On a different note, wouldn't it be funny if Brooke knew Soru and Geppou? Imagine Brooke already fast and able to jump high having both of super speed and able to kick off the air? It would fit since he's so light

[odin]

Yeah but it still didn't do anything to oz besides give him a big cut. That was the perk of the zombies, they could continue fighting no matter how damaged they were. Luffy pummeled him in the hollow control area, and he beat up moria more than he did Oz to stop Moria's Kage Kagume ability thus ridding Oz's advantage. I mean true Luffy needed the Strawhats combined to beat Oz, but it was the Gear third Bazooka to the spine that beat Oz.

On a different note, wouldn't it be funny if Brooke knew Soru and Geppou? Imagine Brooke already fast and able to jump high having both of super speed and able to kick off the air? It would fit since he's so light

well, it would fit him very well since he can run in water so why not having those abilities too? but i doubt he may have learned those since they are CP9/Marine techniques from what we have seen so far. it would be nice tho.

[KING GHIDORAH]

Well some of the warlords (Except Crocodile) have some form of haki. We still don't know anything about Doflamingo to say whether he has haki or not. I mean we know Hancock has haki and I think Mihawk has haki (I mean its Mihawk arguably the strongest of the group) but we haven't seen any of the other warlods using haki.

Well nothing is stated but it is shown in the scan that Doflamingo has Haki (Color armament) because if he didn't he would be able to block Crocodiles hook.

Remember also guys, Doflamingo blocked Crocodile's hook, the only truly solid part of his body.

The hook is not solid, nothing on a Logias users body is ever solid including weapons, Luffy was not able to block the hook with out having his body drenched in water or blood, heck the are many instances where I can show you proof if you need it. Even Smokers sea stone tipped staff isn't solid.

If Doflamingo could use haki wouldn't it be cool if he could make nigh invisible DF wire net to surround the enemy? I really don't see him as the fighting type though; his personality and previous chances at fighting have proven he avoids direct confrontation. If Luffy and Doflamingo should ever fight, and I would love to see them do it, I think it would be a mirror of when Luffy fought Bellamy. Doflamingo could control the strawhats and have them attack Luffy in his stead, all the while belittling his dreams and boasting about his New Era. Then in one haki fueled fell swoop, Luffy smashes Doflamingo's face and shtters his shades, and the battle truly begins

How epic would that be?

Doflamingo ideology is "Strength is everything, and he He dictates everything with power,] " as stated in the Yellow Data book, Beamlly and his dream killing talk was just him, not Doflamingo's will, I think flamingo uses the Color of armament Haki and has eaten a Devil fruit.

As for Zoro vs Luffy I say they are both equal.

[*BananaKing]

Well Doflamingo thinks the era of dreams is over, its the basic principal of his new age isn't it?

Ah yes, I forgot that stipulation about Logias, so perhaps he does have some form of Haki. I do find it funny though he's too lazy to block crocodile with his arms so he blocks with his foot. It does fit the whole Flamingo part of him well though

[durendal]

I believe any other Shichibukai that the Strat Hats haven't encountered would be able to use Hakki. What fun would there be in facing enemies that are easy to defeat? Since Sentoumaru would be the obvious first opponent they will encounter, I think it is likely that they would be able to dispatch him and his bunch of pacifistas easily. Which leaves us to believe that the others are likely much more powerful. Sentoumarou, I believe, is also proficient in hakki.

[*BananaKing]

That we know, although it wasn't bluntly revealed, it was confirmed Sentamouru uses some kind of haki based attacks when he fought Luffy.

I just want to see Zoro beat Kuma already

[durendal]

Unfortunately, the Kuma that we all know no longer exists. His whole personality has been turned into a pacifista. Even his DF powers are no longer existent. So it would be a rather hollow victory for Zorro to defeat the pacifistas.

[*BananaKing]

Not true, don't you recall the battle at the summit? He used Urusus Shock on Oars Jr and used his Pad Hou on the Newkamas. He just uses his pacifista mouth laser more frequently now. I imagine if someone fought Kuma one v one, he'd teleport all over the place like he did against Zoro. I think he must have some sort of restraint system on how much he uses his DF powers now because he didn't teleport when he fought Ivankov. I think he did however teleport to Shabondy when he went to attack the Thousand Sunny. How else did he just appear there like always?

[durendal]

I can't seem to remember that. All I know is that Kuma bid his farewell when he transported the straw hats to different places. Which means he is no longer of his own mind, but rather a robotic slave to the marines.

[*BananaKing]

True that happened but when Oars Jr broke through the giants squad at Marinefold, Kuma hit him in the back with his Urusus Shock which brought Oars Jr to his knees allowing the marines to counter him.

I think the government has big plans for Kuma. They may try to use him to kill Dragon, after all he was a member of the Revolutionary Army

[odin]

now that we are talking about Kuma, what do you think that Kuma exchanged for his life to the government?, Ivankov said that Kuma Hated the Government so there must have been something important that he needed (probably for dragon) in order for him to have turned himself into the governments "ultimate weapon" my guess is maybe some important blueprints for something they need that they could use against the WG or maybe the whereabouts of said thing. and yes Full-Cyborg Kuma still possessed his devil fruit powers since his body still has human parts in him his powers would still be functional like he demonstrated in the whitebeard war, the thing is that he was more inclined to use his Cyborg weapons, Instead of Zorro vs Kuma i would prefer for Franky to face Kuma just to show who is the better cyborg.

btw, don't you think Ivakov looks like tim curry in this movie?

http://totallylookslike.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/dr-frank-n-furter-totally-looks-like-emporio-ivankov.jpg

Edited October 12, 2010 by odin

[*BananaKing]

While I can't deny Franky vs Kuma would be great, Zoro and Kuma have a history together albeit a short one. Kuma respected Zoro so much he agreed to spare Luffy in exchange for Zoro's life. Pretty odd for someone called "the Tyrant" to do don't you think?

Still I wish Kuma could resist his full cyborg state a little. I liked Kuma a lot. He may not have had a lot of personality to him, but that sliver he had was awesome.

[odin]

While I can't deny Franky vs Kuma would be great, Zoro and Kuma have a history together albeit a short one. Kuma respected Zoro so much he agreed to spare Luffy in exchange for Zoro's life. Pretty odd for someone called "the Tyrant" to do don't you think?

Still I wish Kuma could resist his full cyborg state a little. I liked Kuma a lot. He may not have had a lot of personality to him, but that sliver he had was awesome.

something tells me he still does since we still don't know what happened when he appeared again where the sunny go was, but i guess it may be that he has a little bit of his humanity that is trying to fight what ever they did to him.

[*BananaKing]

I kind of thought he was ordered to destroy the Thousand Sunny hence why Duval was beaten to hell. Every other time we saw Duval he was owning whoever was trying to take the Sunny, and then we seem him beaten severely, makes me think he managed to hold off Kuma until either Rayleigh or Shakky (Funny I know) stepped in.

[durendal]

Don't you find it funny despite the constant beatings Duval recieved, his face still stays the same? Sanji really must have done a number on his face.

[*BananaKing]

I think Duval would rather have his body blown to pieces than have anything happen to his new face

[Divine-Guyver]

Franky's new hair is awesome...

They probably won't fight with kuma,I mean kuma saved their lives(Kizaru was hunting their ass).

And send them to a (designated) place where they all could get stronger.

and become even more awesome

[odin]

haha!!, i am amassed of what franky can do now, the complete reunion is coming closer and closer, Oda sure knows how to keep us in suspense man.

[*BananaKing]

The Hair is back!

[odin]

yes indeed!!! hurray for the ace ventura hair that will never die.

[*BananaKing]

Anyone else laugh at Franky's hands? If we thought he was a giant toy before